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IvoG
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TOV Forum Rules    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-07-2002 17:43
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I was wondering where the rules for these forums are stated.
I find that lately what used to be a very usefull source of information exchange and purposefull debate has turned into one flame war fest after the other.
Where are the moderators when you need them?
I for one think that every user that steps out of the boundaries set by the rules should be banned from the forum, or better yet, be ignored. That way the enthusiasts can try and share with each other without some individuals spoiling everything for them.

My 2 cents, hope something is done with it.

RyanDL
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Re: TOV Forum Rules    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-07-2002 20:03
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IvoG -

We do not have a set of published "rules". We generally rely on people being mature enough to moderate themselves, and often times, that is the case. Read any other message board on the 'Net and I think you will see a big difference between the TOV user base and others. Sometimes "a few bad apples spoil the bunch". Generally, a few ill comments get tossed around within a thread, but generally, there is a good information base. If things get out of hand, moderators step in if they are not already participating. We do have real jobs, so can't sit here 24/7 reading each post that is made. If something slips through our fingers, it's probably that we just didn't see it and it should be brought to our attention in this forum.

If you're speaking about the debate in this forum between Tony and Spencer, well, that's basically over. And since it's the Feedback forum, as long as it doesn't get gruelingly personal, I really don't care. But, that thread will be locked soon enough anyway... It would not be allowed to continue in any other forum.

We have had instances in the past where users have been banned and/or put on probation and that usually clears things up pretty quickly. I haven't seen any instances requiring such an action lately, and I've had my eye on a few users.

Ryan

gilbert
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Re: TOV Forum Rules    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-07-2002 20:13
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From Jeff in a post a few months ago:


Allow me to explain some of our longstanding (yet unwritten) rules of the vtec.net message boards.

1. You are free to express your opinion on any topic relevant to the discussion forum.
2. You are free to praise or criticize any automobile you want, including Hondas and Acuras
3. Personal attacks/insults/flaming to the degree you have taken them in your "discussion" with Tony Esporma are absolutely NOT acceptable. Especially when there is an utter lack of topical content in the post. Obviously you are free to e-mail him and carry on your side discussion offline, but we don't want to see it on our site.
4. Feel free to disagree with whomever you like, but messages referencing (in a negative fashion) another person's economic status, level of education, job title/profession, race, religion, gender, etc... are considered irrelevant and unacceptable.

In general, if we see posts in violation of any of our policies, we will try to tone down the conversation by issuing a public warning (so other people will hopefully learn by example). Additional posts in violation of our policies *following* our initial warnings WILL be deleted immediately and/or the entire thread will be closed. Continued abuse may result in a ban.

We have issued several warnings, yet you have chosen to continue with the bullshit. As far as I can tell, Tony has complied with our warnings. By deleting your posts our intent is not to "censor" you (notice we have not deleted any of your posts with "real" content), but rather to keep the BULLSHIT off of our forums. We have never tolerated this sort of stuff in the past nor will it be tolerated in the future.

You are free to continue participation on our site provided you are able to comply with our policies.

I looked through Tony's post and didn't really see any "off-topic rant" to speak of. Unless I'm looking at the wrong post.


http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=10330

I agree that we should post the rules in an obvious place. I'll bring it up with Jeff when he gets back from SEMA.

We have a way of completely banning a person from vtec.net. We used this once (not on the person in the link above). However, the person apologized and we allowed him back on the site. Once someone is banned, they CANNOT access ANY part of the site. The server just drops the connection for that user or the IP addresses they have used in the past. We don't like to ban people because everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, if a user is just disrespectful to the other members of the site, we will not hesitate to ban that user.

I believe I will be coding a slashdot like moderation system over my winter break. vtec.net has gotten to the point where the noise floor has increased to a point where the useful posts are getting hidden. Look for some changes in the next two months...

Gilbert

Tuan
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Re: TOV Forum Rules    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-07-2002 20:36
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IvoG, I can really sympathize with you. We went to a fully database driven site which allowed us to make things look better and update it more easily. The new forums is much more easier to use than the older forums. The new site is just generally a better place to visit now than the previous site. This has caused our readership to skyrocket which is a good thing really. However, with any given jump in membership, you get a broad spectrum of people. Many are genuine car enthusiast who like to share their knowledge and opinions of cars like we do. And then you have the very few bad apples. Like Gilbert said, we're already looking into a moderation system where you won't even be exposed to bad threads anymore. Please bear with us through this growing pain we're having.

Thanks for your continued support.

TonyEX
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A premium TOV service?    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-08-2002 10:48
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OK, I know that TOV has been free, but like thestreet.com which starter out free and then branched out with realmoney.com....

How about starting a premium subscription page? I wouldn't mind paying -I'm a charter subscriber to realmoney.com- for a service that provides a value added.

And for one thing, on premium services, you don't get all of that riff raff coming in from the blue and starting to bad mouth everything in sight.

Plus, TOV could buy some nice new machines, get a faster POP and perhaps even fly business class for a change.

Hey, I could be your University of Civics and Integras (UCI) on the field correspondent... like Geraldo :-P But with the economy as it is, heck, why not try something different?

But seriously, both thestreet.com and TOV were pioneers... TSC has moved on to make money.... I think it's time that TOV look into it.

Regards
Tuan wrote:
IvoG, I can really sympathize with you. We went to a fully database driven site which allowed us to make things look better and update it more easily. The new forums is much more easier to use than the older forums. The new site is just generally a better place to visit now than the previous site. This has caused our readership to skyrocket which is a good thing really. However, with any given jump in membership, you get a broad spectrum of people. Many are genuine car enthusiast who like to share their knowledge and opinions of cars like we do. And then you have the very few bad apples. Like Gilbert said, we're already looking into a moderation system where you won't even be exposed to bad threads anymore. Please bear with us through this growing pain we're having.

Thanks for your continued support.



IvoG
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Re: TOV Forum Rules    (Score: 1, Normal) 11-11-2002 16:10
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Ryan, Gilbert, Tuan, and Tony:

Thanks for taking my comments to heart.
I guess that my view of the forum got a bit soured recently when a question I posted in the Strictly Technical forum turned into a flame war with posters even attacking Shawn (notyper?), who himself is a moderator if I'm not mistaken.

In the end, I got almost no sensible answers, and only kept seeing more of like posts elsewhere on the forum.

I hope that things will change soon for this forum, either technically or moderation wise. Keep up the enthusiasm and the good work, and I for one will support you in any way I can.

Ivo Grijt


 
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