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Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-04-2019 07:42
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Jaguar/Land Rover has not posted December #s yet. They did not post November either so they may have stopped.

GM is still doing quarterly #s instead of monthly, so I took their annual #s & stuck them kinda where they belonged just to give an idea of what their sales are like.



CLA 1,708 -25.1%; 22,556 +9.1%
Regal ???; 14,118 +22.1%
ILX 924 +10.7%; 11,273 -4.4%
A3 792 -61%; 18,305 -22%
2series 718 -39.6%; 9,208 -21.5%

Cclass 6,799 +4.6%; 60,409 -22%
ES 5,385 +6.7%; 48,484 -6%
Q50 3,690 -33.9%; 34,763 -14.7%
3series 3,184 -42.7%; 44,578 -25%
TLX 2,831 -8.7%; 30,468 -12.8%
IS 2,193 -21%; 22,927 -13.7%
A4 1,881 -56%; 34,566 -8%
MKZ 1,874 -18.3%; 19,852 -27.5%
LaCrosse ???; 15,527 -23%
Giulia 873 -14%; 11,519 +29%
ATS ???; 10,859 -17.1%
Cascada ???; 4,136 -26.1%
G70 229

Eclass 5,042 -6.4%; 46,422 -9.5%
5series 4,756 +.3%; 43,937 +8.1%
XTS ???; 17,727 +8.9%
CTS ???; 11,219 +8.5%
Continental 1,170 -3.8%; 8,758 -27.1%
A6 3,058 +55%; 10,561 -35%
GS 587 -35.9%; 6,604 -15.3%
Q70 329 -19%; 4,479 -22.4%
G80 305; 1,542
RLX 216 +16.1%; 1,931 +55.6%

Sclass 1,486 -32%; 14,978 -5.7%
CT6 ???; 9,668 -8.3%
7series 983 -11.2%; 8,271 -10.8$
LS 893 191.8%; 9,302 +127.2%
A8 380 +43%; 1,599 -49%
Panamera 332; 8,042
G90 80; 2,240

4series 1,916 -43.8% 31,379 -20.8%
A5 1,746 -41%; 25,972 +22%
Q60 662 -23.8%; 9,017 -16.1%
RC 341 -50.3%; 3,358 -54.5%
718 237; 5,276

911 789; 9,647
8series 223
AMG GT 136 25.7%; 1,525 -5.2%
i8 97 +21%; 772 +58.2%
R8 79 +41%; 927 +20%
NSX 17 -69.6%; 170 -70.7%
Alfa 4C 10 -62%; 238 -42%

Encore ???; 93,073 +5.7%
NX 8,764 +18.3; 62,079 +4.3%
Q5 8,143 +8%; 69,978 +21%
X1 3,411 -23.4%; 29,060 -5.7%
GLA 2,397 -7.1%; 24,136 +.1%
MKC 1,874 -18.3%; 19,852 -27.5%
X2 1,454; 16,154
Q30 647 -22%; 8,101 -42.5%
UX 453

RX 13,222 -5.2%; 111,641 +2.7%
X3 8,511 +98.7%; 61,351 +50.8%
Q5 8,143 +8%; 69,978 +21%
GLC 7,294 +18.6%; 69,727 +43.3%
RDX 6,838 +42.2%; 63,580 +23.5%
Envision ???; 30,152 -26.5%
Nautilus 3,364 +13%; 28,573 -7.9%
Q50 3,329 +86.5%; 25,389 +50.6%
Macan 1,345; 23,504
Stelvio 1,063 +7%; 12,043 +343%
XT4 ???; 7,785
X4 612 +13.8%; 4,323 -16.8%

XT5 ???; 60,565 -11.3%
X5 7,323 +7%; 45,013 -11.4%
Q60 7,032 +71.6%; 47,370 +17.1%
MDX 5,948 -2.1%; 51,512 -6.5%
Enclave ???; 49,647 +2.2%
Q7, 4,030 -17%; 37,417 -2%
GLE 3,734 -35.9%; 46,010 -15.7%
GX 3,322 .1%; 26,724 -2%
Cayenne 1,383; 10,733
X6 483 -51.9%; 6,83 +1.2%
MKT 271 +45.7%; 2,324 -22.7%

Escalade ???; 36,872 -2.2%
GLS 2,664 -11.1%; 21,972 -31.9%
QX80 2,372 -5.7%; 48,259 -15.7%
Navigator 2,073 +43.6%; 17,839 +69.5%
LX 212 -71.5%; 4,753 -21.1%




Spark ???; 23,602 +4.5%
Cooper 448 -45.9%; 6,450 -16.5%
500 418 -37%; 5,370 -58%
Smart 122 -26.5%; 1,276 -58.5%

Versa 6,735 -5.5%; 75,809 -29%
Fiesta 4,308 +17.8%; 51,730 +11.9%
Mirage 1,748; 24,316
Yaris 1,252 -40.7%; 27,209 -38.9%
Fit 768 -77.6%; 35,300 -28.9%
Accent 3,830; 29,090
Rio 1,608; 22,975
Sonic ???; 20,613 -31.9%
Golf 281 -64%; 6,642 -51%

Civic 26,384 -16%; 325,760 -13.9%
Corolla 25,439 +27.4%; 303,732 -8%
Sentra 17,567 +4.4%; 213,046 -18%
Elantra 15,076; 200,415
Cruze ???; 142,617 -22.8%
Jetta 10,261 +42%; 90,734 -22%
Forte 7,709; 101,890
Impreza 5,880 -26.8%; 76,400 -11.2%
3, 5277 -6.9%; 64,638 -13.8%
Focus 3,661 -67.4%; 113,345 -28.4%

Camry 29,093 -32.9%; 343,439 -11.6%
Accord 38,627 +29.4%; 291,071 -10.1%
Altima 17,064 -6.2%; 209,146 -18%
Fusion 16,052 -8%; 173,600 -17.2%
Malibu ???; 144,542 -22.2%
Sonata 8,705; 105,118
Optima 7,809; 101,603
Legacy 3,374 -26.5%; 40,109 -19.5%
Passat 3,116 +3.3%; 41,401 -32%
6 2,357 +32.7%; 30,938 -7.4%

Charger; 7,293 +7%; 80,226 -9%
Impala ???; 56,556 -25.5%
Maxima 5,600 +11.6%; 42,337 -37.4%
300 3,483 -39%; 36,593 -9%
Taurus 2,750 +1.1%; 28,706 -13.6%
Avalon 2,538 +4.6%; 33,580 +2.7%
Cadenza 198; 4,507

Prius 6,531 -33%; 87,590 -19.7%
Clarity 2,857 +100.5%; 20,174 +719%
Volt ???; 18,306 -10%
Bolt ???; 18,019 -22.7%
Insight 2,235; 12,510
Niro 2,006; 28,232
LEAF 1,667 +1,534.3%; 13,715 +31%
Ioniq 1,275; 15,076
Miata 511 +3.7%; 8,971 -20.6%
OutLander PHEV 431; 4,166
Mirai 232 -21.6%; 1,700 -7.8%
eGolf 222 -35%; 1,354 -62%
C-MAX 16 -98.9%; 6,683 -63.7%
Nexo 8

Mustang 4,392 -43.1%; 75,842 -7.4%
Challenger 4,156 -8%; 66,716 +3%
Camaro ???; 50,963 -25%
Stinger 1,289; 16,806
BRZ 349 _17.5%; 3,834 -7.2%
86 295 -30.6%; 4,146 -39.6%
370z 202 -33.6%; 3,468 -24.8%
Spider 184 -36%; 3,515 -22%

OutBack 15,581 -13.1%; 178,854 -5.3%
Golf SportWagen 789 -47%; 14,123 -47%
Venza 8; 9 -36%

CrossTrek 11,295 -8.2%; 144,384 +31.1%
Soul 10,128; 104,709
Kona 8,319; 47,090
Renegade 6,666 -12%; 97,062 -6%
Trax ???; 89,916 +13.4%
HR-V 6,313 -16.3%; 85,494 -9.4%
Kicks 5,704; 23,312
EcoSport 5,472; 54,348
CH-R 4,297 +11%; 49,642 +92.1%
CountryMan 1,178 -23.6%; 17,565 +18.2%
CX-3 1,144 -27.7%; 16,899 +3.3%
500x 336 -50%; 5,223 -32%

Rogue 42,523 +5.9%; 412,110 +2.1%
CR-V 42,079 +13.8%; 379,013 0%
Rav4 38,669 +18.8%; 427,170 +4.5%
Equinox ???; 332,618 +14.5%
Cherokee 20,800 +7%; 224,908 -7%
Escape 29m147 -23.3%; 272,228 -11.7%
Forester 17,642 +1.2%; 171,613 -3.4%
CX-5 13,741 -2.5%; 150,622 +18.1%
Compass 12,745 +46%; 171,167 +106%
SantaFe 11,347; 117,038
Terrain ???; 114,314 +33.8%
Tiguan 8,353 +45%; 89,476 +326%
Sportage 6,998; 82,823
Journey 5,383 +27%; 94,096 +5%
OutLander Sport 2,563; 39,153
Eclipse Cross 1,597; 9,485

HighLander 23,125 +9.9%; 244,511 +12.9%
Grand Cherokee 20,429 -14%; 224,908 -7%
Explorer 19,586 -22.8%; 227,732 -4.3%
Pilot 15,698 -15.6%; 159,615 +25%
Traverse ???; 146,534 +18.6%
Tucson 15,384; 142,299
Edge 15,133 +10.8%; 134,122 -5.9%
Sorento 8,502; 107,846
Acadia ???; 88,621 -20.4%
Murano 8,033 -17.3%; 83,547 +8.9%
Ascent 7,733; 36,211
PathFinder 6,799 +12.3%; 67,550 -16.7%
Atlas 6,717 +11%; 59,677 +120%
Durango 5,997 +8%; 65,947 -4%
CX-9 2,840 -13.3%; 28,257 +9.4%
OutLander 2,647; 37,652

Odyssey 10,512 +6.5%; 106,237 +5.7%
Pacifica 8,936 -20%; 118,322 0%
Sienna 6,719 -24.9%; 87,672 -21.6%
Flex 1,445 -21.2%; 20,308 -9.3%
Sedona 1,116; 17,928

Tacoma 21,531 +15.1%; 245,659 +23.6%
Colorado ???; 134,842 +19.3%
Frontier 7,492 +27.4%; 79,646 +7.1%
Canyon ???; 33,492 +4.3%
RidgeLine 2,867 +.5%; 30,592 -12.2%



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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-04-2019 11:37
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Thanks for putting this together. I always like going through these numbers.
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-04-2019 16:17
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Prius 6,531 -33%; 87,590 -19.7%
Clarity 2,857 +100.5%; 20,174 +719%
Volt ???; 18,306 -10%
Bolt ???; 18,019 -22.7%
Insight 2,235; 12,510
Niro 2,006; 28,232
LEAF 1,667 +1,534.3%; 13,715 +31%
Ioniq 1,275; 15,076
Miata 511 +3.7%; 8,971 -20.6%
OutLander PHEV 431; 4,166
Mirai 232 -21.6%; 1,700 -7.8%
eGolf 222 -35%; 1,354 -62%
C-MAX 16 -98.9%; 6,683 -63.7%
Nexo 8

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Tesla Model 3 25,250; 145,846

TSX69
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-04-2019 18:23
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These are just estimates but here is Tesla added (not entirely sure on the segment so I am going on price range ...):

https://insideevs.com/u-s-tesla-sales-december-2018-up/

Model 3 25,250 +25 times; 139,782 +7,788%
Eclass 5,042 -6.4%; 46,422 -9.5%
5series 4,756 +.3%; 43,937 +8.1%
XTS ???; 17,727 +8.9%
CTS ???; 11,219 +8.5%
Continental 1,170 -3.8%; 8,758 -27.1%
A6 3,058 +55%; 10,561 -35%
GS 587 -35.9%; 6,604 -15.3%
Q70 329 -19%; 4,479 -22.4%
G80 305; 1,542
RLX 216 +16.1%; 1,931 +55.6%

Model S 3,250 -35%; 25,745 -5%
Sclass 1,486 -32%; 14,978 -5.7%
CT6 ???; 9,668 -8.3%
7series 983 -11.2%; 8,271 -10.8$
LS 893 191.8%; 9,302 +127.2%
A8 380 +43%; 1,599 -49%
Panamera 332; 8,042
G90 80; 2,240

Escalade ???; 36,872 -2.2%
Model X 4,100 +24%; 26,100 +22%
GLS 2,664 -11.1%; 21,972 -31.9%
QX80 2,372 -5.7%; 48,259 -15.7%
Navigator 2,073 +43.6%; 17,839 +69.5%
LX 212 -71.5%; 4,753 -21.1%




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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-05-2019 08:39
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Thanks TSX69.

It will be an interesting battle between the Q5, X3, GLC and RDX in 2019.

longhorn
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-05-2019 13:12
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TSX69 wrote:
These are just estimates but here is Tesla added (not entirely sure on the segment so I am going on price range ...):

https://insideevs.com/u-s-tesla-sales-december-2018-up/

Model 3 25,250 +25 times; 139,782 +7,788%
Eclass 5,042 -6.4%; 46,422 -9.5%
5series 4,756 +.3%; 43,937 +8.1%
XTS ???; 17,727 +8.9%
CTS ???; 11,219 +8.5%
Continental 1,170 -3.8%; 8,758 -27.1%
A6 3,058 +55%; 10,561 -35%
GS 587 -35.9%; 6,604 -15.3%
Q70 329 -19%; 4,479 -22.4%
G80 305; 1,542
RLX 216 +16.1%; 1,931 +55.6%

Model S 3,250 -35%; 25,745 -5%
Sclass 1,486 -32%; 14,978 -5.7%
CT6 ???; 9,668 -8.3%
7series 983 -11.2%; 8,271 -10.8$
LS 893 191.8%; 9,302 +127.2%
A8 380 +43%; 1,599 -49%
Panamera 332; 8,042
G90 80; 2,240

Escalade ???; 36,872 -2.2%
Model X 4,100 +24%; 26,100 +22%
GLS 2,664 -11.1%; 21,972 -31.9%
QX80 2,372 -5.7%; 48,259 -15.7%
Navigator 2,073 +43.6%; 17,839 +69.5%
LX 212 -71.5%; 4,753 -21.1%






Thank you TSX69. WOW! When one sees how Tesla is doing vs the competition it is an amazing feat. Especailly since Tesla seems to be getting its financial house in order and moving into China in a big way.

TSX69
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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-07-2019 07:34
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Adding in Land Rover:

RX 13,222 -5.2%; 111,641 +2.7%
X3 8,511 +98.7%; 61,351 +50.8%
Q5 8,143 +8%; 69,978 +21%
GLC 7,294 +18.6%; 69,727 +43.3%
RDX 6,838 +42.2%; 63,580 +23.5%
Envision ???; 30,152 -26.5%
Nautilus 3,364 +13%; 28,573 -7.9%
Q50 3,329 +86.5%; 25,389 +50.6%
Rover Evoque 1,594 +27%
Macan 1,345; 23,504
Stelvio 1,063 +7%; 12,043 +343%
XT4 ???; 7,785
X4 612 +13.8%; 4,323 -16.8%

XT5 ???; 60,565 -11.3%
X5 7,323 +7%; 45,013 -11.4%
Q60 7,032 +71.6%; 47,370 +17.1%
MDX 5,948 -2.1%; 51,512 -6.5%
Enclave ???; 49,647 +2.2%
Q7, 4,030 -17%; 37,417 -2%
GLE 3,734 -35.9%; 46,010 -15.7%
GX 3,322 .1%; 26,724 -2%
Range Rover Sport 2,688 +85%; 24,282 +27%
Cayenne 1,383; 10,733
X6 483 -51.9%; 6,83 +1.2%
MKT 271 +45.7%; 2,324 -22.7%

Escalade ???; 36,872 -2.2%
GLS 2,664 -11.1%; 21,972 -31.9%
QX80 2,372 -5.7%; 48,259 -15.7%
Range Rover 2,231 +108%; 19,030 +13%
Navigator 2,073 +43.6%; 17,839 +69.5%
LX 212 -71.5%; 4,753 -21.1%

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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-07-2019 11:53
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longhorn wrote:
TSX69 wrote:
These are just estimates but here is Tesla added (not entirely sure on the segment so I am going on price range ...):

https://insideevs.com/u-s-tesla-sales-december-2018-up/

Model 3 25,250 +25 times; 139,782 +7,788%
Eclass 5,042 -6.4%; 46,422 -9.5%
5series 4,756 +.3%; 43,937 +8.1%
XTS ???; 17,727 +8.9%
CTS ???; 11,219 +8.5%
Continental 1,170 -3.8%; 8,758 -27.1%
A6 3,058 +55%; 10,561 -35%
GS 587 -35.9%; 6,604 -15.3%
Q70 329 -19%; 4,479 -22.4%
G80 305; 1,542
RLX 216 +16.1%; 1,931 +55.6%

Model S 3,250 -35%; 25,745 -5%
Sclass 1,486 -32%; 14,978 -5.7%
CT6 ???; 9,668 -8.3%
7series 983 -11.2%; 8,271 -10.8$
LS 893 191.8%; 9,302 +127.2%
A8 380 +43%; 1,599 -49%
Panamera 332; 8,042
G90 80; 2,240

Escalade ???; 36,872 -2.2%
Model X 4,100 +24%; 26,100 +22%
GLS 2,664 -11.1%; 21,972 -31.9%
QX80 2,372 -5.7%; 48,259 -15.7%
Navigator 2,073 +43.6%; 17,839 +69.5%
LX 212 -71.5%; 4,753 -21.1%






Thank you TSX69. WOW! When one sees how Tesla is doing vs the competition it is an amazing feat. Especailly since Tesla seems to be getting its financial house in order and moving into China in a big way.



How is Honda not gotten into the EV marketplace with a competitive product. I do not count the Honda clarity as competitive since it has very low range and heck not even available throughout the country. Tesla Model 3 basically crushed it, sounds like they sold more cars then the ilx/tlx/rlx combined over the last 3 years.

B.

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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-07-2019 15:07
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Brutus wrote:
How is Honda not gotten into the EV marketplace with a competitive product. I do not count the Honda clarity as competitive since it has very low range and heck not even available throughout the country. Tesla Model 3 basically crushed it, sounds like they sold more cars then the ilx/tlx/rlx combined over the last 3 years.

B.


Close, but not quite. Still impressive nonetheless what Tesla has accomplished with the Model 3. That said, Acura is not the only one that should be embarrassed by the Model 3 and Tesla's overall success. Taking every other luxury brands' US sales over the past three years for sedans, here's how they stack up against the Model 3 sales for just 2018. The Model 3's small 2017 sales figures were not included since your statement was specifically about this year's sales:

Brand/Model 2018 2017 2016 Total
Tesla
Model 3 139,782 - - 139,782
Model 3 2018: 139,782

Acura 2018 2017 2016 Total
ILX 11,273 11,757 14,597 37,627
TLX 30,468 34,846 37,156 102,470
RLX 1,931 1,237 1,478 4,646
Brand Total: 144,743

Audi 2018 2017 2016 Total
A3/S3 18,305 23,610 31,538 73,453
A4/S4 34,311 34,434 34,687 103,432
A6/S6 10,561 16,304 18,686 45,551
A8/S8 1,599 3,127 4,149 8,875
Brand Total: 231,311

BMW 2018 2017 2016 Total
3-series 44,578 59,449 70,458 174,485
5-series 43,937 40,658 32,408 117,003
7-series 8,271 9,276 12,918 30,465
Brand Total: 321,953

Mercedes 2018 2017 2016 Total
CLA 22,556 20,669 25,792 69,017
C-class 60,410 77,446 77,167 215,023
E-class 45,437 49,473 46,740 141,650
S-class 14,975 15,888 18,803 49,666
Brand Total: 475,356

Volvo 2018 2017 2016 Total
S60 7,310 12,144 14,219 33,673
S90 6,967 8,641 2,756 18,364
Brand Total: 52,037

Lexus 2018 2017 2016 Total
IS 22,927 26,482 37,289 86,698
ES 48,482 51,398 58,299 158,179
GS 6,604 7,773 14,878 29,255
LS 9,301 4,094 5,514 18,909
Brand Total: 293,041

Infiniti 2018 2017 2016 Total
Q50 34,763 40,739 44,007 119,509
Q70 4,479 5,772 5,872 16,123
Brand Total: 135,632

Genesis 2018 2017 2016 Total
G70 409 - - 409
G80 7,663 16,214 6,166 30,043
G90 2,240 4,398 782 7,420
Brand Total: 37,872

Cadillac 2018 2017 2016 Total
ATS 10,859 13,100 21,505 45,464
CTS 11,219 10,344 15,911 37,474
XTS 17,727 16,275 22,171 56,173
CT6 9,668 10,542 9,169 29,379
Brand Total: 168,490

Lincoln 2018 2017 2016 Total
MKZ 19,852 27,387 30,534 77,773
MKS - 153 4,951 5,104
Continental 8,758 12,012 5,261 26,031
Brand Total: 108,908

Jaguar (2018 figures are estimated, no Dec sales figures posted)
2018 2017 2016 Total
XE 4,870 9,278 6,656 20,804
XF 2,255 4,541 6,665 13,461
XJ 1,555 2,721 3,834 8,110
I-Pace 393 - - 393
Brand Total: 42,768







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Re: Comparison #s [View News Item]    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-07-2019 19:03
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Brutus wrote:
longhorn wrote:
TSX69 wrote:
These are just estimates but here is Tesla added (not entirely sure on the segment so I am going on price range ...):

https://insideevs.com/u-s-tesla-sales-december-2018-up/

Model 3 25,250 +25 times; 139,782 +7,788%
Eclass 5,042 -6.4%; 46,422 -9.5%
5series 4,756 +.3%; 43,937 +8.1%
XTS ???; 17,727 +8.9%
CTS ???; 11,219 +8.5%
Continental 1,170 -3.8%; 8,758 -27.1%
A6 3,058 +55%; 10,561 -35%
GS 587 -35.9%; 6,604 -15.3%
Q70 329 -19%; 4,479 -22.4%
G80 305; 1,542
RLX 216 +16.1%; 1,931 +55.6%

Model S 3,250 -35%; 25,745 -5%
Sclass 1,486 -32%; 14,978 -5.7%
CT6 ???; 9,668 -8.3%
7series 983 -11.2%; 8,271 -10.8$
LS 893 191.8%; 9,302 +127.2%
A8 380 +43%; 1,599 -49%
Panamera 332; 8,042
G90 80; 2,240

Escalade ???; 36,872 -2.2%
Model X 4,100 +24%; 26,100 +22%
GLS 2,664 -11.1%; 21,972 -31.9%
QX80 2,372 -5.7%; 48,259 -15.7%
Navigator 2,073 +43.6%; 17,839 +69.5%
LX 212 -71.5%; 4,753 -21.1%






Thank you TSX69. WOW! When one sees how Tesla is doing vs the competition it is an amazing feat. Especailly since Tesla seems to be getting its financial house in order and moving into China in a big way.



How is Honda not gotten into the EV marketplace with a competitive product. I do not count the Honda clarity as competitive since it has very low range and heck not even available throughout the country. Tesla Model 3 basically crushed it, sounds like they sold more cars then the ilx/tlx/rlx combined over the last 3 years.

B.



But Tesla is more than just an EV powertrain. The way it unlocks, starts, OTA updates itself, Autopilot, Summons, etc. makes up Tesla. I thought it was a bunch of tree huggers buying a EV. But Tesla is winning over many ICE guys too. Got to sit in one and talk to the Tesla sales guy (if that is what one calls them) and the vehicles are just simply fascinating. Honda nor any other carmaker could replicate the "Tesla" experience. Example, we may deride the artificial feel of the brakes and steering but it can and does get updated while the owners sleep. Its is like an Iphone, the Tesla model 3 one bought a year ago will feel different from the way it drives today.

Honda and others have dealerships they must support, and Tesla has none of that. There really is no Maintenance per se on EV, other than rotate tires. I see why Toyota and to a certain extent Honda are pushing back on the narrative of EVs being the future. It will be disruptive to how cars are sold and serviced today.

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Thanks TSX!
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As far as BEV goes you have to wonder where Honda is. Right now they have nothing in the market. Zip. Either they are totally lost or are getting a new platform ready following the Tesla lead of batteries for a floorboard and the rest. I see no Clarity EV available in my area of S.California.

As far as totally lost: the 89 mile range Clarity BEV is an indication. The fact they never did develop a 50/50 weight distribution 3/5 Series competitor another. Never competing against the Prius until the market started leaving hybrid for EV. Trailing the market on implementing the big issues.

In Honda's favor is right now Tesla sedans are EV dominant, while the rest of the market is SUV crazy. You would think the experience with the Odyssey would help in building a Model X competitor, and that is where the market will go once there are products available. It seems to me the Toyota RAV EV and other ICE to EV conversions don't satisfy, so it is important to build an EV chassis.

While Honda's obsession with shared chassis to allow multiple vehicles to build simultaneously on the same line is completly frustrating because it meant Acura's are Honda Deluxe, but it also means having the knowledge on how to engineer products that can be configured for demand.

In addition Japan having no natural resources for fossil fuels would seem to be a huge incentive for BEV. It's hard to imagine with Honda's roots in getting the most from a little will not translate well to BEV.

Maybe they are betting the house on hydrogen and innovation isn't going as well as planned?

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Tesla is not far off from introducing a small SUV, hopefully much better then the Model X effort which is more bulbous minivan IMO. That will likely hit the market in the sweet spot.

I am also wondering if the big boys are all holding out for solid state batteries, and pouring resources in this direction since they are not convinced the current battery tech is sufficient.

Bottomline, Honda needs to be in this arena with a BEV product, it does not have to go 500 miles but 200+ would get it done. I think I read somewhere that some of the top car brands that were replaced by the Model 3 and Honda was one of the major ones. Honda has been at the forefront of efficient gasoline engines with class leading emissions and mileage. I would say that a lot of Honda buyers tend to value those things because of Honda's willingness to embrace trying to be more green.

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