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Test drove a used 2017 HR-V and it was horrible    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-01-2018 20:53
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I was looking for a new car and had pretty much ruled out the HR-V but just for completeness, I went to the dealer to test drive it. Sales guy said that the new ones fly off the lot as soon as the truck delivers them so he had none in stock. He said he had a couple of used ones if we really wanted to drive it. I said yes, so I get in the vehicle and itís obviously been sitting there for a while because there was a thick layer of dust on the dashboard, the windshield was all smeared and it had that sickening strawberry protectant/air freshener scent. I turned the car on and plumes of dust came flying out of the vents as the a/c kicked in. Not a good start.

I take off and the car felt like all the fun had been sucked out of it. It was like being attacked by a Dementor from Harry Potter. That definitely made up my mind about it.

I had already test driven the Nissan Kicks that has just 125 hp engine and that felt peppier than the HR-V.

I ended up buying a Kia Niro Hybrid.

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Re: Test drove a used 2017 HR-V and it was horrible    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-01-2018 21:12
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I was looking for a new car and had pretty much ruled out the HR-V but just for completeness, I went to the dealer to test drive it. Sales guy said that the new ones fly off the lot as soon as the truck delivers them so he had none in stock. He said he had a couple of used ones if we really wanted to drive it. I said yes, so I get in the vehicle and itís obviously been sitting there for a while because there was a thick layer of dust on the dashboard, the windshield was all smeared and it had that sickening strawberry protectant/air freshener scent. I turned the car on and plumes of dust came flying out of the vents as the a/c kicked in. Not a good start.

I take off and the car felt like all the fun had been sucked out of it. It was like being attacked by a Dementor from Harry Potter. That definitely made up my mind about it.

I had already test driven the Nissan Kicks that has just 125 hp engine and that felt peppier than the HR-V.

I ended up buying a Kia Niro Hybrid.


Very true, and the sad thing is that Honda didn't grab the capable 1.5T off the shelf for the MMC and put it into service in the HR-V.

And while they are at it, how about the 2.0T in a Sport version?



Twiz
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Re: Test drove a used 2017 HR-V and it was horrible    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-01-2018 21:16
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hooked wrote:
I was looking for a new car and had pretty much ruled out the HR-V but just for completeness, I went to the dealer to test drive it. Sales guy said that the new ones fly off the lot as soon as the truck delivers them so he had none in stock. He said he had a couple of used ones if we really wanted to drive it. I said yes, so I get in the vehicle and itís obviously been sitting there for a while because there was a thick layer of dust on the dashboard, the windshield was all smeared and it had that sickening strawberry protectant/air freshener scent. I turned the car on and plumes of dust came flying out of the vents as the a/c kicked in. Not a good start.

I take off and the car felt like all the fun had been sucked out of it. It was like being attacked by a Dementor from Harry Potter. That definitely made up my mind about it.

I had already test driven the Nissan Kicks that has just 125 hp engine and that felt peppier than the HR-V.

I ended up buying a Kia Niro Hybrid.




Congrats on your Niro. Interesting car that's nicely priced.. not really fair that you came to a conclusion after driving a used one.. but the CVT and L15 is a pretty lathargic combination... HRV with the 6spd manual is actually really fun to drive, Honda won't change the engine since these puppies are flying off the dealership

JeffX
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Re: Test drove a used 2017 HR-V and it was horrible    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-01-2018 23:40
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Twiz wrote:
hooked wrote:
I was looking for a new car and had pretty much ruled out the HR-V but just for completeness, I went to the dealer to test drive it. Sales guy said that the new ones fly off the lot as soon as the truck delivers them so he had none in stock. He said he had a couple of used ones if we really wanted to drive it. I said yes, so I get in the vehicle and itís obviously been sitting there for a while because there was a thick layer of dust on the dashboard, the windshield was all smeared and it had that sickening strawberry protectant/air freshener scent. I turned the car on and plumes of dust came flying out of the vents as the a/c kicked in. Not a good start.

I take off and the car felt like all the fun had been sucked out of it. It was like being attacked by a Dementor from Harry Potter. That definitely made up my mind about it.

I had already test driven the Nissan Kicks that has just 125 hp engine and that felt peppier than the HR-V.

I ended up buying a Kia Niro Hybrid.




Congrats on your Niro. Interesting car that's nicely priced.. not really fair that you came to a conclusion after driving a used one.. but the CVT and L15 is a pretty lathargic combination... HRV with the 6spd manual is actually really fun to drive, Honda won't change the engine since these puppies are flying off the dealership



All HR-Vs have a 140hp R18 actually.

I test drove a 2018 HR-V (CVT) earlier this year that actually felt more energetic than any of the previous HR-Vs that I had driven previously. It still wasn't fast or even quick, but at least it didn't feel like as much of a dog as the ones I had tried earlier. It was just in that "acceptable" zone, but barely. The 1.5T would be a huge upgrade, but for whatever reason the 1.5T won't work with the AWD, so it could only be offered as a FWD model right now. I imagine the next-gen HR-V will take care of this.

owequitit
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Re: Test drove a used 2017 HR-V and it was horrible    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-02-2018 02:23
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Twiz wrote:
hooked wrote:
I was looking for a new car and had pretty much ruled out the HR-V but just for completeness, I went to the dealer to test drive it. Sales guy said that the new ones fly off the lot as soon as the truck delivers them so he had none in stock. He said he had a couple of used ones if we really wanted to drive it. I said yes, so I get in the vehicle and itís obviously been sitting there for a while because there was a thick layer of dust on the dashboard, the windshield was all smeared and it had that sickening strawberry protectant/air freshener scent. I turned the car on and plumes of dust came flying out of the vents as the a/c kicked in. Not a good start.

I take off and the car felt like all the fun had been sucked out of it. It was like being attacked by a Dementor from Harry Potter. That definitely made up my mind about it.

I had already test driven the Nissan Kicks that has just 125 hp engine and that felt peppier than the HR-V.

I ended up buying a Kia Niro Hybrid.




Congrats on your Niro. Interesting car that's nicely priced.. not really fair that you came to a conclusion after driving a used one.. but the CVT and L15 is a pretty lathargic combination... HRV with the 6spd manual is actually really fun to drive, Honda won't change the engine since these puppies are flying off the dealership



The R18 isn't what I would call a stellar engine anyway, but IMO, 90% of the problem comes down to transmission programming. It took me about 7,000 miles to really understand it, but the transmission just does NOT give up the engine revs like it needs to in order to be reasonably responsive. For instance, if you are cruising in steady state driving at say...50 MPH and you need to speed up to 60MPH. If you give it a moderate dose of throttle, the revs come up from about 1500RPM very slowly to whatever value the computer determines you actually need at that throttle setting. And by very slowly, I am talking maybe a couple hundred revs per second. So by the time you actually get any thrust, it is to late.

That leaves the only other option to get really aggressive with the throttle and then it will delay and slowly increase the revs for a second, and then will zing to the power peak. There isn't really a smooth increase in revs. I know that Honda tried to do this in the interest of MPG, but it really, really, kills any little bit of response the powertrain would have had. It does MUCH better in Sport mode or when using the paddle shifters in Sport mode because the transmission is much more aggressive about getting to where it needs to be in order to deliver the requested performance. The problem is that if you aren't using the paddle shifters, then it sits there about 1000-1500RPM higher than where you need to be in normal cruising, so you end up flipping the selector between D and S modes. Interstingly, driving around in "S" or using the paddle shifter doesn't seem to really adversely affect MPG much, and I have actually produced the best results in "S" mode with manual gear selection. I don't dare touch "ECO" mode as it is relatively unsafe to be honest.

Of course, the downside to any of this is that the R18 just does NOT like to rev in any capacity, so it is never a pleasure to get on it, even when it is responding like it should.

JeffX
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Re: Test drove a used 2017 HR-V and it was horrible    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-02-2018 03:15
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owequitit wrote:
Twiz wrote:
hooked wrote:
I was looking for a new car and had pretty much ruled out the HR-V but just for completeness, I went to the dealer to test drive it. Sales guy said that the new ones fly off the lot as soon as the truck delivers them so he had none in stock. He said he had a couple of used ones if we really wanted to drive it. I said yes, so I get in the vehicle and itís obviously been sitting there for a while because there was a thick layer of dust on the dashboard, the windshield was all smeared and it had that sickening strawberry protectant/air freshener scent. I turned the car on and plumes of dust came flying out of the vents as the a/c kicked in. Not a good start.

I take off and the car felt like all the fun had been sucked out of it. It was like being attacked by a Dementor from Harry Potter. That definitely made up my mind about it.

I had already test driven the Nissan Kicks that has just 125 hp engine and that felt peppier than the HR-V.

I ended up buying a Kia Niro Hybrid.




Congrats on your Niro. Interesting car that's nicely priced.. not really fair that you came to a conclusion after driving a used one.. but the CVT and L15 is a pretty lathargic combination... HRV with the 6spd manual is actually really fun to drive, Honda won't change the engine since these puppies are flying off the dealership



The R18 isn't what I would call a stellar engine anyway, but IMO, 90% of the problem comes down to transmission programming. It took me about 7,000 miles to really understand it, but the transmission just does NOT give up the engine revs like it needs to in order to be reasonably responsive. For instance, if you are cruising in steady state driving at say...50 MPH and you need to speed up to 60MPH. If you give it a moderate dose of throttle, the revs come up from about 1500RPM very slowly to whatever value the computer determines you actually need at that throttle setting. And by very slowly, I am talking maybe a couple hundred revs per second. So by the time you actually get any thrust, it is to late.

That leaves the only other option to get really aggressive with the throttle and then it will delay and slowly increase the revs for a second, and then will zing to the power peak. There isn't really a smooth increase in revs. I know that Honda tried to do this in the interest of MPG, but it really, really, kills any little bit of response the powertrain would have had. It does MUCH better in Sport mode or when using the paddle shifters in Sport mode because the transmission is much more aggressive about getting to where it needs to be in order to deliver the requested performance. The problem is that if you aren't using the paddle shifters, then it sits there about 1000-1500RPM higher than where you need to be in normal cruising, so you end up flipping the selector between D and S modes. Interstingly, driving around in "S" or using the paddle shifter doesn't seem to really adversely affect MPG much, and I have actually produced the best results in "S" mode with manual gear selection. I don't dare touch "ECO" mode as it is relatively unsafe to be honest.

Of course, the downside to any of this is that the R18 just does NOT like to rev in any capacity, so it is never a pleasure to get on it, even when it is responding like it should.



Yeah, I think that's part of the reason that the newer HR-Vs that I sampled felt a little better. The transmission and throttle logic was a bit more eager to please than some of the earlier examples that I drove. I've noticed similar "improvements" in other Honda and Acura models when simply comparing vehicles that are only a few model years apart, though there's no difference in the actual specification.

I've always liked the HR-V, but the powertrain was the dealbreaker for me. I'd definitely allow it with the 1.5T and a sported up AWD system.

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Re: Test drove a used 2017 HR-V and it was horrible    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-02-2018 05:11
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Correct, I was thinking about the L15 on clarity lol.

They should've at least put the R20 in the HRV

Tastycakes
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Re: Test drove a used 2017 HR-V and it was horrible    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-10-2018 23:23
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JeffX wrote:
owequitit wrote:
Twiz wrote:
hooked wrote:
I was looking for a new car and had pretty much ruled out the HR-V but just for completeness, I went to the dealer to test drive it. Sales guy said that the new ones fly off the lot as soon as the truck delivers them so he had none in stock. He said he had a couple of used ones if we really wanted to drive it. I said yes, so I get in the vehicle and itís obviously been sitting there for a while because there was a thick layer of dust on the dashboard, the windshield was all smeared and it had that sickening strawberry protectant/air freshener scent. I turned the car on and plumes of dust came flying out of the vents as the a/c kicked in. Not a good start.

I take off and the car felt like all the fun had been sucked out of it. It was like being attacked by a Dementor from Harry Potter. That definitely made up my mind about it.

I had already test driven the Nissan Kicks that has just 125 hp engine and that felt peppier than the HR-V.

I ended up buying a Kia Niro Hybrid.




Congrats on your Niro. Interesting car that's nicely priced.. not really fair that you came to a conclusion after driving a used one.. but the CVT and L15 is a pretty lathargic combination... HRV with the 6spd manual is actually really fun to drive, Honda won't change the engine since these puppies are flying off the dealership



The R18 isn't what I would call a stellar engine anyway, but IMO, 90% of the problem comes down to transmission programming. It took me about 7,000 miles to really understand it, but the transmission just does NOT give up the engine revs like it needs to in order to be reasonably responsive. For instance, if you are cruising in steady state driving at say...50 MPH and you need to speed up to 60MPH. If you give it a moderate dose of throttle, the revs come up from about 1500RPM very slowly to whatever value the computer determines you actually need at that throttle setting. And by very slowly, I am talking maybe a couple hundred revs per second. So by the time you actually get any thrust, it is to late.

That leaves the only other option to get really aggressive with the throttle and then it will delay and slowly increase the revs for a second, and then will zing to the power peak. There isn't really a smooth increase in revs. I know that Honda tried to do this in the interest of MPG, but it really, really, kills any little bit of response the powertrain would have had. It does MUCH better in Sport mode or when using the paddle shifters in Sport mode because the transmission is much more aggressive about getting to where it needs to be in order to deliver the requested performance. The problem is that if you aren't using the paddle shifters, then it sits there about 1000-1500RPM higher than where you need to be in normal cruising, so you end up flipping the selector between D and S modes. Interstingly, driving around in "S" or using the paddle shifter doesn't seem to really adversely affect MPG much, and I have actually produced the best results in "S" mode with manual gear selection. I don't dare touch "ECO" mode as it is relatively unsafe to be honest.

Of course, the downside to any of this is that the R18 just does NOT like to rev in any capacity, so it is never a pleasure to get on it, even when it is responding like it should.



Yeah, I think that's part of the reason that the newer HR-Vs that I sampled felt a little better. The transmission and throttle logic was a bit more eager to please than some of the earlier examples that I drove. I've noticed similar "improvements" in other Honda and Acura models when simply comparing vehicles that are only a few model years apart, though there's no difference in the actual specification.

I've always liked the HR-V, but the powertrain was the dealbreaker for me. I'd definitely allow it with the 1.5T and a sported up AWD system.




Programming is definitely not it's strong suit. Granted, we avg 30-32mpg, little more than our old 2012 Civic LX (28/29mpg) for same motor (r18/5AT wasn't much more fun). It just does not rev up sometimes! I go WOT, and no joke, the revs peg at like 4krpm.

The CVT is extremely responsive up up-shifting, a slight back off the throttle and it instantly drops the revs but it still boggles my mind that the revs can be programmed to stick at 4k some times with WOT, econ on or off. Give me redline or give me death! I honestly don't know what econ does in this thing either and the Green/White econ ring is meaning less. It turns White under normal easy driving.

Like any Honda CVT I've owned (10' Insight, 16' Civic 1.5t, 18' HR-V), if you need to go, don't touch the shifter, go WOT, wait second, go down a gear in the shifter, wait a second, go down another gear if needed. The Insight was easy to get 100% out of it... Shift into "1st" with paddles, go wide open, as soon as it hits the redline and before it goes into "2nd", pop it into D and the little hamster under the hood would stick right at the redline ^_^

I still love this cheap awesome little crossover tho. With a new baby, needed a cheap SUV and this fits the bill. Just have to settle on "meh" powertrain until they update or trade in for a CR-V when lease is up.








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Re: Test drove a used 2017 HR-V and it was horrible    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-11-2018 00:49
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Tastycakes wrote:
JeffX wrote:
owequitit wrote:
Twiz wrote:
hooked wrote:
I was looking for a new car and had pretty much ruled out the HR-V but just for completeness, I went to the dealer to test drive it. Sales guy said that the new ones fly off the lot as soon as the truck delivers them so he had none in stock. He said he had a couple of used ones if we really wanted to drive it. I said yes, so I get in the vehicle and itís obviously been sitting there for a while because there was a thick layer of dust on the dashboard, the windshield was all smeared and it had that sickening strawberry protectant/air freshener scent. I turned the car on and plumes of dust came flying out of the vents as the a/c kicked in. Not a good start.

I take off and the car felt like all the fun had been sucked out of it. It was like being attacked by a Dementor from Harry Potter. That definitely made up my mind about it.

I had already test driven the Nissan Kicks that has just 125 hp engine and that felt peppier than the HR-V.

I ended up buying a Kia Niro Hybrid.




Congrats on your Niro. Interesting car that's nicely priced.. not really fair that you came to a conclusion after driving a used one.. but the CVT and L15 is a pretty lathargic combination... HRV with the 6spd manual is actually really fun to drive, Honda won't change the engine since these puppies are flying off the dealership



The R18 isn't what I would call a stellar engine anyway, but IMO, 90% of the problem comes down to transmission programming. It took me about 7,000 miles to really understand it, but the transmission just does NOT give up the engine revs like it needs to in order to be reasonably responsive. For instance, if you are cruising in steady state driving at say...50 MPH and you need to speed up to 60MPH. If you give it a moderate dose of throttle, the revs come up from about 1500RPM very slowly to whatever value the computer determines you actually need at that throttle setting. And by very slowly, I am talking maybe a couple hundred revs per second. So by the time you actually get any thrust, it is to late.

That leaves the only other option to get really aggressive with the throttle and then it will delay and slowly increase the revs for a second, and then will zing to the power peak. There isn't really a smooth increase in revs. I know that Honda tried to do this in the interest of MPG, but it really, really, kills any little bit of response the powertrain would have had. It does MUCH better in Sport mode or when using the paddle shifters in Sport mode because the transmission is much more aggressive about getting to where it needs to be in order to deliver the requested performance. The problem is that if you aren't using the paddle shifters, then it sits there about 1000-1500RPM higher than where you need to be in normal cruising, so you end up flipping the selector between D and S modes. Interstingly, driving around in "S" or using the paddle shifter doesn't seem to really adversely affect MPG much, and I have actually produced the best results in "S" mode with manual gear selection. I don't dare touch "ECO" mode as it is relatively unsafe to be honest.

Of course, the downside to any of this is that the R18 just does NOT like to rev in any capacity, so it is never a pleasure to get on it, even when it is responding like it should.



Yeah, I think that's part of the reason that the newer HR-Vs that I sampled felt a little better. The transmission and throttle logic was a bit more eager to please than some of the earlier examples that I drove. I've noticed similar "improvements" in other Honda and Acura models when simply comparing vehicles that are only a few model years apart, though there's no difference in the actual specification.

I've always liked the HR-V, but the powertrain was the dealbreaker for me. I'd definitely allow it with the 1.5T and a sported up AWD system.




Programming is definitely not it's strong suit. Granted, we avg 30-32mpg, little more than our old 2012 Civic LX (28/29mpg) for same motor (r18/5AT wasn't much more fun). It just does not rev up sometimes! I go WOT, and no joke, the revs peg at like 4krpm.

The CVT is extremely responsive up up-shifting, a slight back off the throttle and it instantly drops the revs but it still boggles my mind that the revs can be programmed to stick at 4k some times with WOT, econ on or off. Give me redline or give me death! I honestly don't know what econ does in this thing either and the Green/White econ ring is meaning less. It turns White under normal easy driving.

Like any Honda CVT I've owned (10' Insight, 16' Civic 1.5t, 18' HR-V), if you need to go, don't touch the shifter, go WOT, wait second, go down a gear in the shifter, wait a second, go down another gear if needed. The Insight was easy to get 100% out of it... Shift into "1st" with paddles, go wide open, as soon as it hits the redline and before it goes into "2nd", pop it into D and the little hamster under the hood would stick right at the redline ^_^

I still love this cheap awesome little crossover tho. With a new baby, needed a cheap SUV and this fits the bill. Just have to settle on "meh" powertrain until they update or trade in for a CR-V when lease is up.










It is mind boggling. Then there are other times that you barely make a throttle change (for like a small 3-5MPH acceleration in traffic, and the revs are pretty aggressive at increasing). It's pretty infernal to be honest. I do like that the powertrain is pretty much non-existent in steady state cruising below about 50MPH though. If you can maintain speed, it will give back pretty good MPG and is smooth and fluid. It is just outside of that cruising mode that it starts to fall apart.

I do agree on it being a great little vehicle though. For instance, the multi-angle reclining rear seat back is sort of a neat feature you wouldn't expect in such a vehicle. I also think it has really good paint quality, although some of the trim pieces on the outside of ours don't fit very well.

But the quality and flexibility of the car are pretty fantastic for the size. If the powertrain were better, it would be such a runaway hit, I think Honda would have cornered the market segment.

Restless
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Re: Test drove a used 2017 HR-V and it was horrible    (Score: 1, Normal) 10-11-2018 04:33
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Twiz wrote:
Correct, I was thinking about the L15 on clarity lol.

They should've at least put the R20 in the HRV


The sad truth is that here in Europe, HR-V is using L15 ...
Then some people wonder why sales flopped after going up initially :(


 
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