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fishchan
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2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 03:25
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 04:04
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Never have seen one of these on the street!
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 06:45
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I'm looking forward to seeing reviews of the 2019 updates.
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 08:27
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Good review and pretty spot on regarding the pros and cons.

Part of the agreement with Acura for doing this review is they were prevented from comparing this car to the original NSX.

Draw your own conclusions.

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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 08:33
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Please silverf16 give it a rest! The MkII was never meant to be a follow on of the MkI and yes we know you're disappointed with the MkII, already.
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 10:11
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I saw my first one in downtown Toronto a few weeks ago in NOUVELLE BLUE PEARL. It looked amazing. This car is so low to the ground.
notyper
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 10:42
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Please silverf16 give it a rest! The MkII was never meant to be a follow on of the MkI and yes we know you're disappointed with the MkII, already.


You don't find it interesting that Acura didn't want them comparing the 2? To the point they made it a condition of the test?

Whatever the intent was, it's a rather restrictive request of a car reviewer. Looks like they might have learned something from Ferrari.....

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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 11:20
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notyper wrote:
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Please silverf16 give it a rest! The MkII was never meant to be a follow on of the MkI and yes we know you're disappointed with the MkII, already.


You don't find it interesting that Acura didn't want them comparing the 2? To the point they made it a condition of the test?

Whatever the intent was, it's a rather restrictive request of a car reviewer. Looks like they might have learned something from Ferrari.....

SC



I couldn't care less about the review, I haven't watched it yet, it's silverf16's seemingly endless bleatings about what the NSX MkII isn't that gets to me. :) honestly, if you want an analogue Honda drive, there's one of the best of all time in Honda showrooms right now, and it's probably every bit as quick as the MkI.

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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 11:46
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sadlerau wrote:
notyper wrote:
sadlerau wrote:
Please silverf16 give it a rest! The MkII was never meant to be a follow on of the MkI and yes we know you're disappointed with the MkII, already.


You don't find it interesting that Acura didn't want them comparing the 2? To the point they made it a condition of the test?

Whatever the intent was, it's a rather restrictive request of a car reviewer. Looks like they might have learned something from Ferrari.....

SC



I couldn't care less about the review, I haven't watched it yet, it's silverf16's seemingly endless bleatings about what the NSX MkII isn't that gets to me. :) honestly, if you want an analogue Honda drive, there's one of the best of all time in Honda showrooms right now, and it's probably every bit as quick as the MkI.


I'll take one of each, Please!

silverf16
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 12:01
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I am only slightly disappointed with the Gen 2. I know I've been more vocal than how I truly feel about this car. Much like my kids, I love them, but I need to point out what areas to improve upon, especially since the NSX is struggling in the market.

It is a good honest video and highlight many good aspects of the car as well as areas which need attention. Watching this video reminds me how much I like this car. If I was to pull the trigger today, the NSX would be the car for me. But I like to see the improvements happen for mid cycle enhancement before I step back into the showroom.

I am slowly coming to accept that cars with formulas like Gen 1 NSX may not come back anymore and this may be Honda's last hurrah before a petrol powered sports car disappear from Honda's line up.


notyper
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 16:19
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silverf16 wrote:
I am only slightly disappointed with the Gen 2. I know I've been more vocal than how I truly feel about this car. Much like my kids, I love them, but I need to point out what areas to improve upon, especially since the NSX is struggling in the market.

It is a good honest video and highlight many good aspects of the car as well as areas which need attention. Watching this video reminds me how much I like this car. If I was to pull the trigger today, the NSX would be the car for me. But I like to see the improvements happen for mid cycle enhancement before I step back into the showroom.

I am slowly coming to accept that cars with formulas like Gen 1 NSX may not come back anymore and this may be Honda's last hurrah before a petrol powered sports car disappear from Honda's line up.




Interesting points. It's getting to be that NC1's are getting cheap enough now (new or used) that the price is coming into alignment with the actual value. A 20k mile NSX for $99k on the used market would be a trigger point for me to actually pick one up. (seeing sub 10k mile examples as low as the high 120's right now).

As I said many times, every car is attractive at the right price.

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s2ktaxi
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 18:46
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there are a number sold/bought new at the end of last year with the huge incentive that made them about $30-35k off MSRP. but that didn't make them fly off the floor either. I agree that $100k is probably about the right price point.
superchg2
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-22-2018 21:16
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15 NSX's sold in August, 21 last August.

Potenza
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-23-2018 02:36
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notyper wrote:
You don't find it interesting that Acura didn't want them comparing the 2? To the point they made it a condition of the test?

No? The cars are separated by nearly 3 decades... what do they have in common with each other? Especially when it comes to reviewers who spend a few moments in each car.

I found it equally cringeworthy when Honda brought an original CRX to a CR-Z event for this exact reason. When you only spend a few minutes in the old machine, it's a laugh riot. Manual steering! Sub-2000 lbs! What an absolute novelty! But that has absolutely nothing to do with the modern market. Put a 1985 CRX back in production today, and you'd have less sales than the RLX, never mind the CR-Z.

Drive a 1998 Integra Type R versus absolutely any modern day car back to back, and the review of the modern car would instantly drop a few notches. Why invite that nonsense?

So I'm glad to see that Honda learned a little something about having journalists compare a few minutes in a manual steering, manual transmission, naturally-aspirated 90's car to those in a modern day hybrid machine, sports car or otherwise. It just has zero relevance.

notyper
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-23-2018 08:11
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Potenza wrote:
notyper wrote:
You don't find it interesting that Acura didn't want them comparing the 2? To the point they made it a condition of the test?

No? The cars are separated by nearly 3 decades... what do they have in common with each other? Especially when it comes to reviewers who spend a few moments in each car.

I found it equally cringeworthy when Honda brought an original CRX to a CR-Z event for this exact reason. When you only spend a few minutes in the old machine, it's a laugh riot. Manual steering! Sub-2000 lbs! What an absolute novelty! But that has absolutely nothing to do with the modern market. Put a 1985 CRX back in production today, and you'd have less sales than the RLX, never mind the CR-Z.

Drive a 1998 Integra Type R versus absolutely any modern day car back to back, and the review of the modern car would instantly drop a few notches. Why invite that nonsense?

So I'm glad to see that Honda learned a little something about having journalists compare a few minutes in a manual steering, manual transmission, naturally-aspirated 90's car to those in a modern day hybrid machine, sports car or otherwise. It just has zero relevance.



I think you're really missing out. Your loss, but allow me to elaborate.

1) When it comes to specialist cars, sharing common traits, call it automotive DNA, across a model evolution, can be very important. Look at Porsche for the best example. It can even be important across a manufacturer's entire range. Honda and BMW for years both maintained a certain DNA in their cars that loyal customers loved. BMW, over the last decade, has lost some of what made them special and I think it shows. One could argue that Honda has lost the plot at times too, but seems to be rediscovering that with the current Accord and Civic (especially CTR). The original NSX embodies that Honda(Acura) DNA that people loved. The new one?

2) If driving an older Honda hurts reviews of modern Hondas, is Honda doing its job? Yes, modern regs make it tougher to recapture that older Honda feel, but shouldn't they try? Especially when it comes to their halo models? Shouldn't a Type-R of any sort be edgy in pursuit of ultimate performance. Shouldn't modern tech be able to give us much of what the older cars did while still maintaining modern safety and emissions?

One of the guys who works for Hondata has 2 DC2 ITRs and a new CTR. When he gets back into the DC2s, he gushes about how great they are. How they're still the best. He loves his CTR. Says its amazing and it hides its weight well, but he says the DC2-R is how its supposed to be.

When an older, slower car with a more finicky powerband and less livability on a day to day basis can evoke that sort of feeling over the fastest FWD Honda (or any maker period) has produced, shouldn't we (Honda) stop and ask, how to we recapture that? I think companies like Porsche and McLaren work hard in that direction. I think BMW is starting to get back on the horse. I haven't driven any of the new Hyundai N models, but they seem to be working in that direction. The new CTR is certainly a push in the right direction for Honda too (I take nothing from Honda on that car). But saying we shouldn't look to the greats from the past as important templates for the future is short sighted IMO.

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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-23-2018 11:10
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notyper wrote:
Potenza wrote:
notyper wrote:
You don't find it interesting that Acura didn't want them comparing the 2? To the point they made it a condition of the test?

No? The cars are separated by nearly 3 decades... what do they have in common with each other? Especially when it comes to reviewers who spend a few moments in each car.

I found it equally cringeworthy when Honda brought an original CRX to a CR-Z event for this exact reason. When you only spend a few minutes in the old machine, it's a laugh riot. Manual steering! Sub-2000 lbs! What an absolute novelty! But that has absolutely nothing to do with the modern market. Put a 1985 CRX back in production today, and you'd have less sales than the RLX, never mind the CR-Z.

Drive a 1998 Integra Type R versus absolutely any modern day car back to back, and the review of the modern car would instantly drop a few notches. Why invite that nonsense?

So I'm glad to see that Honda learned a little something about having journalists compare a few minutes in a manual steering, manual transmission, naturally-aspirated 90's car to those in a modern day hybrid machine, sports car or otherwise. It just has zero relevance.



I think you're really missing out. Your loss, but allow me to elaborate.

1) When it comes to specialist cars, sharing common traits, call it automotive DNA, across a model evolution, can be very important. Look at Porsche for the best example. It can even be important across a manufacturer's entire range. Honda and BMW for years both maintained a certain DNA in their cars that loyal customers loved. BMW, over the last decade, has lost some of what made them special and I think it shows. One could argue that Honda has lost the plot at times too, but seems to be rediscovering that with the current Accord and Civic (especially CTR). The original NSX embodies that Honda(Acura) DNA that people loved. The new one?

2) If driving an older Honda hurts reviews of modern Hondas, is Honda doing its job? Yes, modern regs make it tougher to recapture that older Honda feel, but shouldn't they try? Especially when it comes to their halo models? Shouldn't a Type-R of any sort be edgy in pursuit of ultimate performance. Shouldn't modern tech be able to give us much of what the older cars did while still maintaining modern safety and emissions?

One of the guys who works for Hondata has 2 DC2 ITRs and a new CTR. When he gets back into the DC2s, he gushes about how great they are. How they're still the best. He loves his CTR. Says its amazing and it hides its weight well, but he says the DC2-R is how its supposed to be.

When an older, slower car with a more finicky powerband and less livability on a day to day basis can evoke that sort of feeling over the fastest FWD Honda (or any maker period) has produced, shouldn't we (Honda) stop and ask, how to we recapture that? I think companies like Porsche and McLaren work hard in that direction. I think BMW is starting to get back on the horse. I haven't driven any of the new Hyundai N models, but they seem to be working in that direction. The new CTR is certainly a push in the right direction for Honda too (I take nothing from Honda on that car). But saying we shouldn't look to the greats from the past as important templates for the future is short sighted IMO.

SC


When Honda began developing the Gen II, they might have built a better Supercar if they had stayed away from the Hybrid subtext.
Maybe shoot for a weight of around 3000 lbs. and about 600 horsepower, without the Hybrid complexity.

Grace141
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-23-2018 12:22
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notyper wrote:
Potenza wrote:
notyper wrote:
You don't find it interesting that Acura didn't want them comparing the 2? To the point they made it a condition of the test?

No? The cars are separated by nearly 3 decades... what do they have in common with each other? Especially when it comes to reviewers who spend a few moments in each car.

I found it equally cringeworthy when Honda brought an original CRX to a CR-Z event for this exact reason. When you only spend a few minutes in the old machine, it's a laugh riot. Manual steering! Sub-2000 lbs! What an absolute novelty! But that has absolutely nothing to do with the modern market. Put a 1985 CRX back in production today, and you'd have less sales than the RLX, never mind the CR-Z.

Drive a 1998 Integra Type R versus absolutely any modern day car back to back, and the review of the modern car would instantly drop a few notches. Why invite that nonsense?

So I'm glad to see that Honda learned a little something about having journalists compare a few minutes in a manual steering, manual transmission, naturally-aspirated 90's car to those in a modern day hybrid machine, sports car or otherwise. It just has zero relevance.



I think you're really missing out. Your loss, but allow me to elaborate.

1) When it comes to specialist cars, sharing common traits, call it automotive DNA, across a model evolution, can be very important. Look at Porsche for the best example. It can even be important across a manufacturer's entire range. Honda and BMW for years both maintained a certain DNA in their cars that loyal customers loved. BMW, over the last decade, has lost some of what made them special and I think it shows. One could argue that Honda has lost the plot at times too, but seems to be rediscovering that with the current Accord and Civic (especially CTR). The original NSX embodies that Honda(Acura) DNA that people loved. The new one?

2) If driving an older Honda hurts reviews of modern Hondas, is Honda doing its job? Yes, modern regs make it tougher to recapture that older Honda feel, but shouldn't they try? Especially when it comes to their halo models? Shouldn't a Type-R of any sort be edgy in pursuit of ultimate performance. Shouldn't modern tech be able to give us much of what the older cars did while still maintaining modern safety and emissions?

One of the guys who works for Hondata has 2 DC2 ITRs and a new CTR. When he gets back into the DC2s, he gushes about how great they are. How they're still the best. He loves his CTR. Says its amazing and it hides its weight well, but he says the DC2-R is how its supposed to be.

When an older, slower car with a more finicky powerband and less livability on a day to day basis can evoke that sort of feeling over the fastest FWD Honda (or any maker period) has produced, shouldn't we (Honda) stop and ask, how to we recapture that? I think companies like Porsche and McLaren work hard in that direction. I think BMW is starting to get back on the horse. I haven't driven any of the new Hyundai N models, but they seem to be working in that direction. The new CTR is certainly a push in the right direction for Honda too (I take nothing from Honda on that car). But saying we shouldn't look to the greats from the past as important templates for the future is short sighted IMO.

SC


As long as the bar is set fairly for everyone I guess it makes sense to compare the modern cars against previous generations. I have to ask though if the Porsche sporting DNA is truly, properly infused in any of their modern cars when compared to the turbo 911's of decades ago or the 1970's 911 RS or even the long running 911 SC series or the lovely 356 series of the early days. How about the BMW M-cars of today vs. the original M3 and M5? Are the modern Mustangs really all that appealing when compared to the special ones from the '60s?

I'd much rather have a Boss 429 in the garage than any modern Mustang. If the issue becomes one of drivability on modern roads favoring the current Mustang, which of course it does, then it favors the modern NSX too, which of course it does. What you don't see are 20-something guys with YouTube blogs asking how the current Shelby Mustang compares to a '68 GT500KR or how a 488 GTB compares to a '62 250 GTO or an Audi A4 vs. an Audi Quattro or a current M3 vs. the original M3.

Maybe the Honda Internet Double Standard really is an issue of age with many of the guys posting their comments online truly believing their mom's '93 Prelude S was the best car ever made on the planet and that's all they know. It would explain a lot.

notyper
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-23-2018 16:53
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Grace141 wrote:

As long as the bar is set fairly for everyone I guess it makes sense to compare the modern cars against previous generations. I have to ask though if the Porsche sporting DNA is truly, properly infused in any of their modern cars when compared to the turbo 911's of decades ago or the 1970's 911 RS or even the long running 911 SC series or the lovely 356 series of the early days. How about the BMW M-cars of today vs. the original M3 and M5? Are the modern Mustangs really all that appealing when compared to the special ones from the '60s?

I'd much rather have a Boss 429 in the garage than any modern Mustang. If the issue becomes one of drivability on modern roads favoring the current Mustang, which of course it does, then it favors the modern NSX too, which of course it does. What you don't see are 20-something guys with YouTube blogs asking how the current Shelby Mustang compares to a '68 GT500KR or how a 488 GTB compares to a '62 250 GTO or an Audi A4 vs. an Audi Quattro or a current M3 vs. the original M3.

Maybe the Honda Internet Double Standard really is an issue of age with many of the guys posting their comments online truly believing their mom's '93 Prelude S was the best car ever made on the planet and that's all they know. It would explain a lot.



If you drive a 911 GT3 (particularly the RS), you'll find much of the same DNA as the early cars. I would argue that the flat-6 Caymans capture the early 911 spirit even better (being lighter and lower powered). I'm scheduled to drive a 718 Cayman GTS next month and I can comment more on that car's DNA then. Certainly the mega turbo 911s are a whole different beast, but if you consider them in the context of the original 930 turbo, the DNA is more evident. But Porsche has clearly worked hard to try and keep the lineage intact.

BMW had definitely lost the plot on M-cars. You can make arguments about the E36 and E46, but at least they offered cars like the LTW and CS that tried to maintain that E30 lineage. The E92 though, I think was a mistake. It wasn't a bad car, but it just didn't capture the history of the line. The current M3/M4 are better, and the M2 (and the new M2 competition) are really, really good and are arguably true to the lineage. IMO, the M5 lineup stayed true, with the E34 being a major improvement over the E28, and the E39 being absolutely sublime. The E60 started to have some issues, but it wasn't until the F10 that people began questioning the evolution of the car. I haven't driven the F90 yet but my customers tell me its a big improvement over the F10.

As for the Mustang, well, short of a classic GT350, the modern Mustangs are pretty freakin incredible vs. the classics on almost every level. The engines are of a different feel, being high rpm screamers vs. big displacement torquers, but they pull awesome. Ford has done wonders with the styling. And the weights are similar.

Where newer cars are suffering these days is primarily in steering feel, excessive weight, poor visibility (high beltline), throttle response and generic feeling motors (turbocharged, low rpm, etc.). Those manufacturers that endeavor to address those things will do better IMO.

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fishchan
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Re: 2018 Acura NSX Review - The Best Everyday Supercar    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-23-2018 20:24
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I think the one we really asking the question when is the Type R version coming out?

 
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