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HondaForever
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Autonomous Vehicles Might Drive Cities to Financial Ruin    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2018 19:22
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"The problem, as speaker Nico Larco, director of the Urbanism Next Center at the University of Oregon, explained, is that many cities balance their budgets using money brought in by cars: gas taxes, vehicle registration fees, traffic tickets, and billions of dollars in parking revenue. But driverless cars don't need these things: Many will be electric, will never get a ticket, and can circle the block endlessly rather than park. Because these sources account for somewhere between 15 and 50 percent of city transportation revenue in America, as autonomous vehicles become more common, huge deficits are ahead."

https://www.wired.com/story/autonomous-vehicles-might-drive-cities-to-financial-ruin/

silverf16
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles Might Drive Cities to Financial Ruin    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2018 23:00
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No problem - Government always finds a way to collect. Road use fees/toll in metropolitan areas and tax imposed on fuel/electricity. Don't you worry about cities going broke. They will find new ways.
HondaForever
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles Might Drive Cities to Financial Ruin    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2018 23:29
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silverf16 wrote:
No problem - Government always finds a way to collect. Road use fees/toll in metropolitan areas and tax imposed on fuel/electricity. Don't you worry about cities going broke. They will find new ways.

From the same article:

"But many states, urged on by auto manufacturers, won't let cities take these steps. Several have already acted to block local policies regulating self-driving cars. Michigan, for example, does not allow Detroit, a short drive away from that Ann Arbor ballroom, to make any rules about driverless cars."

So it's not so clear cut...

Power Of Dreams
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles Might Drive Cities to Financial Ruin    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2018 18:47
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Good ol' urbanism. I know someone, whose ideology I despise but I get along well enough with and I went to his meeting on urbanism. He ran away from my question about how poor people can benefit from urbanism if they can't afford to live in those neighborhoods or the real-life practicality of it.

I hope this autonomous vehicle fad dies quickly.

DannyB
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles Might Drive Cities to Financial Ruin    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-11-2018 09:29
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Power Of Dreams wrote:
Good ol' urbanism. I know someone, whose ideology I despise but I get along well enough with and I went to his meeting on urbanism. He ran away from my question about how poor people can benefit from urbanism if they can't afford to live in those neighborhoods or the real-life practicality of it.

I hope this autonomous vehicle fad dies quickly.


Autonomous cars are most certainly not a fad. They are the future.

cksi1372
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles Might Drive Cities to Financial Ruin    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-11-2018 09:58
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HondaForever wrote:
silverf16 wrote:
No problem - Government always finds a way to collect. Road use fees/toll in metropolitan areas and tax imposed on fuel/electricity. Don't you worry about cities going broke. They will find new ways.

From the same article:

"But many states, urged on by auto manufacturers, won't let cities take these steps. Several have already acted to block local policies regulating self-driving cars. Michigan, for example, does not allow Detroit, a short drive away from that Ann Arbor ballroom, to make any rules about driverless cars."

So it's not so clear cut...



Cities, local municipalities, etc. have the power to tax and charge fees, so the article is pretty much wrong. That is not "regulating" self-driving cars. See Philly and NYC soda taxes, as an example.

As silver said, governments (Fed, ST, local) will ALWAYS find a way to collect their "fair share".

NSXman
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles Might Drive Cities to Financial Ruin    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-11-2018 11:32
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Power Of Dreams wrote:
Good ol' urbanism. I know someone, whose ideology I despise but I get along well enough with and I went to his meeting on urbanism. He ran away from my question about how poor people can benefit from urbanism if they can't afford to live in those neighborhoods or the real-life practicality of it.

I hope this autonomous vehicle fad dies quickly.


Autonomous cars are most certainly not a fad. They are the future.



I personally think that remains to be seen. Who is really pushing for the tech? Is it the free market? Or is it government? Maybe a little of both?

If its the free market, I think autonomous vehicles will fall into place and become part of a group of cars, like airport shuttles, delivery vehicles, etc.

If it is the government, then I think it will get pushed to the point that the expense will push many out of the ownership bracket as price will force them into ride shares.

My $0.02 is that the aspect that is free market has heard about the tech and thinks it is neat, but has no idea of the price tag that comes with it. In that regard, it will be a fad.

Mikgtir
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles Might Drive Cities to Financial Ruin    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-11-2018 17:36
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Big issue for government is the future lack of fines/tickets income...
lexusgs
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Re: Autonomous Vehicles Might Drive Cities to Financial Ruin    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-11-2018 20:25
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DannyB wrote:
Power Of Dreams wrote:
Good ol' urbanism. I know someone, whose ideology I despise but I get along well enough with and I went to his meeting on urbanism. He ran away from my question about how poor people can benefit from urbanism if they can't afford to live in those neighborhoods or the real-life practicality of it.

I hope this autonomous vehicle fad dies quickly.


Autonomous cars are most certainly not a fad. They are the future.



I would not say autonomous cars are certainly the future. I don't think the public is pushing for them, it is mainly govt. and car makers, it is still expensive clumsy technology so far that has claimed a few lives and caused several accidents. All it takes is another high profile accident or two for the public to turn against it and want it off the roads. I think better accident avoidance tech and smarter cruise control with people still basically driving the vehicle will be the future while full autonomous tech that does not need a driver will be reserved mainly for people with disabilities and other rare cases.


 
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