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JeffX
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Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-04-2018 17:30
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I spent the better part of the day on Monday with the personnel of a local Honda dealer. The service guys were half jokingly complaining that they're "out of the transmission business" because the CVTs so far have been dead reliable.

Maybe they got used to billing a lot of hours for the failing 5ATs in the '00s.

Just an anecdote I found interesting. The same guys also told me they had the very first turbocharger failure that they've seen since Honda went with the turbos almost 3 years ago. Apparently the car was still running fine but it was making a hell of a noise and they found out that one or more of the impeller blades had broken.

revvin
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-04-2018 20:24
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Good to know, since the very nature of the CVT makes me distrust it.

Anything about direct injection carbon build up?

High pressure fuel injectors?

fishchan
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-04-2018 20:48
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A lot of the original CVT problems are using the wrong CVTF. The CVTs after that I haven't heard of any problems either.
Mikgtir
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-05-2018 05:33
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This is the kind of situation called:

Between "the knife and the wall" kind of...


Mikgtir
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-05-2018 08:07
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Mixed the pages... was meant to be posted in McLaren thread (Boulier)
HondaForever
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-05-2018 14:09
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JeffX wrote:
I spent the better part of the day on Monday with the personnel of a local Honda dealer. The service guys were half jokingly complaining that they're "out of the transmission business" because the CVTs so far have been dead reliable.

Maybe they got used to billing a lot of hours for the failing 5ATs in the '00s.

Just an anecdote I found interesting. The same guys also told me they had the very first turbocharger failure that they've seen since Honda went with the turbos almost 3 years ago. Apparently the car was still running fine but it was making a hell of a noise and they found out that one or more of the impeller blades had broken.


Would this also be an indication that, so far (~ 3 years), the 9 speeds have also been very reliable? Jerky under some conditions, perhaps, but maybe reliable, as in not failing at an extraordinary rate?

Jovian8
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-05-2018 14:13
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fishchan wrote:
A lot of the original CVT problems are using the wrong CVTF. The CVTs after that I haven't heard of any problems either.


fishchan ... here is a horror story to match your point...

https://www.autotrader.ca/newsfeatures/20180614/goof-of-the-month-red-fluid-destroys-transmission/

Chris_6MT
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-05-2018 19:37
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Jovian8 wrote:
fishchan wrote:
A lot of the original CVT problems are using the wrong CVTF. The CVTs after that I haven't heard of any problems either.


fishchan ... here is a horror story to match your point...

https://www.autotrader.ca/newsfeatures/20180614/goof-of-the-month-red-fluid-destroys-transmission/



Is the part about the equipment needed for CVT fluid replacement true? I didn’t realize CVT’s actually needed to be flushed and couldn’t just be drained and refilled

User2012
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-06-2018 12:12
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The 9 speed has had terrible reliability so bad that Honda extended the warranty on them to 10 years.
superchg2
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-06-2018 12:30
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User2012 wrote:
The 9 speed has had terrible reliability so bad that Honda extended the warranty on them to 10 years.

They need to stop buying those trannys and install their own 10 speed.

gofast182
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-06-2018 13:18
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superchg2 wrote:
User2012 wrote:
The 9 speed has had terrible reliability so bad that Honda extended the warranty on them to 10 years.

They need to stop buying those trannys and install their own 10 speed.


For the life of me, I can't understand why Honda couldn't/didn't terminate for cause when it comes to any contract or purchase order they had with ZF for that dumpster fire of a transmission. It has unquestionably caused damage to their goodwill, resale values, repair/replacement costs, recalls, etc. I think the press, dealers, and customers would've rejoiced at a return to the 6AT in 2016 while they brought the 10AT to production-readiness in 2017 as a 2018 model.

DCR
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-06-2018 13:41
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I was actually digging around awhile ago for who made the CVT in my wife's Murano. Honda looks like the only one that makes their own?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatco

http://www.wardsauto.com/industry/jatco-geared-meet-growing-global-cvt-demand


superchg2
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-06-2018 13:43
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gofast182 wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
User2012 wrote:
The 9 speed has had terrible reliability so bad that Honda extended the warranty on them to 10 years.

They need to stop buying those trannys and install their own 10 speed.


For the life of me, I can't understand why Honda couldn't/didn't terminate for cause when it comes to any contract or purchase order they had with ZF for that dumpster fire of a transmission. It has unquestionably caused damage to their goodwill, resale values, repair/replacement costs, recalls, etc. I think the press, dealers, and customers would've rejoiced at a return to the 6AT in 2016 while they brought the 10AT to production-readiness in 2017 as a 2018 model.


Sometimes, it seems that Honda/Acura is a little too steadfast in the content of their products, even at MMC's, especially when there are clearly superior solutions staring them in the face, right on their shelf.

The craptastic 9 speed with the dogleg is one example, and the Si with the underwhelming 1.5t instead of the 2.0t is another, not to mention the HRV carrying on with its turtle paced 1.8, instead of the 1.5t.



gofast182
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-06-2018 14:46
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DCR wrote:
I was actually digging around awhile ago for who made the CVT in my wife's Murano. Honda looks like the only one that makes their own?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatco

http://www.wardsauto.com/industry/jatco-geared-meet-growing-global-cvt-demand



My understanding as well. Jatco and Aisin are the big CVT suppliers for other automakers. Honda is one of the few automakers left who makes their own transmissions, be they CVT, manual, or conventional automatics.

superchg2
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-06-2018 15:23
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gofast182 wrote:
DCR wrote:
I was actually digging around awhile ago for who made the CVT in my wife's Murano. Honda looks like the only one that makes their own?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatco

http://www.wardsauto.com/industry/jatco-geared-meet-growing-global-cvt-demand



My understanding as well. Jatco and Aisin are the big CVT suppliers for other automakers. Honda is one of the few automakers left who makes their own transmissions, be they CVT, manual, or conventional automatics.


GM and Ford went together jointly on their 10 speed automatic.

KaizenDo
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-07-2018 04:54
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It seems Honda found the exact balance for belt strength, oil lubrication, pulley pressure and ECU gear control. As DCR already mentioned, Honda makes their CVT belts and transmissions in house, while Toyota group relies on AISIN and Nissan + Suzuki get theirs from JATCO. Subaru is getting their CVT Chain from LUK in Germany.
Gfn8r
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-07-2018 17:32
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As I stated in a post on the Accord board, the CVT and the 1.5T are a damn-near perfect match for one another. The transmission just works, and works well!
superchg2
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-07-2018 17:42
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Gfn8r wrote:
As I stated in a post on the Accord board, the CVT and the 1.5T are a damn-near perfect match for one another. The transmission just works, and works well!

Why they don't put this combo into the MMC HRV makes no sense.

DannyB
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-10-2018 14:30
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superchg2 wrote:
Gfn8r wrote:
As I stated in a post on the Accord board, the CVT and the 1.5T are a damn-near perfect match for one another. The transmission just works, and works well!

Why they don't put this combo into the MMC HRV makes no sense.


I suspect they don't want to make the HDV too appealing to compete with the CRV.

I'm very curious to see what engine they end up putting in the next Fit and HRV. 1.3T?

DannyB
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-10-2018 14:30
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superchg2 wrote:
Gfn8r wrote:
As I stated in a post on the Accord board, the CVT and the 1.5T are a damn-near perfect match for one another. The transmission just works, and works well!

Why they don't put this combo into the MMC HRV makes no sense.


I suspect they don't want to make the HDV too appealing to compete with the CRV.

I'm very curious to see what engine they end up putting in the next Fit and HRV. 1.3T?

CarPhreakD
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-10-2018 15:08
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revvin wrote:
Good to know, since the very nature of the CVT makes me distrust it.

Anything about direct injection carbon build up?

High pressure fuel injectors?



You can search the forums, but anecdotally, I've had to review a few wrecked Accord DI engines from last gen and I still haven't seen any carbon buildup. The PCV system in those vehicles work perfectly fine, although I'm still kind of dubious about how effective Honda's weird "tying the PCV tube to a coolant tube" thing works.

chhan02
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-10-2018 16:14
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Family had a Civic HX with the CVT. It had 270k miles on it before selling it. Didn't show any signs of it failing either.
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-10-2018 23:58
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DannyB wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
Gfn8r wrote:
As I stated in a post on the Accord board, the CVT and the 1.5T are a damn-near perfect match for one another. The transmission just works, and works well!

Why they don't put this combo into the MMC HRV makes no sense.


I suspect they don't want to make the HDV too appealing to compete with the CRV.

I'm very curious to see what engine they end up putting in the next Fit and HRV. 1.3T?



Yeah, I doubt that.

First, the HR-V is woefully underpowered.

Second, based on size alone, the HR-V just doesn't come close to competing with the CR-V.

owequitit
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-11-2018 00:05
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revvin wrote:
Good to know, since the very nature of the CVT makes me distrust it.

Anything about direct injection carbon build up?

High pressure fuel injectors?



You can search the forums, but anecdotally, I've had to review a few wrecked Accord DI engines from last gen and I still haven't seen any carbon buildup. The PCV system in those vehicles work perfectly fine, although I'm still kind of dubious about how effective Honda's weird "tying the PCV tube to a coolant tube" thing works.



Are you talking about like a joined metal pipe that carries both?

If so, IIRC, the 1990-1993 Accord used to do that. Granted, different operating circumstances.

Gfn8r
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-11-2018 12:17
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How small has Honda gone with the turbos? 1.0 maybe? (I thought Ford went that small on the Fiesta.)

Restless
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-11-2018 12:37
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In Europe the Mondeo is sold with 1.0T
CarPhreakD
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Re: Apparently Honda CVTs are quite reliable so far    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-11-2018 15:38
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owequitit wrote:
CarPhreakD wrote:
revvin wrote:
Good to know, since the very nature of the CVT makes me distrust it.

Anything about direct injection carbon build up?

High pressure fuel injectors?



You can search the forums, but anecdotally, I've had to review a few wrecked Accord DI engines from last gen and I still haven't seen any carbon buildup. The PCV system in those vehicles work perfectly fine, although I'm still kind of dubious about how effective Honda's weird "tying the PCV tube to a coolant tube" thing works.



Are you talking about like a joined metal pipe that carries both?

If so, IIRC, the 1990-1993 Accord used to do that. Granted, different operating circumstances.



Yes, many, if not all Hondas have carried some variation of this even to today. As far as I know, they are the only ones who have always done this whereas other OEMs use all kinds of other solutions (meaning, I'm not sure if it even makes a difference or they're doing it "just because"), making this a weird Honda engineering quirk.


 
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