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Nick GravesX
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-16-2018 07:40
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Kaizen, you'd be better off on one of the BL-Rover forums I visit, where the humour is extremely brutal and very definitely post-PC.

German car industries are now collectively known as 'Monkey-gassers', for example.

Whereas the younger Germans have come to terms with the past and forgiven themselves for the sins of their forebears, the background to Pearl Harbour is still rather controversial (there is some evidence the 'revenge' was planned well beforehand) and thus the Americans may not be on the same page as the rest of us.

Anyway, I'm sure the European sheeple will continue to buy your country's Sd. e-Kfz. in preference to any Mitsubishi Zero-emissions Vehicles for the foreseeable, even if they are sub-standard.

KaizenDo
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-17-2018 05:52
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Hmm, that sounds just the right forum to be Nick :D

While i don't doubt there are still enough lobotomized VW fans (just as Tesla zealots), I have my doubts their Kradschmiede can still go on the way they used to be. We're getting Dieselbans now city by city, street by street. Based on that enforced emission regulations, it's quite possible that direct injected gasoline cars without particle filters might be banned too somewhen soon.

The fun doesn't end there though, I'm looking forward to see the effects of gasoline particle filters in the long run. Experiences with DPFs showed, that if you don't run them regularily on long distance travels on the Autobahn, they'll clog and cause damage to EGR systems with expensive repairs. There are many buyers of DI gasoline cars, who only run short distances. I can see an scenario, where some people really getting bichslapped for buying "Monkey-gassers" again.

bigblue
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-17-2018 08:43
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Ignorance alert (on my part) ... doesn't everyone do DI petrol engines these days ? And every manufacturer would be forced by legislation to meet the same regulations, likely with much the same technology ?
KaizenDo
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-17-2018 15:30
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Nope, not everyone does. Toyota is using multi port injection for a lot of it's hybrids and smaller vehicles still. Honda is using MPI for the 1.3L engine in the Fit, as well as the 1.5L Hybrid engine in Japan. According to Euro 6 emission testing, direct injected cars have to get below a certain threshold in particle mass and particle number in order to be approved.

See Euro emission norms

German and European makers are introducing particle filters and throw out older vehicles from their lineup. Mazda stated, they can accomplish this goal without particle filters but with new injectors, higher pressure and different shaped cylinder. Toyota said something similar with their D-4S System. I dunno Honda's stance on this.

Nick GravesX
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-18-2018 06:58
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Hey, Kaep'n Schadenfreude,

Stadtler's been arrested now. Waldorf is said to have fled to South America...

Dren
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-18-2018 07:34
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Nick GravesX wrote:
Whereas the younger Germans have come to terms with the past and forgiven themselves for the sins of their forebears, the background to Pearl Harbour is still rather controversial (there is some evidence the 'revenge' was planned well beforehand) and thus the Americans may not be on the same page as the rest of us.



The bait (Pearl Harbor) was set on purpose and the Japanese took it.

BG
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-18-2018 07:56
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KaizenDo wrote:
Nope, not everyone does. Toyota is using multi port injection for a lot of it's hybrids and smaller vehicles still. Honda is using MPI for the 1.3L engine in the Fit, as well as the 1.5L Hybrid engine in Japan. According to Euro 6 emission testing, direct injected cars have to get below a certain threshold in particle mass and particle number in order to be approved.

See Euro emission norms

German and European makers are introducing particle filters and throw out older vehicles from their lineup. Mazda stated, they can accomplish this goal without particle filters but with new injectors, higher pressure and different shaped cylinder. Toyota said something similar with their D-4S System. I dunno Honda's stance on this.




I've been reading about gasoline particulate filters and a lot of OEM switching to these for tackling emissions. They just work as a normal catalytic convertor so no extra burning needed and no pee juice either.

danielgr
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-18-2018 08:17
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Some stuff, like wars, you rather don't touch unless you are in a forum about history or neutral ground.

Bringing that stuff in here certainly helps noone.

CarPhreakD
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-18-2018 10:22
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BG wrote:
KaizenDo wrote:
Nope, not everyone does. Toyota is using multi port injection for a lot of it's hybrids and smaller vehicles still. Honda is using MPI for the 1.3L engine in the Fit, as well as the 1.5L Hybrid engine in Japan. According to Euro 6 emission testing, direct injected cars have to get below a certain threshold in particle mass and particle number in order to be approved.

See Euro emission norms

German and European makers are introducing particle filters and throw out older vehicles from their lineup. Mazda stated, they can accomplish this goal without particle filters but with new injectors, higher pressure and different shaped cylinder. Toyota said something similar with their D-4S System. I dunno Honda's stance on this.




I've been reading about gasoline particulate filters and a lot of OEM switching to these for tackling emissions. They just work as a normal catalytic convertor so no extra burning needed and no pee juice either.



Gasoline particulate filters can be integrated as a layer in the catalyst. It's about an extra 20 to 30 bucks at this point, and unlike diesel particulate filters they don't clog, nor do they require anything other than exhaust heat to regenerate. But as JihadDo is clumsily trying to explain, you can prevent a lot of particulates in the meantime by suspending gasoline in air as it is ignited; in naturally aspirated applications particulates are mostly formed by a poor mixture in the combustion chamber where gasoline droplets get the chance to coalesce and settle.

KaizenDo
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-18-2018 14:37
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Nick GravesX wrote:
Hey, Kaep'n Schadenfreude,

Stadtler's been arrested now. Waldorf is said to have fled to South America...



Check the News from Europe thread. Stadler has been reportedly taken custody in a BMW. His last words - "Do scheppert nix" :D

KaizenDo
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-18-2018 14:43
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CarPhreakD wrote:
BG wrote:
KaizenDo wrote:
Nope, not everyone does. Toyota is using multi port injection for a lot of it's hybrids and smaller vehicles still. Honda is using MPI for the 1.3L engine in the Fit, as well as the 1.5L Hybrid engine in Japan. According to Euro 6 emission testing, direct injected cars have to get below a certain threshold in particle mass and particle number in order to be approved.

See Euro emission norms

German and European makers are introducing particle filters and throw out older vehicles from their lineup. Mazda stated, they can accomplish this goal without particle filters but with new injectors, higher pressure and different shaped cylinder. Toyota said something similar with their D-4S System. I dunno Honda's stance on this.




I've been reading about gasoline particulate filters and a lot of OEM switching to these for tackling emissions. They just work as a normal catalytic convertor so no extra burning needed and no pee juice either.



Gasoline particulate filters can be integrated as a layer in the catalyst. It's about an extra 20 to 30 bucks at this point, and unlike diesel particulate filters they don't clog, nor do they require anything other than exhaust heat to regenerate. But as JihadDo is clumsily trying to explain, you can prevent a lot of particulates in the meantime by suspending gasoline in air as it is ignited; in naturally aspirated applications particulates are mostly formed by a poor mixture in the combustion chamber where gasoline droplets get the chance to coalesce and settle.



Thankfully by now we know who's the real Jihadist, desperatley trying to provoke.

KaizenDo
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-18-2018 15:09
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BG wrote:
KaizenDo wrote:
Nope, not everyone does. Toyota is using multi port injection for a lot of it's hybrids and smaller vehicles still. Honda is using MPI for the 1.3L engine in the Fit, as well as the 1.5L Hybrid engine in Japan. According to Euro 6 emission testing, direct injected cars have to get below a certain threshold in particle mass and particle number in order to be approved.

See Euro emission norms

German and European makers are introducing particle filters and throw out older vehicles from their lineup. Mazda stated, they can accomplish this goal without particle filters but with new injectors, higher pressure and different shaped cylinder. Toyota said something similar with their D-4S System. I dunno Honda's stance on this.




I've been reading about gasoline particulate filters and a lot of OEM switching to these for tackling emissions. They just work as a normal catalytic convertor so no extra burning needed and no pee juice either.



I have read similar things as for example this:
The Gasoline Particle Filter

However, there is something that makes me suspicious - and that's the question who is making such studies? In this case the AECC?

On their website https://www.aecc.eu/about-aecc/ you'll find the following:
AECC (the Association for Emissions Control by Catalyst) is the international, Brussels-based association of European companies making emissions control technologies for engine exhaust and was first set up in 1978. We are a non-profit organisation with a scientific purpose.

The members of AECC are companies operating worldwide in the research, development, testing and manufacture of key technologies for emissions control. Their products are the ceramic substrates for catalysts and filters; catalysts (substrates with catalytic materials incorporated or coated); adsorbers; filter-based technologies to control engine particulate emissions; and speciality materials incorporated into the catalyst or filter.


Since these people are selling the filter products themselves, I'm wondering if there are also downsides which they don't tell you about.

notyper
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Re: Here they come...    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-18-2018 22:31
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KaizenDo wrote:


Thankfully by now we know who's the real Jihadist, desperatley trying to provoke.



And "pot calling kettle black" suddenly seems insufficient....

What a twat you are KaizenDo. After the way you started this thread, you accuse others of trying to provoke?

SC


 
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