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Clarity PHEV First Drive    (Score: 1, Normal) 02-05-2018 11:40
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Honda had a Clarity PHEV test drive event at my local mall, Irvine Spectrum, so that is my first time getting to actually drive or sit in one. The test drive was just side streets, no freeway. It reminded me of my friends fathers Cadillac from the mid 1980s, but in a great way. Performance isn't slow or fast, but more than adequate. The ride isn't sporty, but not sloppy either, just pleasant. The interior seemed super nice in texture, thought, fit... Hard to imagine anyone sitting in the Touring and not being impressed. I like accelerating out of corners, as it is one of the few fun times in driving, and there was no squealing around like I expected or body roll.

It surpassed my expectations by a large margin. I thought the cell phone pockets for the rear passengers was a gimmick. but its really comfortable to take your phone out of your pocket and then its right there when you want it. I won't actually be in my own backseat, but its something smart Honda has done. Smart cupholders up front, and the rear ones have a cover.

I am pretty geeked up to get one now. I wish it had electric folding mirrors and blind spot alerts, but overall it fits my needs very well, even if it is much longer than I want.

My commute is less than two miles to the freeway - EV mode - 35 miles freeway at 80mph most of the way (5am) so hybrid mode - 4 miles city streets -EV mode. There is a charge station with a 4 minute walk to my office, so I could fully charge for the much more arduous ride home of horrible traffic on all roads - EV maybe 80% of the drive. And then at least a 10 minute savings by having access to the HOV lanes in a particular stretch of road (the 20% hybrid). CMBS keeping me from slamming into the car in front of me takes some stress away as well.

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Re: Clarity PHEV First Week    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-24-2018 09:59
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I am leasing a Clarity Touring - in Crimson to match my eyes. I have only had it for part of a week commuting 40 miles each way to work. So far 230 miles and have not used any gasoline. The 47 mile EV range must be an average, because I have gotten into work with 38% of the battery left. This is 5am-6am commute of pretty much cruising 70-80 mph for about 35 miles of the 40.

So week 1 was to learn the car and see its limits on EV, but I learned the EV public charger closest to work is also one of the most expensive. This result is $4.16 to recharge the battery when I arrive after driving 40 miles. Actually more expensive than gasoline. The issue is it takes 2+ hours to recharge and not only is the electric 30 cents per kWh (its 13 cents at home), the city charges 55 cents an hour to park and use the charger. Basically I need 10 kWh which is a $1.30 at home, and $4.16 at work.

So will see if I don't charge it at work how the commute home goes, but I am waiting for the HOV stickers which will change everything on the way home. I would like to run the engine. At this point I don't know if it works. :)

The next issue is charging from 9pm, when the rate goes down, to 5 am will not fully charge the battery. I get to work on the charge, but then pay more at the public charger for a more drained battery ($5.00 on that experiment). :( This is a USA problem because our homes have 120volt, and only have 240v for dryers and stoves. I do have an open dryer plug, but the previous owner put in a swimming pool and used that breaker for the pool pump, so it is a dead plug. My neighbors had an electrician put in a 240v plug in their garage for just $300 bucks, which will solve my being able to fully charge over night. Maybe he can use the existing line to the dryer plug? Beats me, but it is an a good spot to get access to either car parked in the garage.

The plan is to not charge at work and arrive home with a depleted battery (17 kWh) that can be charge with the new 240v plug and and a $239 240v charger cable from Amazon.

All of the these unknowns are why I wanted to lease and not buy, BUT I will say at least in California the Clarity is the bargain of a lifetime. $36,600 for touring edition, car is selling below MSRP, $7500 Federal tax credit due to the large 17 kWh battery and $1500 from the State of California if you keep it for 3 years. Its sort of loaded Civic priced.

The last part is our electric company Southern California Edison (SCE) has 6 different plans to choose. There is an EV plan, but it requires the customer paying for a separate meter to be installed just for the EV charging. Their www estimates a $1500 installation. No thanks. So come May I will be paying very little to charge over night, but a lot to run my A/C during the day (which I don't use that often). I really don't know how this will all work out.

You will download Hondalink to monitor your car charging and you can limit the car to start charging at specific times to take advantage of cheaper electricity. You no longer need those expensive charging stations, the car takes care of the computing you just need a plug. Also, there are two major EV charging companies, EVGO which I have not used, and Chargepoint. Both have their own apps which tell you where public chargers are and you pay by waving your phone in front of the charger and using Apple Pay. The last one is PlugShare which shows you ALL chargers, prices, reviews... What I am learning is you really want to charge at home and running a bit of gasoline is cheaper than public charging by my work.




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Re: Clarity PHEV First Week    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-24-2018 10:42
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Hey congrats on getting the Clarity!! I saw one on the road just yesterday actually - itís easier on the eyes while in motion.

The range sounds really good and it seems like getting a 240 volt outlet would be well worth the money. Amazing that you havenít used the engine at all yet.

GoFaster
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Re: Clarity PHEV Second Week    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-27-2018 10:21
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This week I have used the engine more on the freeway getting into work, so I can avoid the expensive EV charger near work. I arrived at 79% battery remaining this morning, which is more than enough to get home entirely EV in the much thicker afternoon traffic.

There is an HV button which makes the car drive like a more conventional hybrid, instead of more like an EV, deciding when to use gas or battery or to put electricity back to the battery. There is a nice graphic to watch the computers decide what to do.

I cannot feel any switching between gas and battery and I can't even hear anything any different. A youtuber says Honda has put a clear sound deadening layer in the side glass. If you look down at a partially opened window it looks like he is right. Rubbing my finger on the rim it feels like something sandwiched between two layers of glass. I find it a very quiet car. As far as the CVT goes, it seems to work really well in this car to deliver a nice easy feeling. I would probably have hated this sedate nature in my 20s, but now I am listening to easy Jazz (Wave HD2 for those in S.Cal) and enjoying the experience. Itís not a slow car; itís just enough. The other part I find really well done is the dynamic steering, which is very boosted in parking lots, yet firm and responsive on the freeway. Best of both worlds.

Early in ownership, errr leasership, but this car is amazingly put together. Not a shake, squeak, rattle, the modern drive train is an absolute delight, very nice interior, and itís engaging in new ways. In particular it has paddles, where transmission paddles normally go, but instead they increase or decrease the amount of regeneration which slows down the car without actually using the brake pads (reduces wear and tear). Pull the left a few times to slow down quicker and generate more electricity, and then pull the right to let the car coast more. Interesting to see how often you can get away with not using the brakes. I donít know if the people behind me are getting ďbrakeĒ lights or not as I slow down (itís a somewhat gradual slowdown).

Still waiting for the HOV stickers, which is where my big payoff will start. I will be at 500 miles when I get home and still have well over half the 7 gallons of gas that came with the car.

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Re: Clarity PHEV Second Week    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-27-2018 13:06
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Thanks for the updates. I spend quite a bit of time in SoCal and am looking into leasing a Clarity as well so your posts are much appreciated.

I know it's only been 2 weeks into ownership but I did want to ask:

1. Do you find the engine to drone when merging onto the freeway?
2. How easy is it to clean the suede fabric on the dash? (Dog likes to sneeze everywhere in the car)
3. Does the brake pedal feel normal?

We'll most likely be switching to So Cal Edison's TOU plan so that'll be interesting to see what our electric bills come to.

JeffX
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Re: Clarity PHEV Second Week    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-27-2018 13:22
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jlin583 wrote:
Thanks for the updates. I spend quite a bit of time in SoCal and am looking into leasing a Clarity as well so your posts are much appreciated.

I know it's only been 2 weeks into ownership but I did want to ask:

1. Do you find the engine to drone when merging onto the freeway?
2. How easy is it to clean the suede fabric on the dash? (Dog likes to sneeze everywhere in the car)
3. Does the brake pedal feel normal?

We'll most likely be switching to So Cal Edison's TOU plan so that'll be interesting to see what our electric bills come to.




I don't own one but I've spent a fair bit of time driving several Clarity PHEVs (as well as the Fuel Cell, and to a lesser extent the BEV variant).

1. if you have sufficient battery charge you can merge in full EV mode with no engine sound. If you're in a real hurry it will kick the engine in to give you a boost over the 100kW that the battery can deliver. If you go full throttle and the engine zings up there is a bit of a drone as that little 1.5 cranks away, but it shouldn't persist for very long unless you're attempting a flying mile pass.

2. I can't directly answer that with any certainty but I think you'll probably want to try to avoid that situation haha. Maybe some sort of scotchguard treatment would help with cleanup.

3. I think Honda does a rather swell job with the brake feel on these cars which do the re-gen dance. In the experience that I've had with the PHEV it was fine.



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Re: Clarity PHEV Second Week    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-27-2018 23:48
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Good to hear on points 1 & 3. Itís still up in the air if itíll be the Clarity PHEV or Accord Hybrid but I guess weíll find out after the test drive. As for my dog, scotchguard does sound like the most logical option. That or keeping the windows down all the time, lol.

Curious, does Honda have any recommendations for long term storage (4+ months) of hybrids? I donít think trickle chargers would work in this situation and the only thing I found online was to basically have someone start and run your car for 30 minutes every 90 days.

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Re: Clarity PHEV Second Week    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-28-2018 00:01
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Good to hear on points 1 & 3. Itís still up in the air if itíll be the Clarity PHEV or Accord Hybrid but I guess weíll find out after the test drive. As for my dog, scotchguard does sound like the most logical option. That or keeping the windows down all the time, lol.

Curious, does Honda have any recommendations for long term storage (4+ months) of hybrids? I donít think trickle chargers would work in this situation and the only thing I found online was to basically have someone start and run your car for 30 minutes every 90 days.



I guess with a plugin it wouldn't be too much of an issue, if you just left it plugged into the mains. It would be nice if you could programmatically instruct it to cease charging once the battery reaches 80%, and then only start refreshing it once it dips below a number of your choosing.

As for a hybrid, that's a really good question. Trickle chargers wouldn't be of any help at all as they would only address the 12V circuit.

GoFaster
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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-11-2018 12:05
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I am commuting 3 days a week and working from home 2 days a week on average. They Clarity PHEV is at 953 miles and still has about 2 gallons of the original gasoline left, based on the car saying it has 89 miles of gasoline range left. This means I will go over 1,000 miles on the gas that came with the car.

I still haven't put a Level 2 charger in the garage. I spent some time learning about electricity on youtube to try to keep an electrician from burning down my house. The basics of my situation are I have an old dryer plug with a NEMA 10-30 125/250v 30A receptacle which has no power going to it, as a previous owner used that breaker to power to pool equipment. My wife contacted a handyman who said he would tap into that power for the existing plug. I told her we need an actual electrician to make sure its safe.

All of the slots in the panel are filled, so do I need a sub panel, do I need this or that...All I have is a general knowledge to talk to the electrician and as long as he is willing to pull permits I am good.

I am writing this for anyone in North America thinking about getting a plug in. Other parts of the world don't have these issues. Depending on what the electrician can do I have several options for 240v charging cables on Amazon:
Charging cable has not been ordered but considering
Zencar 240v 16A NEMA 10-30 $219.99
Zencar 240v 16A NEMA 14-30 $259.99
Maxgreen 240v 16A/24A/32A NEMA 14-50 $449.99 Adjustable current
MUSTART 240v 32A NEMA 14-50 $399.99
ClipperCreek 240v 32A NEMA 14-50 $589.00 (Made in USA, 3 year warranty, NEC 625)

Also here is information on all of the differenct 240v plug configurations. I knew nothing about this stuff going in.

The good news is the charger near my work was 30cents a kWh + 55 cents an hour parking fee. This week I used it and its now 25 cents a kWh and no parking fee. That makes a one way trip of 40 miles cost about $2.50 in electricity, which is much less than a gallon of 87 octane in Los Angeles ($3.49 at a cheap station). Charging at home costs $1.20.

What this means is I will go back to all electric commutes, where I had switched to hybrid mode on the freeway to avoid the previously too expensive public charger. Anyone know when gasoline goes bad? I need to consider not filling the tank, but just having enough for a reserve, since I could be months between using 7 gallons.


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Re: Clarity PHEV Second Week    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-15-2018 20:24
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jlin583 wrote:
Good to hear on points 1 & 3. Itís still up in the air if itíll be the Clarity PHEV or Accord Hybrid but I guess weíll find out after the test drive. As for my dog, scotchguard does sound like the most logical option. That or keeping the windows down all the time, lol.

Curious, does Honda have any recommendations for long term storage (4+ months) of hybrids? I donít think trickle chargers would work in this situation and the only thing I found online was to basically have someone start and run your car for 30 minutes every 90 days.



I guess with a plugin it wouldn't be too much of an issue, if you just left it plugged into the mains. It would be nice if you could programmatically instruct it to cease charging once the battery reaches 80%, and then only start refreshing it once it dips below a number of your choosing.

As for a hybrid, that's a really good question. Trickle chargers wouldn't be of any help at all as they would only address the 12V circuit.



We might need to merge these two forums....

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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-16-2018 09:31
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Clarity is now at 1,009 miles and still on the 7 gallons of gasoline that came with the car. Also my electric company is going to give me $450 for having purchased a PHEV. Being on this end of wealth redistribution feels strange. I am used to earning what I get.

When calling about this they were hinting that perhaps I should wait until June to upgrade my home charging abilities. More incentives coming. To get the best rates for electricity a second meter dedicated to only charging vehicles has to be installed, and their estimate is it costing as much as $1,500. Will this be the incentive? I think so, because on my cul-de-sac of 14 homes the newest cars are a VW Golf EV, Tesla EV, my Clarity PHEV, Tesla Model 3, and for some reason an absolutely huge Cadillac Escalade ESV. It's a small school bus. So, I think the electric company will want to have the ability to monitor EV charging, which they can do via dedicated smart meters.

Still no carpool sticker. I knew as soon as I asked the dealer if they could submit the paperwork I had made a mistake. I knew better. There doesn't appear to be anything on the www to see the status of the request.

TonyEX
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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-16-2018 14:00
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Clarity is now at 1,009 miles and still on the 7 gallons of gasoline that came with the car. Also my electric company is going to give me $450 for having purchased a PHEV. Being on this end of wealth redistribution feels strange. I am used to earning what I get.

When calling about this they were hinting that perhaps I should wait until June to upgrade my home charging abilities. More incentives coming. To get the best rates for electricity a second meter dedicated to only charging vehicles has to be installed, and their estimate is it costing as much as $1,500. Will this be the incentive? I think so, because on my cul-de-sac of 14 homes the newest cars are a VW Golf EV, Tesla EV, my Clarity PHEV, Tesla Model 3, and for some reason an absolutely huge Cadillac Escalade ESV. It's a small school bus. So, I think the electric company will want to have the ability to monitor EV charging, which they can do via dedicated smart meters.

Still no carpool sticker. I knew as soon as I asked the dealer if they could submit the paperwork I had made a mistake. I knew better. There doesn't appear to be anything on the www to see the status of the request.



(1) Don't you have a smart meter already? My coworkers with Teslas (in Irvine/Tustin) already do (*) and SoCal Edison changes rates by the time (tiered charging). This also means that running your AC is going to get more expensive. You shouldn't need a new meter then.

To help with the high cost of day time electricity, two of those guys have solar panel arrays. That means that even when running the AC, the hit from the grid is reasonable, or none at all.

It's actually a sick joke. California's power companies are now monopolies (you can't buy electricity from anyone else after the failed Enron experiment) and they are controlled by environazis and tax greedy politicians. They exist to tell you NOT to use power and follow a Guatemalan Power Company plan... brownouts for all!

(2) They've changed the way the car pool stickers and rebates work. If you got your car in '18, you will get a red sticker. As usual, they passed the laws but the DMV has yet to figure out how to implement it. Those of us with white stickers will need to apply for a red one but there's nothing in the DMV site I can see that tells me how to do it.

Typical State Assholes. They pass laws and regulations and then nothing gets done in time.

(*) Actually I do too. I believe Irvine has been all smart metered since the early 00's.

(3) JEFF... CAN YOU PLEASE MERGE THE CLARITY AND FC FORUMS? It just doesn't work this way.

JeffX
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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-16-2018 14:06
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TonyEX wrote:
GoFaster wrote:
Clarity is now at 1,009 miles and still on the 7 gallons of gasoline that came with the car. Also my electric company is going to give me $450 for having purchased a PHEV. Being on this end of wealth redistribution feels strange. I am used to earning what I get.

When calling about this they were hinting that perhaps I should wait until June to upgrade my home charging abilities. More incentives coming. To get the best rates for electricity a second meter dedicated to only charging vehicles has to be installed, and their estimate is it costing as much as $1,500. Will this be the incentive? I think so, because on my cul-de-sac of 14 homes the newest cars are a VW Golf EV, Tesla EV, my Clarity PHEV, Tesla Model 3, and for some reason an absolutely huge Cadillac Escalade ESV. It's a small school bus. So, I think the electric company will want to have the ability to monitor EV charging, which they can do via dedicated smart meters.

Still no carpool sticker. I knew as soon as I asked the dealer if they could submit the paperwork I had made a mistake. I knew better. There doesn't appear to be anything on the www to see the status of the request.



(1) Don't you have a smart meter already? My coworkers with Teslas (in Irvine/Tustin) already do (*) and SoCal Edison changes rates by the time (tiered charging). This also means that running your AC is going to get more expensive. You shouldn't need a new meter then.

To help with the high cost of day time electricity, two of those guys have solar panel arrays. That means that even when running the AC, the hit from the grid is reasonable, or none at all.

It's actually a sick joke. California's power companies are now monopolies (you can't buy electricity from anyone else after the failed Enron experiment) and they are controlled by environazis and tax greedy politicians. They exist to tell you NOT to use power and follow a Guatemalan Power Company plan... brownouts for all!

(2) They've changed the way the car pool stickers and rebates work. If you got your car in '18, you will get a red sticker. As usual, they passed the laws but the DMV has yet to figure out how to implement it. Those of us with white stickers will need to apply for a red one but there's nothing in the DMV site I can see that tells me how to do it.

Typical State Assholes. They pass laws and regulations and then nothing gets done in time.

(*) Actually I do too. I believe Irvine has been all smart metered since the early 00's.

(3) JEFF... CAN YOU PLEASE MERGE THE CLARITY AND FC FORUMS? It just doesn't work this way.



I think the fuel cell specific stuff should stay in that forum. General Clarity stuff which is common to all Clarities (is that correct pluralization?) and the Clarity PHEV/BEV discussion can go here.

TonyEX
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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-16-2018 22:36
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JeffX wrote:
TonyEX wrote:
GoFaster wrote:
Clarity is now at 1,009 miles and still on the 7 gallons of gasoline that came with the car. Also my electric company is going to give me $450 for having purchased a PHEV. Being on this end of wealth redistribution feels strange. I am used to earning what I get.

When calling about this they were hinting that perhaps I should wait until June to upgrade my home charging abilities. More incentives coming. To get the best rates for electricity a second meter dedicated to only charging vehicles has to be installed, and their estimate is it costing as much as $1,500. Will this be the incentive? I think so, because on my cul-de-sac of 14 homes the newest cars are a VW Golf EV, Tesla EV, my Clarity PHEV, Tesla Model 3, and for some reason an absolutely huge Cadillac Escalade ESV. It's a small school bus. So, I think the electric company will want to have the ability to monitor EV charging, which they can do via dedicated smart meters.

Still no carpool sticker. I knew as soon as I asked the dealer if they could submit the paperwork I had made a mistake. I knew better. There doesn't appear to be anything on the www to see the status of the request.



(1) Don't you have a smart meter already? My coworkers with Teslas (in Irvine/Tustin) already do (*) and SoCal Edison changes rates by the time (tiered charging). This also means that running your AC is going to get more expensive. You shouldn't need a new meter then.

To help with the high cost of day time electricity, two of those guys have solar panel arrays. That means that even when running the AC, the hit from the grid is reasonable, or none at all.

It's actually a sick joke. California's power companies are now monopolies (you can't buy electricity from anyone else after the failed Enron experiment) and they are controlled by environazis and tax greedy politicians. They exist to tell you NOT to use power and follow a Guatemalan Power Company plan... brownouts for all!

(2) They've changed the way the car pool stickers and rebates work. If you got your car in '18, you will get a red sticker. As usual, they passed the laws but the DMV has yet to figure out how to implement it. Those of us with white stickers will need to apply for a red one but there's nothing in the DMV site I can see that tells me how to do it.

Typical State Assholes. They pass laws and regulations and then nothing gets done in time.

(*) Actually I do too. I believe Irvine has been all smart metered since the early 00's.

(3) JEFF... CAN YOU PLEASE MERGE THE CLARITY AND FC FORUMS? It just doesn't work this way.



I think the fuel cell specific stuff should stay in that forum. General Clarity stuff which is common to all Clarities (is that correct pluralization?) and the Clarity PHEV/BEV discussion can go here.



There's a lot of stuff in common with the cars.

Particularly in discussions about California stickers, rebates, Federal tax credits... and all the cars are lumped together.

A big hassle to follow the threads in two places.

I suppose since you don't live in the Glorious Soviet Republick of Calimexistan you would not understand how it is in the Bay Area and SoCal. Likely you don't live under Premier Moonbeamski and the Sacramentograd Duma. You don't have to deal with the People's Motorski Vehicular Anti Destinatizone Direckorat.

We're different, you know? :-P


GoFaster
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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-17-2018 10:09
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Per: (1) Don't you have a smart meter already? My coworkers with Teslas (in Irvine/Tustin) already do (*) and SoCal Edison changes rates by the time (tiered charging). This also means that running your AC is going to get more expensive. You shouldn't need a new meter then.

Yes I have one smart meter. What Southern California Edison (SCE) requires for the best rates is a second smart meter dedicated to only charging EV. That meter will have its own rate. Specifically TOU-EV-1 is "a rate for electric vehicle charging stations with a dedicated meter". That is 13cents per kWH 9pm-noon the next day, and 37 cents (summer rate) 24 cents (Oct-May) from noon-9pm. But that rate is only for the meter to the EV. They also charge $2.76 per month for the second smart meter. SCE gives you the meter, but the homeowner pays for the installation.

I will be switching to TOU-D-A which will be 12cents from 10p - 8am (13cents in non-summer) and then rates jump all over the place for different hour of the day, summer or non-summer and weekdays vs weekends, and there is a 3cent a day charge but a $16 a month rebate....It must have be a committee decision to come up with this complexity. That rate is for the entire house, since there is only one smart meter. The worst rate is 48cents per kWh 2p-8p M-F in the summer. So on the hottest days I will run the A/C in the Clarity to get some relief and then recharge it at night. :)

There are 6 different tiered rate plans and they are all very difficult to determine what will be the best rate, because in addition to rates jumping around they have Daily Basic Charges and Baseline Credits.


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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-19-2018 11:47
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Hey GoFaster, did you end up figuring out your L2 charger?

What about the gas thing?

I have some insights from my experience with my i3, and I'd love to compare, if you'd like to hear about it.

Keep us posted!

GoFaster
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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-29-2018 16:58
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I have to wait until June, I think, for the electric company to perhaps disclose their next rebate scheme. I can work from home many days, right now at least 2 days of commuting per week and those days are back to back. My rates go way down at 10pm until 8 am, but I am leaving at 5am, which isn't enough time for a full recharge at the current 120v on the second day. I seem to just make it there though on EV.

BTW-I ended up going 1,438 miles on 6.001 gallons of gasoline. Now that I know the car better and the charging station went way down in price I could drive completely EV except for the occasional weekend road trip. The bad news is the charger by work that went down in price ALSO added a $2.50 per hour fee starting 30 minutes after the charger is done. And yes, so far one time I forgot. $7 in fees before I remembered I needed to disconnect the car. Learning curve on this purchase.

I also noticed the car turned the gas engine on a couple of times. It must need to run every now and again. The bad news is both times it ran right after startup with full batteries, so was wasted gas. At least that is what seemed to have happened. From the experience so far I believe I could have gone with Clarity BEV, and kept my other car for road trips.

Overall I really like driving electric and this Clarity is an A+. Once I have the L2 charger then will be just fantastic. I can't see buying a vehicle without at least PHEV in the future.

BTW-my HOV stickers came and now the Clarity is a time machine that gets me home about 10 minutes quicker and much less stress and avoids the 75 cent toll road I used to use. Trunk-to-tail elephants going home in the car pool lane.

Makes me curious about the life of oil that is rarely used. Would full synthetic oil be fine after 5 years and 10,000 miles of actual engine use and 75,000 miles overall driving?


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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-31-2018 10:43
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Using a public charger. The one I use is owned by ChargePoint. You put your phone next to the charger, the app pops up, authenticate it is you via thumb or face depending on iPhone. Once it authenticates, about 5 seconds, the charger base clicks letting you know the nozzle/plug is unlocked from the charger. You connect that to the Clarity, and since my car is programmed to not start charging until 10pm I need to hold the button on the remote to override the schedule and start charging immediately (can also be done via Hondalink). Then you wait a couple of seconds to make sure the charging starts. You verify on a screen on the charging unit.

Then I ask Siri to set an alarm for 2 hours 15 minutes. My public charger will charge me $2.50 an hour after 30 minutes from the end of charging if I donít disconnect the charger.

I then monitor from the Hondalink app and the the ChargePoint app. I can verify the car is still charging and via Hondalink about how much time is left before it is completed. Both apps will send me an alert when the charging is complete, but its super easy to miss it, so that is why I set a separate alarm. Once the charging is complete itís a walk back to the car, unplug the car, and click the done button on the charging unit. The charging unit then displays a receipt of how much I was charged for the electricity, how many kilowatts, the start and end times of the connection and any parking fees.

Right now my car is charging. ChargePoint shows where my car is parked on a map and where my phone is, that it is charging, how many miles were added so far (22 miles), how long its been connected (1h 25m) and the total charged so far ($1.94). It will even show me how to walk back to my car.

Hondalink shows the car is charging at 240v, battery is at 55% charged, 1h 26 minutes until full. There is 970 miles of range currently (23m EV, and 947m of HV (hybrid).

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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-31-2018 18:26
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I have to wait until June, I think, for the electric company to perhaps disclose their next rebate scheme. I can work from home many days, right now at least 2 days of commuting per week and those days are back to back. My rates go way down at 10pm until 8 am, but I am leaving at 5am, which isn't enough time for a full recharge at the current 120v on the second day. I seem to just make it there though on EV.

BTW-I ended up going 1,438 miles on 6.001 gallons of gasoline. Now that I know the car better and the charging station went way down in price I could drive completely EV except for the occasional weekend road trip. The bad news is the charger by work that went down in price ALSO added a $2.50 per hour fee starting 30 minutes after the charger is done. And yes, so far one time I forgot. $7 in fees before I remembered I needed to disconnect the car. Learning curve on this purchase.

I also noticed the car turned the gas engine on a couple of times. It must need to run every now and again. The bad news is both times it ran right after startup with full batteries, so was wasted gas. At least that is what seemed to have happened. From the experience so far I believe I could have gone with Clarity BEV, and kept my other car for road trips.

Overall I really like driving electric and this Clarity is an A+. Once I have the L2 charger then will be just fantastic. I can't see buying a vehicle without at least PHEV in the future.

BTW-my HOV stickers came and now the Clarity is a time machine that gets me home about 10 minutes quicker and much less stress and avoids the 75 cent toll road I used to use. Trunk-to-tail elephants going home in the car pool lane.

Makes me curious about the life of oil that is rarely used. Would full synthetic oil be fine after 5 years and 10,000 miles of actual engine use and 75,000 miles overall driving?




Are the toll roads free if you have car pool stickers?

Hmm... I took the Laguna/Foothill Ranch toll roads in the Clarity last friday. I wonder, I ought to check my account.

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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-31-2018 18:32
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Using a public charger. The one I use is owned by ChargePoint. You put your phone next to the charger, the app pops up, authenticate it is you via thumb or face depending on iPhone. Once it authenticates, about 5 seconds, the charger base clicks letting you know the nozzle/plug is unlocked from the charger. You connect that to the Clarity, and since my car is programmed to not start charging until 10pm I need to hold the button on the remote to override the schedule and start charging immediately (can also be done via Hondalink). Then you wait a couple of seconds to make sure the charging starts. You verify on a screen on the charging unit.

Then I ask Siri to set an alarm for 2 hours 15 minutes. My public charger will charge me $2.50 an hour after 30 minutes from the end of charging if I donít disconnect the charger.

I then monitor from the Hondalink app and the the ChargePoint app. I can verify the car is still charging and via Hondalink about how much time is left before it is completed. Both apps will send me an alert when the charging is complete, but its super easy to miss it, so that is why I set a separate alarm. Once the charging is complete itís a walk back to the car, unplug the car, and click the done button on the charging unit. The charging unit then displays a receipt of how much I was charged for the electricity, how many kilowatts, the start and end times of the connection and any parking fees.

Right now my car is charging. ChargePoint shows where my car is parked on a map and where my phone is, that it is charging, how many miles were added so far (22 miles), how long its been connected (1h 25m) and the total charged so far ($1.94). It will even show me how to walk back to my car.

Hondalink shows the car is charging at 240v, battery is at 55% charged, 1h 26 minutes until full. There is 970 miles of range currently (23m EV, and 947m of HV (hybrid).



How much do you pay to fully charge the batteries?

How many KwH?

How much per KwH?

I assume that "924" miles is a typo. Perhaps 294?

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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-01-2018 16:07
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How much do you pay to fully charge the batteries?
How many KwH?
How much per KwH?
I assume that "924" miles is a typo. Perhaps 294?


Home rate is 12cents per kWh, public charger is 25 cents per kWh.

My 40 mile commute into work takes about 11-13 kWh, depending on traffic and maybe using windshield wipers and such. So probably around $3 on average, if I leave home with a full charge.

I don't have L2 charging at home yet, BTW my wife told me SCE does have new rebates for June, so I need to research, so to get the 12 cent rate that starts at 10p and I leave at 5am, so not enough time to fully recharge, but enough time to charge enough to get to work with a very depleted battery, which means more kWh at the public charger. So in short, I am paying more right now, due to lack of L2 at home right now.

So roughly $3 per trip at public charging and $1.40 at home. $4.40 for an 80 mile day and no gasoline usage at all.

Yes, the car showed HV range of 947m. I can't estimate the mileage of running as a Hybrid instead of EV, because I do too much EV driving. I know when learning the car I drove into work a long ways in HV mode, and neither the gas nor EV gauges showed any change. It appeared I drove in Magic mode. I entered my fillup on Fuelly.com, but I don't come up on the site when browsing Clarity. Maybe you need at least 3 fillups to appear when browsing Clarity? My MPG was 239.5, and once I get L2 my mileage could easily surpass 500 mpg.

I really don't know what that 900+ mile HV range means. I can't believe it is suggesting I could go into HV and Clarity could get that sort of mileage without recharging the batteries and using 7 gallons of gasoline.

So for anyone out there, my drive is relatively flat. I have no idea what this car would do up a steep climb, but I doubt it would be easy.

On Fuelly.com there are many Clarity well past 100 mpg.

Fuelly.com

There is someone else with 201 mpg.


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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-01-2018 18:07
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Southern California Rebates

The home installation pilot offers two different ways to save. The standard option, which offers a rebate of as much as $500, is for eligible customers who want to use their existing meter to charge their EV using a Time-of-Use rate that applies to their entire home. The rebate covers costs such as permits, materials and hiring a licensed electrician to install a 240-volt circuit and the Level 2 EV charging station.

The other option, which provides a rebate of as much as $1,500 to eligible customers, requires the installation of a Level 2 charging station and a new dedicated meter that the customer must use to charge their EVs. This option may provide customers with the lowest cost to charge their EVs ó SCEís Time-of-Use rate plan that applies to EV charging only (TOU-EV-1). Similar to the $500 option, the rebate offsets the costs of the needed permits and installation of infrastructure and charging equipment.


Seems like these new rebates will cover most of the installation charges.


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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-05-2018 11:05
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Here is what I received from an electrician to upgrade to L2 charging. Also, the electric company would pay for $500 if no separate meter for EV charging or $1,500 if a separate meter is also added.

I did a load calculation on your existing meter panel and it shows your panel will be too small to add the EV charging circuit. Your panel is only rated for 100 amps and your total load is 65,172 watts. It should be under 48,000 watts. Although you don't use your dryer circuit, it has now become your pool circuit. Unfortunately back in the late 80's they didn't install larger meter panels taking into consideration that your home has a square footage of 2,864' which in todays standards would be at least a 200 amp panel. The cost for an upgrade is around $2,300 for a 200 amp panel, slightly more for a 225 amp. panel. The panels we Install are Solar Ready which have a higher buss rating.

If you decide to go with the upgrade, this would be the time to consider a second power meter TOU-EV1. The cost would be around $3,800.00 with a new panel plus permit fees.


I don't know what a "higher buss rating" means or why that would benefit me.

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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-05-2018 11:14
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Let me add this house was built in 1978 and I am guessing the breakers in the panel are all 40 years old. I don't know if they have a life span and the end is near for them anyways. So is part of the upgrade replacing stuff I need to replace anyways?
Also, currently the house has no electric issues. Breakers never trip, lights don't flicker, so this won't be solving any issues. I suppose the panel being "solar ready" is just incurring this cost earlier to reap the benefits of EV driving, and once solar panels get really cheap this will already be done.

Will future buyers of this house expect it to be L2 ready? Do I get this money back when I sell? It certainly makes my house ahead of everyone else in my neighborhood. I can see the electric meters and no one has two.

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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-06-2018 09:15
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The higher buss rating is for the physical buss part. It has to do with how it is being used. It's likely rated higher for solar input. If you don't plan to have solar, don't go with that if you have the option. The breakers are just protection for over current draw.

I'm assuming the main line that is run to your home is sized for a 200 amp service. You'd have to work that out with your electric service provider.

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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-06-2018 10:35
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You may be forced to upgrade your breakers if your old ones aren't the right style for the new panel. I'm going to guess they won't be, but I can't say for sure. I'd upgrade either way if you have fuses, but it sounds like you have breakers already.

As for being solar ready, it will set you up for solar years down the line if you ever think you'll want it. I don't think it'd be a huge selling feature of the house if you are 'solar ready' and have no solar panels.

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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-07-2018 19:27
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Let me add this house was built in 1978 and I am guessing the breakers in the panel are all 40 years old. I don't know if they have a life span and the end is near for them anyways. So is part of the upgrade replacing stuff I need to replace anyways?
Also, currently the house has no electric issues. Breakers never trip, lights don't flicker, so this won't be solving any issues. I suppose the panel being "solar ready" is just incurring this cost earlier to reap the benefits of EV driving, and once solar panels get really cheap this will already be done.

Will future buyers of this house expect it to be L2 ready? Do I get this money back when I sell? It certainly makes my house ahead of everyone else in my neighborhood. I can see the electric meters and no one has two.



My home was originally built in 1969, but we have completely regutted , expanded and rebuilt it. It's about 2700 sq feet.

Our current setup is a dual panel set up with 300A service. All rooms have dedicated circuits. Typical Romex today is good for 20A with breakers at 15A. We went with 30A Romex and 25A circuits in several places (stereos, video, computers, kitchen runs, etc, etc).

The dedicated circuits for each room are current code.

We did have a strange issue with lights flickering.... it got traced to a transformer from SCE ( like I said, Guatemalan Power Company like maintenance procedures ).

Solar panels... if you have 9KwH... say they put 7.5 KwH into your panel, that would be.. about 75A (actually I think it's more like 60A with the AC equations). So, you are not likely going to need a huge panel.

However, yep, a 100A panel is archaic. In fact, look at the AC outlets in your house. There should be at least seven per bedroom. If you have the old design with a single AC outlet in the middle of the wall, you might have the old design with one circuit powering a number of rooms.

In this day and age, that's dangerous.

To give you an idea, when we rewired the house, our electric use dropped by 15%... which means there was that much loss (heat) in the old circuits... oooops!

I think that upgrading the wiring in the whole house to current standards will pay. Upgrading to plug for an EV, I'm not so sure.

And then you got to remember what is in store for this State if the Power Commies decide to ration power to 5KwH per person per day.

Have you thought about moving to Arizona? The electric charges there a much cheaper. You can run the AC all day long and drive a car with a six pack under the hood and not worry about the crazy costs that the Environazis are putting on our utilities.

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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-08-2018 09:45
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TonyEX thanks for the neighborly input, much appreciated. One of the questions I have for the electrician is "worse case scenario". What I don't want is for the city inspector to come out and declare that since the panel is being upgraded: "all of the wiring in the house must be upgraded to current code" or some other unknown. I have seen these nightmares on HGTV. All of a sudden I am looking at $10,000+.

Best case scenario is I take the $1,500 rebate. Then at some point when solar makes sense take that rebate which will surely exist. My fear is this "solar ready" panel will be like buying an up-gradable PC back in the days of Windows XP. By the time you are ready to upgrade something, the entire contents of the box are obsolete. I don't think electric panels change at the pace of PCs, but I am at a knowledge deficit here. I would love to have solar, but right now the people selling it seem to be as reputable as those selling time shares.

As far as leaving California goes, EVERYONE, needs an escape plan for when the baby boomer government workers retire en mass and bankrupt the state with their bloated pensions. I don't plan to pay excess taxes to fund my neighbors lavish retirement.

BTW-I didn't mean having a solar ready panel was a selling point. Having an EV ready garage is an advantage over my neighbors. Teslas are everywhere in this area. Irvine is still growing with new developments at all times being sold, which would have modern electricity supplies.

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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-08-2018 15:33
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TonyEX thanks for the neighborly input, much appreciated. One of the questions I have for the electrician is "worse case scenario". What I don't want is for the city inspector to come out and declare that since the panel is being upgraded: "all of the wiring in the house must be upgraded to current code" or some other unknown. I have seen these nightmares on HGTV. All of a sudden I am looking at $10,000+.

Best case scenario is I take the $1,500 rebate. Then at some point when solar makes sense take that rebate which will surely exist. My fear is this "solar ready" panel will be like buying an up-gradable PC back in the days of Windows XP. By the time you are ready to upgrade something, the entire contents of the box are obsolete. I don't think electric panels change at the pace of PCs, but I am at a knowledge deficit here. I would love to have solar, but right now the people selling it seem to be as reputable as those selling time shares.

As far as leaving California goes, EVERYONE, needs an escape plan for when the baby boomer government workers retire en mass and bankrupt the state with their bloated pensions. I don't plan to pay excess taxes to fund my neighbors lavish retirement.

BTW-I didn't mean having a solar ready panel was a selling point. Having an EV ready garage is an advantage over my neighbors. Teslas are everywhere in this area. Irvine is still growing with new developments at all times being sold, which would have modern electricity supplies.



Solar would be a selling point actually. And I have looked into setting up a 9Kw system so I can power the AC without looking at a $500 bill.. and we are nearest the Coast! I'd hate to see the bill for those East of the Santa Ana. It gets hot up in Portola. So, yeah, it would be a selling point.

And the best thing is that you can stick it into the Homeowner's Association since they have little control over solar systems. :-)

The main thing you have to pay attention to is not to install a solar system that exceeds the amperage of your current panel.

Although, you might want to consider adding a second panel and redoing your kitchen. You'll be surprised how much wiring goes into your kitchen and you could then install a nice powerful microwave. Take all the new romex to the kitchen from the new panel and then leave the old panel the way it was. It will give you room to grow.

Specially, if you have an attic to route the wires.

Adding that second panel might free enough juice for a new 240V into the garage. Since you're doing work for the new kitchen done at the same time (THAT, will return money) it shouldn't cost so much.

Yeah, I did make a mistake when I let the electrician talk me into splitting the 240V for the dryer into two lines for the new front addition.

Eventually, when we rewired the back, I had three extra romex runs brought up to the attic so I can add a 240V in the garage in the future.

Yeah... there are so many Teslas around here that every time we go to work or shop we take our lives in our hands... It was bad enough the 2nd 99 Ranch Market opened up, with all those terrible drivers... but now we have terrible, inattentive drivers in "auto-pilot"

OH... inspector wise. No, you shouldn't have a problem. The new work requires the new code, but the old work is grandfathered and, unless it has issues, you don't have to change it. Those shows you talk about typically have not permitted work or are changing existing stuff that's been there since before WWII.

PS: $10,000.... in Irvine. Only in your dreams.

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Re: Clarity PHEV Owner    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-08-2018 15:40
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Dren wrote:
The higher buss rating is for the physical buss part. It has to do with how it is being used. It's likely rated higher for solar input. If you don't plan to have solar, don't go with that if you have the option. The breakers are just protection for over current draw.

I'm assuming the main line that is run to your home is sized for a 200 amp service. You'd have to work that out with your electric service provider.



Bad assumption.

The majority of homes built in Irvine at the time had 100A from the utility. I had SCE come in and change it to 300A.


 
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