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urbanglowcam
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2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 02:42
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After seeing the unveiling of the 2019 RDX, isn't it time for the ILX as well? Both are Acura's babies for their respective segments and I recall the second gen RDX being introduced the same model year as the 2013 ILX.

I'm expecting something at New York in March.

Archknight77
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 10:20
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urbanglowcam wrote:
After seeing the unveiling of the 2019 RDX, isn't it time for the ILX as well? Both are Acura's babies for their respective segments and I recall the second gen RDX being introduced the same model year as the 2013 ILX.

I'm expecting something at New York in March.




I was thinking the same considering they make both in the Marysville plant. They'll likely share the new underpinnings with the wheelbase stretched for the ILX to go head to head with the new baby MB A-Class sedan. The only thing is there haven't been any prototypes spotted anywhere and no one seems to know anything. Since the RDX was designed in CA, I'm sure they were working on something to replace the ILX.

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 12:23
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urbanglowcam wrote:
After seeing the unveiling of the 2019 RDX, isn't it time for the ILX as well? Both are Acura's babies for their respective segments and I recall the second gen RDX being introduced the same model year as the 2013 ILX.

I'm expecting something at New York in March.





Rumor has it that Acura is discountinuing the ILX. I honestly don't mind seeing it gone, it's a horrible car. The compact size luxury segment is dying so I see Acura adding the CDX instead of spending money on a new ILX

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 12:37
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Rumor is the ILX is dead.(CDX replacing it?)
If it survives then the only place left to build it is the UK(Civic Hatch Plant) and that would lead to the comments Acura made that they wanted back the Integra(fastback).

ILX 4-Door Hatch? 1.5T 205hp 6MT and 8DCT?
ILX Type-S 2.0T 310hp 6-MT SH-AWD?

urbanglowcam
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 12:59
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While I agree the ILX wasn't great, it was based on the 9th gen Civic which many weren't fond of. I think with the new platform, they can do a much better job with some of the amenities and styling that the RDX launched with.

It seems odd that they won't have some type of fresh sedan for years. The TLX and RLX just got their makeovers and likely won't see their all new variants for years. I understand the sedan market is dying but it's not Dead yet.

99SI
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 14:35
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It should be dropped and replaced with a proper 2.0T Integra... Talk about spurring a brand back to life.
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 14:43
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99SI wrote:
It should be dropped and replaced with a proper 2.0T Integra... Talk about spurring a brand back to life.


But would it really?

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 15:14
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Rumor is the ILX is dead.(CDX replacing it?)
If it survives then the only place left to build it is the UK(Civic Hatch Plant) and that would lead to the comments Acura made that they wanted back the Integra(fastback).

ILX 4-Door Hatch? 1.5T 205hp 6MT and 8DCT?
ILX Type-S 2.0T 310hp 6-MT SH-AWD?



This would be my absolute dream. Now I mentioned this before, when Acura first showed off their interior prototype, I didn't see an area for a stick shift because of the layout.

Now that we see a newer interior in more of a near production application I can see how a manual shifter could fit in where that whole automatic button/switch mess they have going on in the centre console is. Obviously this is in an SUV not a sedan or (pleeeeaassee) a hatch. But if the interior follows along similar lines I could see a manual being possible even if its unlikely. A boy can dream.

But the Type S returning is good news either way. Even though I can't drive automatic if thats all they offer I'm hoping people who can will have a great time.

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 15:29
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Rumor is the ILX is dead.(CDX replacing it?)
If it survives then the only place left to build it is the UK(Civic Hatch Plant) and that would lead to the comments Acura made that they wanted back the Integra(fastback).

ILX 4-Door Hatch? 1.5T 205hp 6MT and 8DCT?
ILX Type-S 2.0T 310hp 6-MT SH-AWD?


noooooooooooo, i was hoping to the next ILX based off the already awesome 10th gen civic would be my next car.

but considering there are no test mules spotted on the road. makes me believe Acura will kill it. probably CDX since these stupid SUVs are selling like hot cakes and everyone and their mother is making subcompact SUV.

sad sad world we live in...

lexusgs
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 15:55
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It should be dropped, it is a dud, TLX is low end enough.

Car below the TLX should be a Audi tt competitor but better.

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 16:10
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AznSupastar wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
Rumor is the ILX is dead.(CDX replacing it?)
If it survives then the only place left to build it is the UK(Civic Hatch Plant) and that would lead to the comments Acura made that they wanted back the Integra(fastback).

ILX 4-Door Hatch? 1.5T 205hp 6MT and 8DCT?
ILX Type-S 2.0T 310hp 6-MT SH-AWD?


noooooooooooo, i was hoping to the next ILX based off the already awesome 10th gen civic would be my next car.

but considering there are no test mules spotted on the road. makes me believe Acura will kill it. probably CDX since these stupid SUVs are selling like hot cakes and everyone and their mother is making subcompact SUV.

sad sad world we live in...



A lot can change in 4 years but I do remember this article from C/D https://blog.caranddriver.com/a-new-acura-integra-just-wait-were-told/

Personally, I think there's at least a 50/50 chance we'll see an ILX fastback/Integra.


Potenza
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 16:58
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It should be dropped, it is a dud, TLX is low end enough.

Car below the TLX should be a Audi tt competitor but better.

Makes no sense. Even if Acura's TT - somehow better than the $44k+ Audi TT while being cheaper than the TLX - sold 5x as many units as the Audi TT, it would still be fewer units than the ILX dud. Hmm.

Seriously, Honda sold more CR-Zs in its 6th model year than Audi sold TTs last year. Tell me how successful you think the CR-Z is.

Archknight77
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 19:16
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Rumor is the ILX is dead.(CDX replacing it?)
If it survives then the only place left to build it is the UK(Civic Hatch Plant) and that would lead to the comments Acura made that they wanted back the Integra(fastback).

ILX 4-Door Hatch? 1.5T 205hp 6MT and 8DCT?
ILX Type-S 2.0T 310hp 6-MT SH-AWD?



When did they announce they didn't have capacity at the Marysville plant where the current ILX is built? Any models meant for China will be built there, so what would be the reason to move it to the UK?

Archknight77
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 19:21
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jlin583 wrote:
AznSupastar wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
Rumor is the ILX is dead.(CDX replacing it?)
If it survives then the only place left to build it is the UK(Civic Hatch Plant) and that would lead to the comments Acura made that they wanted back the Integra(fastback).

ILX 4-Door Hatch? 1.5T 205hp 6MT and 8DCT?
ILX Type-S 2.0T 310hp 6-MT SH-AWD?


noooooooooooo, i was hoping to the next ILX based off the already awesome 10th gen civic would be my next car.

but considering there are no test mules spotted on the road. makes me believe Acura will kill it. probably CDX since these stupid SUVs are selling like hot cakes and everyone and their mother is making subcompact SUV.

sad sad world we live in...



A lot can change in 4 years but I do remember this article from C/D https://blog.caranddriver.com/a-new-acura-integra-just-wait-were-told/

Personally, I think there's at least a 50/50 chance we'll see an ILX fastback/Integra.




I remember this article and I couldn't help but notice in the presentation they actually showed pics of the Integra and RSX when talking about performance returning to Acura.

lexusgs
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 22:55
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Potenza wrote:
lexusgs wrote:
It should be dropped, it is a dud, TLX is low end enough.

Car below the TLX should be a Audi tt competitor but better.

Makes no sense. Even if Acura's TT - somehow better than the $44k+ Audi TT while being cheaper than the TLX - sold 5x as many units as the Audi TT, it would still be fewer units than the ILX dud. Hmm.

Seriously, Honda sold more CR-Zs in its 6th model year than Audi sold TTs last year. Tell me how successful you think the CR-Z is.


The TT was a hit when it debuted, the first generation was very influential on car design and had the desire the Integra Type R once had, maybe more but it was priced too high and not reliable enough to gain huge sales, the other generations lost the magic of the design inside and out which resulted in sales and interest plummeting.

I think if Acura could capture the hype and desirability of the first gen Audi tt but with a lower price, better handling, and more reliable they would have a hit. It can't be just a standard sport hatch/coupe, it has to really look and feel premium and perform and be desirable and put Acura back on the map for younger and middle aged buyers/enthusiasts like the later Integra's did.

LudeLeRoy
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-16-2018 23:10
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Rumor is the ILX is dead.(CDX replacing it?)
If it survives then the only place left to build it is the UK(Civic Hatch Plant) and that would lead to the comments Acura made that they wanted back the Integra(fastback).

ILX 4-Door Hatch? 1.5T 205hp 6MT and 8DCT?
ILX Type-S 2.0T 310hp 6-MT SH-AWD?



I really want the next ILX to be just what you described. I actually want a more powerful TSX with SHAWD replace my first gen. TSX.

The ILX was a clear failure but not because it was a car - but due to both the platform and especially the execution and cost cutting (Civic+). I'm well aware of the US's infatuation with SUVs but I think there's still a market for a sporty sedan/hatchback. There is a market so long as the car stirs the soul with styling and performance, carries 5 adults with relative fuel efficiency and adds AWD (and a hatch?) to alleviate some of the perceived SUV advantages.

I really hope if they kill the ILX it's in name only - they can bring back the TSX (name makes more sense now w/AWD to me) or Integra nameplate (seems less likely). Acura talked about focusing on AWD like Subaru so perhaps the entry level Acura car could be a 4/5 door ;hatch with wagon variant and then 3 door sport hatch (Integra) to compete with Subaru but with more looks, performance and luxury.

CarmB
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2018 08:40
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What should be on the to-do list is developing two additional SUVs spun off the RDX that would deliver an MDX successor and a sub-RDX SUV (much better than making the entry SUV a Fit spinoff).

As well use the Civic Type R as the starting point for an affordable performance hatch (five- or three-door, if not both).

Later on replace the TLX with a new base sedan and spin that off into a flagship sedan to replace the RLX. Or vice versa.



Archknight77
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2018 09:35
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https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1114842_2020-mercedes-benz-cla-spy-shots#image=100640687

These are two of the reasons Acura can't abandon the segment. The A-class is expected to show up in as a 2019, followed in 2020 by a new CLA. The ILX that launched in 2012 was not what Acura should have introduced and they tried to correct it in 2015, but the cars reputation had been damaged too much.

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2018 10:03
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2018-honda-cr-z-rendered-may-ditch-hybrid-for-new-turbo-news

I still say that this rumor has changed and the possible CR-Z redux is now the rebirth of the Integra.

The argument for remaining in the segments below the TLX/RDX is that the new Honda platform is quite clearly good enough to compete and deliver class-leading/quite competitive vehicles for Acura in those segments. And the margins have to be quite good (if they can get the item/price correct) using Honda platforms for Acura products.

And the Acura brand is now ready for an Integra: the Touchpad tech and software is ready, they've got the Accord 2.0T and 10AT combo sitting right there, they've mated it to SHAWD on the RDX, they've got a clear design direction, they've got a clear purpose to create sporty vehicles....

And Honda has shifted to making Type-R variants it seems - that was also reported recently. So some kind of CR-Z performance vehicle just doesn't make sense.

I also think the Insight being where it is makes an ILX sedan even harder to fit in. I think the TLX should be the entry sedan - with an Integra 3-door hatch "below" it.

Bottom line for me is that if Acura wants to get back to 200,000 cars sold in the US they'll need more than 5 mainstream nameplates. "Replace" the ILX with the CDX and it's still only 5 nameplates: TLX/RLX, CDX/RDX/MDX. They need more models to sell. A coupe/hatch is quite clearly a model they don't have AND the "sub-entry" segment can be viable if the product is executed properly.

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2018 10:08
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Archknight77 wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
Rumor is the ILX is dead.(CDX replacing it?)
If it survives then the only place left to build it is the UK(Civic Hatch Plant) and that would lead to the comments Acura made that they wanted back the Integra(fastback).

ILX 4-Door Hatch? 1.5T 205hp 6MT and 8DCT?
ILX Type-S 2.0T 310hp 6-MT SH-AWD?



When did they announce they didn't have capacity at the Marysville plant where the current ILX is built? Any models meant for China will be built there, so what would be the reason to move it to the UK?



Massive plant under-utilisation at Swindon. Plus, the hatch architecture is there already. Might explain the absence of an Insight hatch from Swindon.

Another ILX sedan makes little sense, given the sedan market decline. A hatch (or dropping it entirely for a CUV) are both plausible.

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2018 21:53
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I know the sedan segment isn't in the best of health these days but considering the Germans have sedans in this segment and the fact that Acura is product limited at the moment, the more models...the better.

Now they have the proper platform architecture, the proper drivetrain configurations available, better materials, SH-AWD etc etc... I really think it could do well against the CLA and the A3. The investment wouldn't be significant as everything is already developed.

Another reason to keep this car is...I'm positive the base price of the TLX will be increased by quite a bit vs current pricing so that leaves a larger hole on the bottom end which could be filled by the next gen ILX and CDX.

As said before, the current ILX didn't do well because of its mediocre bones, its mediocre performance, its mediocre materials, its mediocre drivetrains and the fact that it way overpriced. All of those issues could be solved with the next gen.

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-17-2018 23:44
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Nick GravesX wrote:
Archknight77 wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
Rumor is the ILX is dead.(CDX replacing it?)
If it survives then the only place left to build it is the UK(Civic Hatch Plant) and that would lead to the comments Acura made that they wanted back the Integra(fastback).

ILX 4-Door Hatch? 1.5T 205hp 6MT and 8DCT?
ILX Type-S 2.0T 310hp 6-MT SH-AWD?



When did they announce they didn't have capacity at the Marysville plant where the current ILX is built? Any models meant for China will be built there, so what would be the reason to move it to the UK?



Massive plant under-utilisation at Swindon. Plus, the hatch architecture is there already. Might explain the absence of an Insight hatch from Swindon.

Another ILX sedan makes little sense, given the sedan market decline. A hatch (or dropping it entirely for a CUV) are both plausible.



All but one of the Acura models is built in the US in Ohio, so Swindon has nothing to do with the brand. Sedans maybe in decline but the luxury segment is fairing well compared to the mainstream lineups, which is why several of those brands are leaving the market.

The part that people seem to be missing is that a revamped model like the ILX under this new strategy could do very well. Since the invest as Civicb12 pointed out is minimal but this model would actually be priced higher than some Accord trims. Secondly, with all we saw in the RDX being placed in the package, it can also steal sales from MB and AUDI, who don't offer even close to the packaging Acura does for the price point. The resources are already in place it's just left to execution. So many have begged the company for the return of an Integra type model, so with the return of the Type S branding, I wouldn't be surprised if it's already in the works. Many here are expressing the sane sentiment of a fastback/liftback model like the '94-2001 3 door and with the "4 door coupe" being the second craze of the automotive landscape, it maybe just what they hav e planned.


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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-18-2018 01:05
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Another factor that would cut into the CDX being the next model offered stateside, is cutting the current model from the Chinese market which has only been on sale a little over a year. So the only way it would happen now is by getting the current one up to spec for sale here, requiring the additional investment and shipping it over. The other Acura models aren't due for redesign until 2020 and beyond, so the only logical move is the FMC of the ILX or an all new model.
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-18-2018 10:30
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Crap it looks like the 2019 ILX is going to just get s MMC adopting the new grill etc.. Disappointing. A new ILX and CDX are critical to bringing in entry level clients into the Acura.
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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-18-2018 12:41
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Crap it looks like the 2019 ILX is going to just get s MMC adopting the new grill etc.. Disappointing. A new ILX and CDX are critical to bringing in entry level clients into the Acura.


Who said? The ILX already went through the MMC in 2016. It's an old car. Time for it to either get a full revamp or get canned.

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-18-2018 13:10
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Crap it looks like the 2019 ILX is going to just get s MMC adopting the new grill etc.. Disappointing. A new ILX and CDX are critical to bringing in entry level clients into the Acura.

Who told you this? Why would Acura do a second MMC on the ILX?

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-18-2018 13:10
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urbanglowcam wrote:
Calgarian wrote:
Crap it looks like the 2019 ILX is going to just get s MMC adopting the new grill etc.. Disappointing. A new ILX and CDX are critical to bringing in entry level clients into the Acura.


Who said? The ILX already went through the MMC in 2016. It's an old car. Time for it to either get a full revamp or get canned.


Otherwise it will be a nothing burger, just like the MMC RLX.

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-18-2018 13:18
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Crap it looks like the 2019 ILX is going to just get s MMC adopting the new grill etc.. Disappointing. A new ILX and CDX are critical to bringing in entry level clients into the Acura.


The ILX is the worst car in Acura's lineup. It's underdelivered and overpriced and just didn't hit the mark at all. Another MMC would just keep the agony going. We should hear something soon.

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-18-2018 16:16
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Civicb18 wrote:
Calgarian wrote:
Crap it looks like the 2019 ILX is going to just get s MMC adopting the new grill etc.. Disappointing. A new ILX and CDX are critical to bringing in entry level clients into the Acura.


The ILX is the worst car in Acura's lineup. It's underdelivered and overpriced and just didn't hit the mark at all. Another MMC would just keep the agony going. We should hear something soon.



I feel like they would want to space it out with the RDX launch, so perhaps Chicago in February or New York Auto in March? LA would be way too late in the year.

Hopefully we get an answer in the next few months on their strategy.

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Re: 2019 ILX - FMC?    (Score: 1, Normal) 01-18-2018 17:41
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Calgarian wrote:
Crap it looks like the 2019 ILX is going to just get s MMC adopting the new grill etc.. Disappointing. A new ILX and CDX are critical to bringing in entry level clients into the Acura.


If they really do decide to go this route, they better update the interior and add the 1.5T. Just slapping on the new grille without any major updates would be a terrible decision.


 
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