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Re: 2016 ILX Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2015 16:13
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THX17201 wrote:
CarmB wrote:
The Mazda 6 represents a step up to a higher grade of car compared to something like the ILX. The price reflects that.



Umm no. There is something really wrong with you...

An Acura anything is SUPPOSED TO BE A STEPUP compared to a Mazda anything.

The Mazda6 is a larger car. than the ILX. Comparing prices is apples-to-oranges.

Even though the ILX is smaller, it should still be a step-up to what Mazda is doing! If not, Acura is really screwed...



As someone who directly shopped the 2014 ILX with the 2014 Mazda3 GTs, I can say that, in my opinion, the Mazda3 is a superior product to the ILX.

This is coming from a Honda/Acura homer. I wanted to like the ILX, and it was okay, but the 3 was just better. The engine/transmission was better, more powerful (I have the 2.5) and more efficient all on regular unleaded. The interior design is more attractive and the materials on par or better than the ILX (this is subjective, but many consumers and publications agree). The price was actually a toss-up given the enormous amounts of cash laying on the hood of every ILX at that point, leaving each vehicle around $25,500 for the actual price.

I don't think Mazda is superior to Acura as a rule, but when it comes to those particular compact sedans, I think Mazda won that round. Clearly, Acura's compact sedan ought to be superior, and I bet on their second try for the ILX, it will be. The new powertrain in the ILX is a good start, and a more refined and somehow more spacious feeling interior will put it over the top. My hair constantly touched the roof of the ILX with the seat at it's lowest setting, and I am 6'1 - tall, but not that tall.

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Re: 2016 ILX Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-02-2015 19:13
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CP wrote:
THX17201 wrote:
CarmB wrote:
The Mazda 6 represents a step up to a higher grade of car compared to something like the ILX. The price reflects that.



Umm no. There is something really wrong with you...

An Acura anything is SUPPOSED TO BE A STEPUP compared to a Mazda anything.

The Mazda6 is a larger car. than the ILX. Comparing prices is apples-to-oranges.

Even though the ILX is smaller, it should still be a step-up to what Mazda is doing! If not, Acura is really screwed...



As someone who directly shopped the 2014 ILX with the 2014 Mazda3 GTs, I can say that, in my opinion, the Mazda3 is a superior product to the ILX.

This is coming from a Honda/Acura homer. I wanted to like the ILX, and it was okay, but the 3 was just better. The engine/transmission was better, more powerful (I have the 2.5) and more efficient all on regular unleaded. The interior design is more attractive and the materials on par or better than the ILX (this is subjective, but many consumers and publications agree). The price was actually a toss-up given the enormous amounts of cash laying on the hood of every ILX at that point, leaving each vehicle around $25,500 for the actual price.

I don't think Mazda is superior to Acura as a rule, but when it comes to those particular compact sedans, I think Mazda won that round. Clearly, Acura's compact sedan ought to be superior, and I bet on their second try for the ILX, it will be. The new powertrain in the ILX is a good start, and a more refined and somehow more spacious feeling interior will put it over the top. My hair constantly touched the roof of the ILX with the seat at it's lowest setting, and I am 6'1 - tall, but not that tall.



I agree with everything you said. Which is big problems for Acura!

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Re: 2016 ILX Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-08-2015 05:24
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For 2016 I think this is a different story.

The 2016 ILX accelerates to 60 a full second faster than the 2015 Mazda3 2.5, at least according to Car and Driver. It's also a bit nicer and has more features.

THX17201
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Re: 2016 ILX Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-08-2015 11:20
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benbess wrote:
For 2016 I think this is a different story.

The 2016 ILX accelerates to 60 a full second faster than the 2015 Mazda3 2.5, at least according to Car and Driver. It's also a bit nicer and has more features.



The Mazda3 is a Civic competitor, not the ILX.

CarmB
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Re: 2016 ILX Reviewsq    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-08-2015 12:07
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It's a lot more complicated than 0-60 times. The ILX is likely quicker and certainly quieter than the Mazda 3 but there are packaging issues, at least here in Canada. The base 2016 ILX MSRPs at $29,490. The Mazda 3 GT starts at $25,995 in sedan form and $26,995 as a five-door. The Mazda is available with a MT. The ILX only comes with a DCT that is proving to have issues in colder weather with some owners of the TLX. The GT comes with a top-grade stereo. To get a quality sound system in the ILX requires the Tech package which MSRPs at $33,490.

The ILX does come with remote start and assorted high-tech safety features. You can get remote start in any Mazda 3 for about $500 from the dealer and safety features are available in the top trim with the tech and luxury packages that bring the 3 sedan to around $29,000.

When you consider that the 3 is roughly $4,000 cheaper than the ILX comparably equiped and can be had in GT trim with a MT and a premium stereo, it puts the ILX at a great disadvantage for quite a few consumers.

The ILX is stuck with a transmission that is causing headaches for owners of the TLX and there is no MT option. Meanwhile the top stereo can only be had in the ILX Tech. And it costs quite a lot more than the Mazda 3. That adds up to poor packaging, certainly here in Canada.

benbess
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Re: 2016 ILX Reviewsq    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-08-2015 19:34
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Well, if you want a manual clearly the Mazda3 is a possible choice. But at that point I'd get an Accord Sport 6MT or an Accord EX 6MT.

If getting a manual, I think the ILX is really a better car than a loaded Mazda3. Getting to 60 a full second faster is a significant difference.

Just my 2 cents.

We can agree to disagree.

benbess
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Re: 2016 ILX Reviewsq    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-08-2015 21:05
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Correction. Meant to write

If getting an auto, I think the ILX is really a better car than a loaded Mazda3. Getting to 60 a full second faster is a significant difference.

typer_801
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Re: 2016 ILX Reviewsq    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-08-2015 22:06
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While the Accord's are a tremendous value, they are spartanly equipped compared to a 3 Grand Touring.

No nicely trimmed leather (seats, steering wheel), lousy stereo, no XM, no sunroof (Sport), no push button start, no bi-xenon HID's, no rain sensing wipers, etc. The 3 has a ton of features you can't get at any price on a manual transmission Accord. It's a matter of priorities and preference, not one being better or worse.

benbess wrote:
Well, if you want a manual clearly the Mazda3 is a possible choice. But at that point I'd get an Accord Sport 6MT or an Accord EX 6MT.

If getting a manual, I think the ILX is really a better car than a loaded Mazda3. Getting to 60 a full second faster is a significant difference.

Just my 2 cents.

We can agree to disagree.



benbess
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Re: 2016 ILX Reviewsq    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-08-2015 22:28
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The Accord EX 6MT does have smart entry/push button start, a moonroof, 6 speaker stereo, etc.

But the Mazda3 certainly has lots of options.

CarmB
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Re: 2016 ILX Reviewsq    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-23-2015 10:00
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It's not as if the Mazda follows the German luxury approach of making a lot of expensive options available. There are only a few packages available, and a handful of add-on options, but there does seem to be a degree of flexibility in Mazda's packaging that reflects the market needs far better than what is being offered by Honda and especially Acura, at least here in Canada.

Honda really doesn't give the consumer a whole lot of choice. It's targeting a specific group of consumers and if you're not part of that target group, you're SOL.


 
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