iutodd
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NorCalSales wrote:
92 on hand, 63 in transit.
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NorCalSales - according to the kicking tires blog (http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2011/10/movers-and-losers-september-2011.html - sorry, in chrome I can't make a link) the 2012 Odyssey, Pilot, Accord Sedan and Fit are not staying on lots for very long...is this something you've noticed?
Cool stuff about the Honda Plant in Indiana (my home state). Are they just making Civic's there?
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NorCalSales
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Turn rate average is about 75 days, 60 days is performing well above average.
Ody-23 days
Accord - 19 days
Civics - 16 days (does not include IMA)
Fit - 8 days
Pilot - 42 days
CRV- 20 days
Ridgeline- 54 days
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iutodd
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NorCalSales wrote:
Turn rate average is about 75 days, 60 days is performing well above average.
Ody-23 days
Accord - 19 days
Civics - 16 days (does not include IMA)
Fit - 8 days
Pilot - 42 days
CRV- 20 days
Ridgeline- 54 days
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Thanks...good luck selling.
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danielgr
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iutodd wrote:
[...]Cool stuff about the Honda Plant in Indiana (my home state). Are they just making Civic's there?
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Some have speculated before about the reasons for the 1-2 months CR-V delay. Personally, I think it's impossible for any automaker to change anything on a new model in that time lapse. Whatever the delay had to be related to manufacturing, supply, or market situation. Given all the hardships experienced by Honda facilities this year, I don't think that's crazily unlikely. A quick random example:
- unable to start second shift at Indiana before 10/24, Honda couldn't ensure having as many new CR-Vs as they wanted at launch without eroding even more on suffering Civic prod.
- that situation got even worse considering recent JPY uptake, which means Honda doesn't want to make any CR-V in Japan, and therefore needs to boost East-Liberty CR-V share as much as possible (that is when Indiana Civic capacity x2 comes into play);
- with the LA Show just around the corner, some of the loses made by delayed market intro could be offset by the additional buzz generated by an "AutoShow global debut" (though the big deal is obviously increased NA-prod share vs. gold-like JPY).
Again, that was just an "example" of what could have happened, not saying it is what happened.
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danielgr
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And just when we thought this was "over" (or getting close to it).
Impact of Thailand Flooding on Honda's Automobile Operations in North America
effective November 2, Honda will take the following actions:
•Honda will temporarily adjust automobile production at all six Honda auto plants in the U.S. and Canada. Currently, it is anticipated that this situation will require adjustments for the next several weeks.
•Auto production will be at approximately 50% of the original plan through Nov. 10. Subsequent adjustments will be announced as they are determined based on the parts supply situation.
•All Saturday overtime work will be canceled through November.
•A non-production day is scheduled for Friday, Nov. 11.
•The December on-sale date of the all-new 2012 Honda CR-V could potentially be delayed by several weeks. The on-sale date will be announced in the near future.
In 2010, 87 percent of the Honda and Acura automobiles sold in the United States were produced in North America. While the vast majority of parts and materials used to produce these products are purchased from suppliers in North America, a few critical electronic parts are sourced from Thailand and other regions of the world. Honda is working closely with its suppliers in Thailand and throughout its global network to reestablish the flow of parts for the products made in North America.
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NorCalSales
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97 on Hand, 70 in transit.
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giltibo
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HCM2 (Alliston ON) will also produce CR-Vs in the new year now that the second shift is open in Indiana. HCM2 now produces the MDX, ZDX as well as Civic Sedans.
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danielgr
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Update on Thai situation (link)
•Honda will continue to temporarily adjust automobile production at all six Honda auto plants in the U.S. and Canada. Currently, it is anticipated that this situation will require adjustments for the next several weeks.
•Auto production rates will vary from plant-to-plant, but some plants will produce at rates above the previously-announced 50 percent of the original plan through Nov. 23 (just prior to Thanksgiving break), and through Nov. 25 in Canada.
•Subsequent adjustments will be announced as they are determined based on the parts supply situation.
•In addition to the non-production day already announced for Friday, Nov.11, a non-production day is scheduled for Friday, Nov.18.
•The all-new 2012 Honda CR-V will be launched on schedule in December.
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NorCalSales
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84 on hand, 83 in transit, 27 out already this month. Damn the Torpedos, full speed ahead.
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according2kev
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Shouldn't we have photo gallery by now?
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2003_UB313
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danielgr wrote:
Update on Thai situation (link)
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From Bloomberg-BusinessWeek:
... [T]wo Honda plants in the Rojana Industrial Park have been submerged since Oct. 6, Jessada Thongpak, an analyst at IHS Global Automotive, said in a report yesterday. “It may take until late 2012 to rebuild both plants,”
Those are the two main auto plants of Honda in Thailand, which feeds other plants in S.E.Asia like the Philippines.
The imnpact of the Thai flood on Honda is more severe than any other automakers, and will probably be no less than the Japanese quake twin disaster if it takes until late 2012 to rebuild.
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NorCalSales
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Don't assume the parts supply chains are the same in the two disasters.
88 on hand, 96 in transit.
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2003_UB313
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From Motor Trend:
"... [Honda Chief Financial Officer Fumihiko] Ike told Automotive News that the floods hit about 35 of Honda’s Tier 1 suppliers in Thailand, which will cause parts shortages for cars such as the Civic and Japanese-market Honda City – produced in Thailand and other countries. Among the worst hit by the floods are manufacturers of small electronics components. Meanwhile, the company’s assembly plant in Aytthaya has been underwater since October 8. [...]
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I don't know when the water will recede or how long it'll take to restore the production facilities but it's definitely a long road ahead. And AFAIK, no other automakers' plant is submerged!
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They should build the next factory with a roof test track and the assembly line on the second or third floor. That way they can park the car on the roof if something like this happens again.
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HondaJet
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I was on Honda.com build and price and looking at the 2012 Honda Civic HF and I saw this small print at the bottom when I was changing the colors of the car,
"[1] Due to paint pigmentation production disruptions, this color will be available in one of two slightly different shades of the same color during the 2012 model year. Please see your Honda dealer for details."
Any of you guys have light on this very interesting info?
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NorCalSales
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Burgundy and dark blue come in I and II colors, obviously made at different factories. For example, we could not order Tango Red PearlI for quite some time, then when we could it was Tango Red PearlII. I put them side by side, to heck if I can see any difference. If I remember right the White on the Accord changed mid stream besides.
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NorCalSales
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101 on hand, 77 in transit. The first time we have had over 100 cars on the ground since... I don't even recall actually.
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NorCalSales
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Daniel, do you have last months production numbers? I am curious how they will stack up against sales.
120 on hand, 62 incoming.
That on hand + in transit number always seems to come out about the same.
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NorCalSales
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122/52
Is the nightmare almost over?
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HONDA AFVM
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NorCalSales wrote:
122/52
Is the nightmare almost over?
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We expect our 1st 2012's CRV's to drop mid next week........yours?
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danielgr
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NorCalSales wrote:
Daniel, do you have last months production numbers? I am curious how they will stack up against sales.
120 on hand, 62 incoming.
That on hand + in transit number always seems to come out about the same.
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Catch up has started, but then again, you'll see it going down when November figures get published due to spreading of Thai flooding impact (myself I'm waiting for a piece for my CR-Z ...). Fortunately it seems the situation was normalized in early December in most places outside ASEAN (including NA Dec1 and JP Dec5).
PS: Saw the CR-V on my local dealer the other day and... looks rather nice.
Production
- Apr : 53,624 (-52%) ; source Honda
- May : 59,741 (-44%) ; source Honda
- Jun : 62,900 (-38%) ; source Honda
- Jul : 49,323 (-51.6%) ; source Honda
- Aug: 109,397 (-5%) ; source Honda
- Sep: 119,425 (+8.5%) ; source Honda
- Oct: 125,331 (+12.9%); source Honda
For reference, JP exports to NA:
- Feb : 17,959 (+39.2%)
- Mar : 15,106 (-1.0%)
- Apr : 4,544 (-73.1%)
- May : 6,331 (-59.0%)
- Jun : 7,583 (-65.6%)
- Jul : 14,614 (-26.9%)
- Aug : 12,481 (-35.4%)
- Sep : 13,036 (-23.5%)
- Oct : 25737 (+68.1%)
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NorCalSales
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We moved 107 last month, holding onto that top 300 mark at 288. On hand + in tansit just doesn't seem to ever get any bigger and for some reason Pilots are in short supply at a time of the year they sell like hotcakes. Maybe with both 11 and 12 CRVs being made in Alabama the Pilot productions was lowered. Who knows really but really poor timing yet again.
Right now I have 7 and 5-6 more before the end of the month.
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NorCalSales
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Our CRVs are sitting at port in Richmond like cordwood. We are getting 9 on the first drop. One car we move a crapload of here in semi-rural Sonoma County is CRV's, it looks like we will have a pretty nice supply of them even with some (15%) production dates kicking back a dozen days or so. Looks like we have 34 on top of the 9 at port now due to be produced this month.
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aznstuart
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Do dealers usually charge full MSRP (or even markups) for the first batch of a redesigned generation? When do you think they will be willing to deal closer to invoice?
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NorCalSales
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many dealers do markups, we never do. That said they will be close to sticker cars at release. Our plan right now is $500 off sticker but that is far from set in stone.
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superchg
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Based on early reports, it sounds like the CRV is a pretty nice little SUV. It also sounds like they will keep the prices competitive.
I see nothing wrong with a dealer being allowed to make a fair profit (beyond hold back), especially if the car is a good value and in demand.
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danielgr
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November numbers are out and, as predicted, there is a noticeable hit from the floods. That said, the tsunami days are way behind now and production is said to have recovered full output on Dec1st.
Production
- Apr : 53,624 (-52%) ; source Honda
- May : 59,741 (-44%) ; source Honda
- Jun : 62,900 (-38%) ; source Honda
- Jul : 49,323 (-51.6%) ; source Honda
- Aug: 109,397 (-5%) ; source Honda
- Sep: 119,425 (+8.5%) ; source Honda
- Oct: 125,331 (+12.9%); source Honda
- Nov: 100,019 (-8%) ; source Automotive News estimate
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NorCalSales
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122/67, finally closing in on 200 cars combined.
39 out for the month
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danielgr
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Revising the initial AutomotiveNews estimate (~100k) comes the Honda official figure for November (much worse, ~84k).
That said, the tsunami days are way behind now and production is said to have recovered full output on Dec1st. Honda expects to recover normal inventory levels by the end of March, 2012 sales to end up ~20% on 2011 (link).
Production
- Apr : 53,624 (-52%) ; source Honda
- May : 59,741 (-44%) ; source Honda
- Jun : 62,900 (-38%) ; source Honda
- Jul : 49,323 (-51.6%) ; source Honda
- Aug: 109,397 (-5%) ; source Honda
- Sep: 119,425 (+8.5%) ; source Honda
- Oct: 125,331 (+12.9%); source Honda
- Nov: 84,812 (-21.9%) ; source Honda
For reference, JP exports to NA:
- Feb : 17,959 (+39.2%)
- Mar : 15,106 (-1.0%)
- Apr : 4,544 (-73.1%)
- May : 6,331 (-59.0%)
- Jun : 7,583 (-65.6%)
- Jul : 14,614 (-26.9%)
- Aug : 12,481 (-35.4%)
- Sep : 13,036 (-23.5%)
- Oct : 25,737 (+68.1%)
- Nov : 14,466 (-14.6%)
Last edited by danielgr on 01-06-2012 21:06
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danielgr wrote:
Revising the initial AutomotiveNews estimate (~100k) comes the Honda official figure for November (much worse, ~84k).
That said, the tsunami days are way behind now and production is said to have recovered full output on Dec1st. Honda expects to recover normal inventory levels by the end of March, 2012 sales to end up ~20% on 2011
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March? Dang it... we need a car NOW. It's been almost nine months since AHM stopped selling to associates.
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