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After recent positive signs in Japan (link), Honda's NA production keeps slow recovery after 3/11 quake disaster.
- April : 53,624 (-52%) ; source Honda
- May : 59,741 (-44%) ; source Honda
- June : 65,704 (-36%) ; source AutomotiveNews
With that in mind, no-one should be surprised to see yet another month of sales decrease in June ... though I know, the main reason is competition is too strong for Honda / Toyota to cope with it.
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danielgr wrote:
After recent positive signs in Japan (link), Honda's NA production keeps slow recovery after 3/11 quake disaster.
- April : 53,624 (-52%) ; source Honda
- May : 59,741 (-44%) ; source Honda
- June : 65,704 (-36%) ; source AutomotiveNews
With that in mind, no-one should be surprised to see yet another month of sales decrease in June ... though I know, the main reason is competition is too strong for Honda / Toyota to cope with it. |
No Daniel, its that the competition is getting better (unlike the closed auto market in Japan, there is competition here in the states).
Glad to see production is coming back on line for all of the posters here on TOV that make a living selling Hondas and Acuras.
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longhorn wrote:
danielgr wrote:
After recent positive signs in Japan (link), Honda's NA production keeps slow recovery after 3/11 quake disaster.
- April : 53,624 (-52%) ; source Honda
- May : 59,741 (-44%) ; source Honda
- June : 65,704 (-36%) ; source AutomotiveNews
With that in mind, no-one should be surprised to see yet another month of sales decrease in June ... though I know, the main reason is competition is too strong for Honda / Toyota to cope with it. |
No Daniel, its that the competition is getting better (unlike the closed auto market in Japan, there is competition here in the states).
Glad to see production is coming back on line for all of the posters here on TOV that make a living selling Hondas and Acuras.
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It is easy for competition to sell more than Honda when Honda is out of cars to sell. Was it in 2008 or 2009 that Honda Civic sold more than 50000 units in one month, even beating the Ford F 150, only car to have done so for 2-3 decades. Honda sold less the following months as they run out of stock.
This time around the competition sells more than Honda because Honda do not have enough cars to sell. That Cruze sold most in June, big deal, it is still only half what Civic sold in a month few years ago and still lower than what Honda sold of the Civic before they run out of vehicles.
Those that think Honda is selling less because of competition is taking their sales is out of tune with reality. Only reason Honda is down is because of lack of supply due to the earthquake/tsunami.
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45 cars left and going down daily... multiple dealers in my zone with under 10 days supply on the ground... it's gotta be the product...right?
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danielgr
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longhorn wrote:
danielgr wrote:
After recent positive signs in Japan (link), Honda's NA production keeps slow recovery after 3/11 quake disaster.
- April : 53,624 (-52%) ; source Honda
- May : 59,741 (-44%) ; source Honda
- June : 65,704 (-36%) ; source AutomotiveNews
With that in mind, no-one should be surprised to see yet another month of sales decrease in June ... though I know, the main reason is competition is too strong for Honda / Toyota to cope with it. |
No Daniel, its that the competition is getting better (unlike the closed auto market in Japan, there is competition here in the states).
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Nobody here is arguing about whether the competition is getting better or not, but about the most likely reason for Honda (& Toyota) double digit sales decrease in the US market April through June (and most likeley July).
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NorCalSales wrote:
45 cars left and going down daily... multiple dealers in my zone with under 10 days supply on the ground... it's gotta be the product...right?
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Minus our RLs and ZDXs, we're down to 32 new. We'd normally have 80-90 new.
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P54 wrote:
Was it in 2008 or 2009 that Honda Civic sold more than 50000 units in one month, even beating the Ford F 150, only car to have done so for 2-3 decades. Honda sold less the following months as they run out of stock. |
May 2008. Crazy time. $4.00/gallon gas and everyone with a landbarge decided to unload it for a huge loss and buy a brand new fuel efficient car. I think more than a few of them lost more money on their tradeins than they would've spent on gas for their old vehicle, but we didn't know what gas prices would do. Anyway.
P54 wrote:Only reason Honda is down is because of lack of supply due to the earthquake/tsunami.
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It's the predominant reason, the overwhelming reason, perhaps. I wouldn't say it's the only reason. There might need to be a little concern looking ahead once production and distribution has returned to normal, that these months will give Honda's non-Japanese competitors a good chance to get conquests into their showrooms and into their vehicles. I'm sure there are a number of folks waiting for Honda's vehicle stocks to replenish, but the ones who can't or choose not to wait may be lost for years, and they may influence the people in their lives. On top of that, Japan disaster aside, the competition is getting increasingly heavy. If I was in the market (I'm not anymore after the disappointing Si), Honda/Acura wouldn't be the no-brainer, default choice anymore. There wouldn't be a no-brainer, default choice. There's more to sample - and I'm a Honda enthusiast, former died-in-the-wool uber "fanboy", right. So consider that, and consider what people who are less "hardcore Honda" are thinking.
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330R wrote:
There's more to sample - and I'm a Honda enthusiast, former died-in-the-wool uber "fanboy", right. So consider that, and consider what people who are less "hardcore Honda" are thinking.
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Actually, I think that less 'hardcore Honda' customers are quite fine with the product offerings.
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Colin wrote:
330R wrote:
There's more to sample - and I'm a Honda enthusiast, former died-in-the-wool uber "fanboy", right. So consider that, and consider what people who are less "hardcore Honda" are thinking.
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Actually, I think that less 'hardcore Honda' customers are quite fine with the product offerings.
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What's to keep them from being quite fine with others' product offerings, though? By "hardcore" in my earlier post, I didn't mean in performance terms. I mean in loyalty. When things get down to the transportation appliance level, where Camry-Accord-Altima-Sonata-Optima-Malibu-Fusion-6-Passat are almost interchangeable with people, things like features, price, styling, availability, financing, even dealer proximity to home become factors in the purchasing decision. In years past, people may have bought a Honda just because it's a Honda. There is more competition today, and less availability right now for Accord in my example. Accord is in its 4th year, so not the perfect example for product freshness, but there is also the "Honda resting on their laurels" contingent out there, as well, which ties in to the competitiveness level.
There will always (at least as far as I care to imagine) people who will not even shop another brand and will buy Honda by default. I'm sure Honda is happy to have them, but maybe not too worried about impressing them.
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330R wrote:
Colin wrote:
330R wrote:
There's more to sample - and I'm a Honda enthusiast, former died-in-the-wool uber "fanboy", right. So consider that, and consider what people who are less "hardcore Honda" are thinking.
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Actually, I think that less 'hardcore Honda' customers are quite fine with the product offerings.
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What's to keep them from being quite fine with others' product offerings, though? By "hardcore" in my earlier post, I didn't mean in performance terms. I mean in loyalty. When things get down to the transportation appliance level, where Camry-Accord-Altima-Sonata-Optima-Malibu-Fusion-6-Passat are almost interchangeable with people, things like features, price, styling, availability, financing, even dealer proximity to home become factors in the purchasing decision. In years past, people may have bought a Honda just because it's a Honda. There is more competition today, and less availability right now for Accord in my example. Accord is in its 4th year, so not the perfect example for product freshness, but there is also the "Honda resting on their laurels" contingent out there, as well, which ties in to the competitiveness level.
There will always (at least as far as I care to imagine) people who will not even shop another brand and will buy Honda by default. I'm sure Honda is happy to have them, but maybe not too worried about impressing them.
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It may also be that the kind of products that used to impress you (like a 8000rpm Civic) aren't available, and that the one's that could impress you now (like a CR-Z or a Fit hybrid do impress me) are not of your likes.
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330R
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danielgr wrote:
Personally, I always wondered the kind of crappy cars you may have had in the US during past decades... but at least in Europe or Japan regular Honda's have never stood more from the competition than in present times.
It may also be that the kind of products that used to impress you (like a 8000rpm Civic) aren't available, and that the one's that could impress you now (like a CR-Z or a Fit hybrid do impress me) are not of your likes.
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First, even though I haven't had a chance to read it except for a couple of excerpts, you guys might want to look into Bob Lutz's new book, "Car Guys vs Bean Counters: The Battle for the Soul of American Business". It sounds like an educational and entertaining read for folks interested in what goes on inside these monolithic corporations and how and why they make the decisions they do and what happens when they fall into complacency. Lutz was not only with GM, but also BMW, Ford and Chrysler. He's a self-professed product guy, or car guy, versus a bean counter, I guess.
To your comments, well, say 20 years ago, the Civic and Accord were substantially better than most anything in their class or even the class above, from Detroit, thanks to their complacency, egos, layers of bureaucracy, MBAs who didn't know jack about the car industry, and the pursuit of profit over the pursuit of making good cars. Like, so much on another level in refinement, quality, reliability, drivability, cost to own (service and repairs), of course resale value, and more, that they converted untold numbers of people into repeat or lifelong Honda owners. Obviously Toyota and Nissan were producing compelling products, too, and Mazda had a smaller piece of the pie but they also had good cars in the 626, Protege, etc. Volkswagen in the US was positioned as more premium generally, and had a smaller niche in the market.
I see this could get really lengthy and it's 2am here, so I'll just sum up with, there were some really crappy cars, some good ones, but even the ones that weren't crappy couldn't touch Honda's blend of economical to own, solid, and fun to drive. And I know some folks are of the opinion that, well, the others simply finally caught up to Honda, but I really feel like Honda was trying harder back then. They sweated the details and it showed.
As for the kind of Honda products that impress me or are of my liking, you're quite right and that's certainly the main reason why I'm not in the market for a Honda. If they offered what I'm after, then the no-brainer scenario I mentioned earlier would probably arise again. Again, even though it has dilluted over the past however many years (I don't keep track exactly), I am still a Honda nut, as evidenced by my continued blathering on here. Even after feeling like Honda kicked me in the stomach a few too many times (maybe a bad analogy because getting kicked once is once too many, eh? ;) ) which in itself is a product of being otaku (otherwise I wouldn't give a crap what they did). People like the crazies on TOV don't represent the common car owner/operator. I've loved the way Honda does things, on a level that most people might not even notice or care that much about, take for granted, or believe they can get somewhere else, or don't bother forsaking in order to get more tech toys or a lower price. Those people may not be so loyal when the competition is more fierce, and yes it is more fierce in the American car market mainstream classes than it has been in decades, in the sheer number of players with really good cars.
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About the '20 years ago' part of my post.. I originally was going to continue on that line of thought, but realized I need to get some sleep. But I'll try and sum that one up by saying, 5 years ago, the Dodge Neon was still a turd. The Jeep Compass is a turd today, amiright? :D The first gen Taurus was a solid effort for Ford, compared to a Chevy Lumina or something. It's not set in strict lines, not all domestics were crap, and not all are great today, and even "good" European cars are aspirational, have "soul", but can be expensive to maintain and buggy, and I'd imagine that holds true in whatever market they're sold in.
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yes, the were a lot of crappy cars, but Honda/Acura used to deliver a lot of performance too.
You have to keep in mind that the Honda & Acura used to build mainstream cars that offered performance within a wisker or better than the domestic muscle cars. In 1997, the Integra Type-R was arguably a better performing car in all aspects (accel, turning, braking) than a Mustang GT (4.6L V8 only 215hp). The Camaro Z28 offered better straight line acceleration with it's 5.7L LT1 V8 (285hp), but the ITR was still within 0.75 seconds in the quarter mile (low 14's for Z and high 14's for ITR).
Every tactile element of the driving experience favored the ITR. Even a lesser GS-R still compared favorably to those cars.
Fast forward 15 years and neither Honda nor Acura has anything that offers even remotely similar performance to those domestic icons. Camaro and Mustang both over 410hp, brembos, great handling, under $30K.
With the HP wars that have raged for Domestic, German and Korean manufacturers....Honda has chosen to not engage. That unfortanutely has limited their appeal with enthusiasts who not only want a 'fun' car to drive, but also something that won't get embarassed at a stop light, dragway or even a chat room.
The product choices have become vanilla and short of the outstanding reliability & resale, it's a reluctant sell to get into a new Honda these days.
danielgr wrote:
Personally, I always wondered the kind of crappy cars you may have had in the US during past decades... but at least in Europe or Japan regular Honda's have never stood more from the competition than in present times.
It may also be that the kind of products that used to impress you (like a 8000rpm Civic) aren't available, and that the one's that could impress you now (like a CR-Z or a Fit hybrid do impress me) are not of your likes.
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Colin
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330R wrote:
Colin wrote:
330R wrote:
There's more to sample - and I'm a Honda enthusiast, former died-in-the-wool uber "fanboy", right. So consider that, and consider what people who are less "hardcore Honda" are thinking.
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Actually, I think that less 'hardcore Honda' customers are quite fine with the product offerings.
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What's to keep them from being quite fine with others' product offerings, though? By "hardcore" in my earlier post, I didn't mean in performance terms. I mean in loyalty.
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Probably the only thing keeping them 'fine' is that despite the hatred here, for many people a car like Accord is still a competitive package amongst the current competition.
For most buyers, it's more engaging to drive than the front strut cars like Camry-Altima-Malibu-Fusion...
More reliable than Malibu-Fusion-Passat...
And will probably resell better than Sonata-Optima-Passat-Malibu-Fusion...
Anyway, I love how every single post descends into the same old arguments. This was a simple post stating that production will soon improve.
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While I can understand how many forumers here have passionate feelings about the current state of Honda (I am one of them, and not all the feelings are positive), still often I would like to focus just on the topic we are discussing. It can get tiring to talk and argue about the same thing in every thread.
From the ASEAN point of view, the production problems are really costing Honda a lot. I -personally- saw at least THREE sure sales went away to the competitor. Friends, customers, they were confirmed buys and when they approached Honda dealers, they were given unfavourable conditions. Inflexible pricing, lack of choice on colour, non-commital on delivery date, often even lack of choice on the variant. It was a case of 'take it or leave it'. Lots of customers are fed-up of this kind of shit from the old days when they were forced to buy the local Proton cars in Malaysia for e.g. And they definitely did not like it from Honda. So three sure sales were lost. And before anyone tries to argue with me that people who decided not to buy from Honda are not 'sure sales', do be aware that those same people ended up buying Hyundai and Peugeot. If I include friends who asked but ended up not buying, it is more like 5 or 6. For every potential customer that got upset at the 'take it or leave it' message given to them by a Honda dealer, who justified it by the fact that they are not getting the cars from Honda Malaysia for e.g. or that allocations are so low they needed to protect their sales people's livelihood, there are lots of competitors eager to court those customers over. People say "so you have a production problem. I am sorry about the earthquake. But that doesn't mean I can be taken for a ride".
From my point of view, the announcement that production is returning back to normal in August came a little bit too late. My own best friend ended up buying a Peugeot SUV while he was looking at a Stream. They have owned Hondas all their live, including their family members. It is sad how much the March earthquake really affected Honda's business.
Even now, Honda dealers are far from positive and there are customers who continue to get upset from their attitude. When I confronted one dealer recently, the reply was "So what ? Honda claims production returns to normal in August. I have yet to see that in the allocations so far".
With car prices going higher and higher, a general escalation in cost of living without the appropriate improvement in salary levels in this part of the world, people are settling for car loans that now stretches to 7, 9 or even 10 years. This means once a customer commits on another brand, then he/she is likely to be lost for at least 5 years, often longer.
How will Honda emerge from this, what in my opinion is their most trying period (worst than the recent economic crisis). I am waiting to find out and I wish them the best of luck. I know for a fact that Honda Malaysia is preparing for a massive promotion campaign come end of the year when production returns to normal and they try to make up for lost sales. The biggest problem is how much damage the nasty dealer attitudes have done.
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I don't claim to have a ton of connections but I know I have said here a few times...
Truck production is 100% in early September, this will be end of September/early October deliveries. (Last weeks MOVE confirmed this).
Car production is 100% in Mid October, this is early to mid November delivery.
This is not going to be enough to get dealers back up to normal inventory, 100% assumes I have more than 44 cars, there will be 125% of normal MOVEs starting in September/October(truck/car) for December/January delivery on a shipload of vehicles (pun intended).
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330R
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Colin wrote:
I love how every single post descends into the same old arguments. This was a simple post stating that production will soon improve.
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*Ahem*
I understand that you're not getting what you want, but this is true for many things in life - right?
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Autotrader is showing about 600 2012 Civics in a 200 mile radius of my zip code, so the cars are coming from somewhere.
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We are a 300/1100 dealer when you look at volume, not huge but above average. Pulling out an inventory from last year I had 38 Sedans, 14 Coupes, 14 Hybrids. That would mean I was carrying 11% of your number, 1 medium sized dealer. Bigger dealers carry over 100 Civics at a time.
I show 142 in that same 200 mile range from my door so you must live somewhere with a more sizeable population than I... and I am in the 4th largest market. Follow the math and last year I had almost 50% of what is currently on the ground. If things were where they should be a 200 mile search for me should pop up easily over a thousand cars instead of the 142 is shows. 600 cars sounds like a lot, reality is it is a drop in the bucket in a large market.
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Colin
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330R wrote:
Colin wrote:
I love how every single post descends into the same old arguments. This was a simple post stating that production will soon improve.
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*Ahem*
I understand that you're not getting what you want, but this is true for many things in life - right?
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But I certainly don't write that in every thread right? Verses some people taking most threads into this typical downward spiral.
To which, the reply will be, "it wouldn't be a downward spiral of Honda made what we want"
To which the reply is, "you don't have to visit a forum for a brand you hate"
To which the reply is. "I've had XX number of Hondas over the years so I'm qualified to complain"
and on and on and on.....
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DCR wrote:
Autotrader is showing about 600 2012 Civics in a 200 mile radius of my zip code, so the cars are coming from somewhere.
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Didn't you notice Honda sold 17k Civics past month? Where do you think people bought them if not dealers?? The point is if not because of production limitations they'd be selling nearly ~2x that.
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330R
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Colin wrote:
330R wrote:
Colin wrote:
I love how every single post descends into the same old arguments. This was a simple post stating that production will soon improve.
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*Ahem*
I understand that you're not getting what you want, but this is true for many things in life - right?
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But I certainly don't write that in every thread right? Verses some people taking most threads into this typical downward spiral.
To which, the reply will be, "it wouldn't be a downward spiral of Honda made what we want"
To which the reply is, "you don't have to visit a forum for a brand you hate"
To which the reply is. "I've had XX number of Hondas over the years so I'm qualified to complain"
and on and on and on.....
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Ok, let me stop you right there. Colin, if I hated Honda, I wouldn't be here. Read that however many times you need for it to finally sink in. I might waste too much time on here, but doing that while not even liking Honda? That's the flaw that makes your line of reasoning problematic and faulty. So you don't like how threads progress or regress on TOV. Guess what, there are problems and TOVers are unhappy. You may want people to shut up, like that will make everything just rosy, but you're not going to get that. Same thing you face at Acurazine. You may feel like you're being ganged up on, being in sales, since you nearly always support whatever Honda/Acura is doing, or may be tired of hearing the complaints, or lamenting how a simple thread about production slowly recovering changes course into something you consider more negative bickering. P54 said he thought the only problem Honda faces is slow production and low volumes. I disagreed, because that is too simplistic and a little too kool-aid for reality. So sorry to point that out. If you want only the facts with no rude interruptions, maybe hondanews or IN main page is what you're looking for. Or maybe your blog, where you can delete any nagging comment that makes you possibly see Honda isn't perfect. Or maybe the sales folks can have their own private forum where they won't be pestered by the plebs who, you know, actually buy or don't buy the product.
And I am qualified to complain, just like everyone else. What do you think gives you the right to want to silence people or disqualify them? I wasn't looking to come in and crash this thread, not at all. A troll would do that, and I'm not a troll. At the same time, I'm not going to be quiet if I have something to say.
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330R
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But you know what?
Daniel, would you please delete my posts in this thread? Just keep it to strictly dealer sales peeps talking amongst themselves. Reality will take its course without me saying a word.
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danielgr wrote:
DCR wrote:
Autotrader is showing about 600 2012 Civics in a 200 mile radius of my zip code, so the cars are coming from somewhere.
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Didn't you notice Honda sold 17k Civics past month? Where do you think people bought them if not dealers?? The point is if not because of production limitations they'd be selling nearly ~2x that.
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IF, but we don't know that. I see 2012's on the lots here, so it isn't like they are flying away.
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330R wrote:
Colin wrote:
330R wrote:
Colin wrote:
I love how every single post descends into the same old arguments. This was a simple post stating that production will soon improve.
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*Ahem*
I understand that you're not getting what you want, but this is true for many things in life - right?
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But I certainly don't write that in every thread right? Verses some people taking most threads into this typical downward spiral.
To which, the reply will be, "it wouldn't be a downward spiral of Honda made what we want"
To which the reply is, "you don't have to visit a forum for a brand you hate"
To which the reply is. "I've had XX number of Hondas over the years so I'm qualified to complain"
and on and on and on.....
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Ok, let me stop you right there. Colin, if I hated Honda, I wouldn't be here. Read that however many times you need for it to finally sink in. I might waste too much time on here, but doing that while not even liking Honda? That's the flaw that makes your line of reasoning problematic and faulty. So you don't like how threads progress or regress on TOV. Guess what, there are problems and TOVers are unhappy. You may want people to shut up, like that will make everything just rosy, but you're not going to get that. Same thing you face at Acurazine. You may feel like you're being ganged up on, being in sales, since you nearly always support whatever Honda/Acura is doing, or may be tired of hearing the complaints, or lamenting how a simple thread about production slowly recovering changes course into something you consider more negative bickering. P54 said he thought the only problem Honda faces is slow production and low volumes. I disagreed, because that is too simplistic and a little too kool-aid for reality. So sorry to point that out. If you want only the facts with no rude interruptions, maybe hondanews or IN main page is what you're looking for. Or maybe your blog, where you can delete any nagging comment that makes you possibly see Honda isn't perfect. Or maybe the sales folks can have their own private forum where they won't be pestered by the plebs who, you know, actually buy or don't buy the product.
And I am qualified to complain, just like everyone else. What do you think gives you the right to want to silence people or disqualify them? I wasn't looking to come in and crash this thread, not at all. A troll would do that, and I'm not a troll. At the same time, I'm not going to be quiet if I have something to say.
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LOL, everything is so black and white with you. I don't want to censure people. I was only lamenting the lack of thread discipline. And I don't like everything Honda/Acura does, but complaining about the same things it in EVERY thread isn't going to change that. Finally, I was never specifically speaking do you when I said "some people" in my reply in your message.
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330R
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Colin wrote:
LOL, everything is so black and white with you. I don't want to censure people. I was only lamenting the lack of thread discipline. And I don't like everything Honda/Acura does, but complaining about the same things it in EVERY thread isn't going to change that. Finally, I was never specifically speaking do you when I said "some people" in my reply in your message. |
Everything is black and white with me? Then you go on to say "every thread" has complaining about the same things? What? Can I say that you always say that?
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Current turn rate on Civics in the west coast region - 12 days.
Sorry, that is absurdly quick, between 45-60 day turn is solid. Numbers don't lie.
DCR where are you located?
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330R wrote:
Colin wrote:
LOL, everything is so black and white with you. I don't want to censure people. I was only lamenting the lack of thread discipline. And I don't like everything Honda/Acura does, but complaining about the same things it in EVERY thread isn't going to change that. Finally, I was never specifically speaking do you when I said "some people" in my reply in your message. |
Everything is black and white with me? Then you go on to say "every thread" has complaining about the same things? What? Can I say that you always say that?
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And that's why I don't complain in every thread.
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NorCalSales wrote:
I don't claim to have a ton of connections but I know I have said here a few times...
Truck production is 100% in early September, this will be end of September/early October deliveries. (Last weeks MOVE confirmed this).
Car production is 100% in Mid October, this is early to mid November delivery.
This is not going to be enough to get dealers back up to normal inventory, 100% assumes I have more than 44 cars, there will be 125% of normal MOVEs starting in September/October(truck/car) for December/January delivery on a shipload of vehicles (pun intended).
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Hmm.. Sounds like a Big Christmas Sale for American Honda, huh?
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TonyE wrote:
NorCalSales wrote:
I don't claim to have a ton of connections but I know I have said here a few times...
Truck production is 100% in early September, this will be end of September/early October deliveries. (Last weeks MOVE confirmed this).
Car production is 100% in Mid October, this is early to mid November delivery.
This is not going to be enough to get dealers back up to normal inventory, 100% assumes I have more than 44 cars, there will be 125% of normal MOVEs starting in September/October(truck/car) for December/January delivery on a shipload of vehicles (pun intended).
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Hmm.. Sounds like a Big Christmas Sale for American Honda, huh?
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Definitely! Season of Reason and Mr.Opportunity will be back in full force!
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