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HONDA AFVM
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Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-25-2011 10:19
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Who knows what to do with the Droid to make it work with the Honda USB................Bueller, Bueller..........HELP!!!! I can't figure it out!!!!!!
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2011 01:22
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You mean USB mass storage mode? Go to settings --> SD card and phone storage --> check "mass storage only"
Spearsoft
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2011 05:20
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Make sure you use a good cable too, some cables won't work if they're low quality.
HONDA AFVM
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-26-2011 10:32
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Spearsoft wrote:
Make sure you use a good cable too, some cables won't work if they're low quality.

So this will allow me to play music off of my Droid through the USB in the car? Such as Pendora..............
iNteGRaz92
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 02:15
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doing that will make the phone act like a usb stick so i'm guessing no to pandora. your car doesn't have an auxilary jack?
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 05:10
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It will let you play music saved on the phone itself, but you'll still need the Aux cable to play music from pandora :/
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 10:34
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what about bluetooth?
EX V6 SLUSHER
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 11:40
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HondaCrazy wrote:
what about bluetooth?

In the Acura's once you have bluetooth paired, you start Pandora on the phone then hit the USB/Aux until BT Audio, and then it will stream.
TonyEX
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 14:21
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HondaCrazy wrote:
what about bluetooth?

In the Acura's once you have bluetooth paired, you start Pandora on the phone then hit the USB/Aux until BT Audio, and then it will stream.



What's the quality of that audio, though? When loading the Droid as USB is plays my CD quality WAV files.
HONDA AFVM
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 16:26
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TonyE wrote:
EX V6 SLUSHER wrote:
HondaCrazy wrote:
what about bluetooth?

In the Acura's once you have bluetooth paired, you start Pandora on the phone then hit the USB/Aux until BT Audio, and then it will stream.



What's the quality of that audio, though? When loading the Droid as USB is plays my CD quality WAV files.


I just want to know how to play songs from your Droid phone through the USB...........Pandora isn't a real deal. This is for me to explain to customers...........
TonyEX
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 17:11
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
TonyE wrote:
EX V6 SLUSHER wrote:
HondaCrazy wrote:
what about bluetooth?

In the Acura's once you have bluetooth paired, you start Pandora on the phone then hit the USB/Aux until BT Audio, and then it will stream.



What's the quality of that audio, though? When loading the Droid as USB is plays my CD quality WAV files.


I just want to know how to play songs from your Droid phone through the USB...........Pandora isn't a real deal. This is for me to explain to customers...........



Simple:

(1) You can plug the Droid into the USB "iPod" connection. Turn on the stereo and the Droid will prompt you to enable the USB share. Then select AUX (I think that's it) from the stereo and you'll see the file folders (directories) in the Droid. Step into where you put your music files and hit play. In this case the Droid is just a "USB stick" and the music player is the car stereo. I think this is the highest quality to play music..

(2) Alternatively, someone else noted that on Bluetooth you can share the audio from audio players in the Droid. In this case the Droid is the music player. The Bluetooth interface is the waypoint.. I have not done this but I suspect the audio quality will be worse since Bluetooth is bit rate (audio sampling rate ), and I suspect also frequency (bandwidth), limited.

HONDA AFVM
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 20:42
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TonyE wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:
TonyE wrote:
EX V6 SLUSHER wrote:
HondaCrazy wrote:
what about bluetooth?

In the Acura's once you have bluetooth paired, you start Pandora on the phone then hit the USB/Aux until BT Audio, and then it will stream.



What's the quality of that audio, though? When loading the Droid as USB is plays my CD quality WAV files.


I just want to know how to play songs from your Droid phone through the USB...........Pandora isn't a real deal. This is for me to explain to customers...........



Simple:

(1) You can plug the Droid into the USB "iPod" connection. Turn on the stereo and the Droid will prompt you to enable the USB share. Then select AUX (I think that's it) from the stereo and you'll see the file folders (directories) in the Droid. Step into where you put your music files and hit play. In this case the Droid is just a "USB stick" and the music player is the car stereo. I think this is the highest quality to play music..

(2) Alternatively, someone else noted that on Bluetooth you can share the audio from audio players in the Droid. In this case the Droid is the music player. The Bluetooth interface is the waypoint.. I have not done this but I suspect the audio quality will be worse since Bluetooth is bit rate (audio sampling rate ), and I suspect also frequency (bandwidth), limited.



I stream in my Civic Hybrid all the time.....(Pioneer Navi in-dash factory style set up) and I listen to iHeart Radio, Pandora and my music, it's great sounding, but thanks for the USB, I will try it on a stock car and see if it works......
TonyEX
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 21:00
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HONDA AFVM wrote:


I stream in my Civic Hybrid all the time.....(Pioneer Navi in-dash factory style set up) and I listen to iHeart Radio, Pandora and my music, it's great sounding, but thanks for the USB, I will try it on a stock car and see if it works......



Err, do you have an aftermarket set of speakers? And you don't have the NAVI then?

IMHO, the stereo in our hybrid... sucks.

Sometimes, I do miss the Acuras... specially the TL.
garoto628
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 21:59
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I don't know if I'm off here or not, I want to say I am but this may help.

Before I start, Driod OS is very fragmented, I don't know if all Droid devices will behave the same way, however, since this seems like a low-level software/firmware algorithms, chances are all Droids behave this way,

I don't own a droid, but I've help someone set things up in a similar scenario as you're describing. As Tony said, when you plug in the droid to the USB interface, the droid goes into disk-mode, where the droid is nothing but a flash storage devices, in this case, one that stores your music. The stereo unit reads this storage device (your droid), and it displays the music files (if they're in a compatible format), and you play them through your stereo. The player is the stereo, but the files are always stored in the Droid, so obviously do not unplug that.

I'm sure you know this, but the aux cable simply makes the car speakers become some huge headphones.

Now a third way, is through bluetooth streaming. Although the quality is lower, only audiophiles will notice this. I have a Kensington LiquidAux Bluetooth receiver in my car, the best piece of device of that kind I've ever owned (they're discontinued now), and I love the quality, and its the easiest setup because I don't plug anything in, I just hit play on the remote control of the device and it automatically plays whatever is on my iphone, one click. I can also grab my iPhone and choose what I want to play.

It is much easier to use your phone as the player beause the User interface is better suited for browsing through songs, artists and albums than the car's usb unit is. The car's usb unit can be distracting if they try to choose a song through that crappy interface. Now, you can argue that using a phone while driving can be more dangerous, and it is. However, the remote control attaches to my door panel (in my case), and it is just like any other button in my cars dash.

Additionally, if you go to www.proclipusa.com, you can clip your phone very sturdily, and cleanly and your phone simply becomes more buttons as part of your dash, so it is not any more distracting than your car's dash is.

The bluetooth route is the way to go, and if I was a car salesman, I could definitely prove to customers why that is, and teach them to enjoy that feature.

Hope this helps, good luck. If you want more details on anything regarding what I've said here; like pictures, just let me know.
DCR
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 21:59
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My Droid worked in my Civic Si as a USB stick until I updated my Droid, and now it is "Unrecognized".
garoto628
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 23:40
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DCR wrote:
My Droid worked in my Civic Si as a USB stick until I updated my Droid, and now it is "Unrecognized".


Yeah, you know, that's what I dislike about androids, personally and technically. Not only is it fragmented between companies and devices, but within the company and the device itself. You would expect the company to ensure compatibility with accessories consistenly across updates and across platforms, with changes happening only forward (adding newer devices), not trimming code while also removing compatibility with older devices. In other words, while you can rely on android "as is" you can't trust that what works today will work tomorrow,or what worked on one phone and accessories will work with another.

For the op, this is tough, because consumers genreally aren't educated enough with these topics and two things can happen:

1. the blame will go to the op (salesman) if he can't answer their question or get the device to work, and her device later works for reasons beyond the ops control or the car itself, but rather due to the OS.

2. The blame will go the car if things don't work, and the praise comes to android if things later work, when in reality it should have just worked initially.
HONDA AFVM
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-27-2011 23:55
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TonyE wrote:
HONDA AFVM wrote:


I stream in my Civic Hybrid all the time.....(Pioneer Navi in-dash factory style set up) and I listen to iHeart Radio, Pandora and my music, it's great sounding, but thanks for the USB, I will try it on a stock car and see if it works......



Err, do you have an aftermarket set of speakers? And you don't have the NAVI then?

IMHO, the stereo in our hybrid... sucks.

Sometimes, I do miss the Acuras... specially the TL.


Factory Speakers yes.....but not for long..........New Speaks & Amp Coming...........
TonyEX
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-29-2011 12:18
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DCR wrote:
My Droid worked in my Civic Si as a USB stick until I updated my Droid, and now it is "Unrecognized".



The thing is... why bother at all with the Droid? Why not just plug in a real USB stick.

Or, in our Civic based NAVIs we can also plug in a flash card.... So, in reality, why bother with the Droid at all? Keep the Droid for what it is.. a very nice internet/phone appliance.

As a matter of fact, I carry both my Droid and old 64GB iPod to work. The iPod trounces the Droid in sound quality and storage (I store my audio files in 16/44.1 "CD quality" WAV files so I can only store around 120 records (yep I record my LPs) in my iPod. The Droid, with only 12GB, can not store nearly as much and sucks very badly sonically.

On a recent drive to Seattle, I kept the Droid up on the windshield as an auxiliary NAVI and the iPod in the glove box. Worked great for us.
garoto628
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-30-2011 02:14
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TonyE wrote:
DCR wrote:
My Droid worked in my Civic Si as a USB stick until I updated my Droid, and now it is "Unrecognized".



The thing is... why bother at all with the Droid? Why not just plug in a real USB stick.

Or, in our Civic based NAVIs we can also plug in a flash card.... So, in reality, why bother with the Droid at all? Keep the Droid for what it is.. a very nice internet/phone appliance.

As a matter of fact, I carry both my Droid and old 64GB iPod to work. The iPod trounces the Droid in sound quality and storage (I store my audio files in 16/44.1 "CD quality" WAV files so I can only store around 120 records (yep I record my LPs) in my iPod. The Droid, with only 12GB, can not store nearly as much and sucks very badly sonically.

On a recent drive to Seattle, I kept the Droid up on the windshield as an auxiliary NAVI and the iPod in the glove box. Worked great for us.



Question, just out of curiosity. In your case, why didn't you opt for an iPhone 4? I have one, and it does it all so darn well.
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-30-2011 14:48
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TonyE wrote:
DCR wrote:
My Droid worked in my Civic Si as a USB stick until I updated my Droid, and now it is "Unrecognized".



The thing is... why bother at all with the Droid? Why not just plug in a real USB stick.

Or, in our Civic based NAVIs we can also plug in a flash card.... So, in reality, why bother with the Droid at all? Keep the Droid for what it is.. a very nice internet/phone appliance.

As a matter of fact, I carry both my Droid and old 64GB iPod to work. The iPod trounces the Droid in sound quality and storage (I store my audio files in 16/44.1 "CD quality" WAV files so I can only store around 120 records (yep I record my LPs) in my iPod. The Droid, with only 12GB, can not store nearly as much and sucks very badly sonically.

On a recent drive to Seattle, I kept the Droid up on the windshield as an auxiliary NAVI and the iPod in the glove box. Worked great for us.


the ipod trounces the droid? ouch. my poor zune sounds much better than any ipod.
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-30-2011 15:39
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I installed a Motorola T605 bluetooth car-kit onto out '05 odyssey and it stream music via bluetooth beautifully, can't really tell a difference when comparing it to AUX.
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-30-2011 16:33
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TonyE wrote:
EX V6 SLUSHER wrote:
HondaCrazy wrote:
what about bluetooth?

In the Acura's once you have bluetooth paired, you start Pandora on the phone then hit the USB/Aux until BT Audio, and then it will stream.



What's the quality of that audio, though? When loading the Droid as USB is plays my CD quality WAV files.


In my tl, there does not appear to be a difference in sound quality from playing mp3s at 320kbps(?) when playing from either usb or bluetooth. Bluetooth does occasionally stutter, probably due to connection?
TonyEX
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 06-30-2011 19:35
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aznxthuggie wrote:
TonyE wrote:
EX V6 SLUSHER wrote:
HondaCrazy wrote:
what about bluetooth?

In the Acura's once you have bluetooth paired, you start Pandora on the phone then hit the USB/Aux until BT Audio, and then it will stream.



What's the quality of that audio, though? When loading the Droid as USB is plays my CD quality WAV files.


In my tl, there does not appear to be a difference in sound quality from playing mp3s at 320kbps(?) when playing from either usb or bluetooth. Bluetooth does occasionally stutter, probably due to connection?



You play 320KPS MP3 in your TL?

What a waste.

I used to make my own downrezzed CD-Rs from my LP recordings. The stereo in the TL is OUTSTANDING. Dump the MP3 and at least move up to uncompressed WAV, then you'll hear the difference.

Too bad DVD-A didn't catch on. I was planning to start cutting my own from the raw 24-96 recordings.
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-01-2011 00:08
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You sound like one of those guys I used to sell a $3500 3ft audio cable to, because it "sounds better".
TonyEX
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-01-2011 13:39
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garoto628 wrote:
TonyE wrote:
DCR wrote:
My Droid worked in my Civic Si as a USB stick until I updated my Droid, and now it is "Unrecognized".



The thing is... why bother at all with the Droid? Why not just plug in a real USB stick.

Or, in our Civic based NAVIs we can also plug in a flash card.... So, in reality, why bother with the Droid at all? Keep the Droid for what it is.. a very nice internet/phone appliance.

As a matter of fact, I carry both my Droid and old 64GB iPod to work. The iPod trounces the Droid in sound quality and storage (I store my audio files in 16/44.1 "CD quality" WAV files so I can only store around 120 records (yep I record my LPs) in my iPod. The Droid, with only 12GB, can not store nearly as much and sucks very badly sonically.

On a recent drive to Seattle, I kept the Droid up on the windshield as an auxiliary NAVI and the iPod in the glove box. Worked great for us.



Question, just out of curiosity. In your case, why didn't you opt for an iPhone 4? I have one, and it does it all so darn well.



Verizon did not offer it last summer. Besides I like the open format of Droid. I installed a VLC Remote App ( Free!) on my Droid and I use it as remote control for my PC based Home Theater and two of my stereos.
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-01-2011 13:48
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DCR wrote:
You sound like one of those guys I used to sell a $3500 3ft audio cable to, because it "sounds better".


Naw.. those are the "Hi End Fetish" audiophiles.

I do have good cables, because I can hear the difference in a good way. They were not cheap, but since I bought most of them used I paid nowhere that. Currently I think I'm going to start making my own cables from scratch.. I think I'll try with a single silver and two copper strands like Kimber KACG but a much lower cost.

It is true that 3500 cables do sound "different" because of capacitance, reactance, etc... but do they sound "better"?

Some folks with money think so. So good for them. I won't ridicule them because the truth is that as an audio system gets better, the difference in sound between components becomes obvious.

What I can not stand is people with crappy sounding system criticizing those that have systems of "high resolution".

People in Yugos do not pass judgment on people with Ferraris.

So people with Bose should not pass judgment with those with real stereos.


garoto628
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-01-2011 18:52
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TonyE wrote:
DCR wrote:
You sound like one of those guys I used to sell a $3500 3ft audio cable to, because it "sounds better".


Naw.. those are the "Hi End Fetish" audiophiles.

I do have good cables, because I can hear the difference in a good way. They were not cheap, but since I bought most of them used I paid nowhere that. Currently I think I'm going to start making my own cables from scratch.. I think I'll try with a single silver and two copper strands like Kimber KACG but a much lower cost.

It is true that 3500 cables do sound "different" because of capacitance, reactance, etc... but do they sound "better"?

Some folks with money think so. So good for them. I won't ridicule them because the truth is that as an audio system gets better, the difference in sound between components becomes obvious.

What I can not stand is people with crappy sounding system criticizing those that have systems of "high resolution".

People in Yugos do not pass judgment on people with Ferraris.

So people with Bose should not pass judgment with those with real stereos.





You can not differentiate the sound quality of a lossy 256kbps VBR and a Lossless 1000+kbps file in a car stereo.

Try playing those two different qualities in a high-end $$$ surround system, and you'll understand why 10MB per song is much less than 90MB per song.

With regards to cable, somo do sound better than others, and are more expensive too. In other cases, some are simply "different" than others: and yes I do hear the difference, but that does not mean that it is better, it is simply different (like you mentioned TonyE).
TonyEX
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-01-2011 20:39
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garoto628 wrote:
TonyE wrote:
DCR wrote:
You sound like one of those guys I used to sell a $3500 3ft audio cable to, because it "sounds better".


Naw.. those are the "Hi End Fetish" audiophiles.

I do have good cables, because I can hear the difference in a good way. They were not cheap, but since I bought most of them used I paid nowhere that. Currently I think I'm going to start making my own cables from scratch.. I think I'll try with a single silver and two copper strands like Kimber KACG but a much lower cost.

It is true that 3500 cables do sound "different" because of capacitance, reactance, etc... but do they sound "better"?

Some folks with money think so. So good for them. I won't ridicule them because the truth is that as an audio system gets better, the difference in sound between components becomes obvious.

What I can not stand is people with crappy sounding system criticizing those that have systems of "high resolution".

People in Yugos do not pass judgment on people with Ferraris.

So people with Bose should not pass judgment with those with real stereos.





You can not differentiate the sound quality of a lossy 256kbps VBR and a Lossless 1000+kbps file in a car stereo.

Try playing those two different qualities in a high-end $$$ surround system, and you'll understand why 10MB per song is much less than 90MB per song.

With regards to cable, somo do sound better than others, and are more expensive too. In other cases, some are simply "different" than others: and yes I do hear the difference, but that does not mean that it is better, it is simply different (like you mentioned TonyE).



Have you listened to a TL's ELS stereo system?

I used to own an 04 TL. Played with the stereo a lot. I ended up preferring the sound of CD-Rs over everything else -except for the demo DVD-A which was astonishing....

I would agree that in my Civic Hybrid you can not tell the difference... but this discussion is about a TL.
HONDA AFVM
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-03-2011 18:27
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garoto628 wrote:
DCR wrote:
My Droid worked in my Civic Si as a USB stick until I updated my Droid, and now it is "Unrecognized".


Yeah, you know, that's what I dislike about androids, personally and technically. Not only is it fragmented between companies and devices, but within the company and the device itself. You would expect the company to ensure compatibility with accessories consistenly across updates and across platforms, with changes happening only forward (adding newer devices), not trimming code while also removing compatibility with older devices. In other words, while you can rely on android "as is" you can't trust that what works today will work tomorrow,or what worked on one phone and accessories will work with another.

For the op, this is tough, because consumers genreally aren't educated enough with these topics and two things can happen:

1. the blame will go to the op (salesman) if he can't answer their question or get the device to work, and her device later works for reasons beyond the ops control or the car itself, but rather due to the OS.

2. The blame will go the car if things don't work, and the praise comes to android if things later work, when in reality it should have just worked initially.


I can't get the USB in my car to work, but I have a Pioneer Navi, a good one and it streams and that works great, but when I hook the USB up, forget it! But an iPhone works..........????
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Re: Androids and Honda??????    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-03-2011 18:30
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TonyE wrote:
DCR wrote:
My Droid worked in my Civic Si as a USB stick until I updated my Droid, and now it is "Unrecognized".



The thing is... why bother at all with the Droid? Why not just plug in a real USB stick.

Or, in our Civic based NAVIs we can also plug in a flash card.... So, in reality, why bother with the Droid at all? Keep the Droid for what it is.. a very nice internet/phone appliance.

As a matter of fact, I carry both my Droid and old 64GB iPod to work. The iPod trounces the Droid in sound quality and storage (I store my audio files in 16/44.1 "CD quality" WAV files so I can only store around 120 records (yep I record my LPs) in my iPod. The Droid, with only 12GB, can not store nearly as much and sucks very badly sonically.

On a recent drive to Seattle, I kept the Droid up on the windshield as an auxiliary NAVI and the iPod in the glove box. Worked great for us.


One word.............

"PANDORA!"

That bitch is HOT! and she plays good music too......LOL! I'm listing to it right now in my computer..........and I like it in my car, but I have streaming Audio in my Civic Hybrid with a Pioneer Navi, so it's cool.
 
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