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2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 11:30
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Perhaps the most surprising thing about the Civic is that despite shunning all of the fuel-saving advancements employed by its competition, the vehicle still manages to come out as a solid player on this field. While we'd all love to see Honda knock out some truly incredibly fuel economy figures with its vehicles, the truth is that the company hasn't seen the need to add either cost or complexity to its systems given the results the vehicle is delivering right now.

Honda is well aware of the rising tide of capable compacts, and while strong entries like the Elantra, Cruze and Focus may take a bite out of Civic sales in the long run, brand loyalists will still beat down dealer doors to get their hands on this newest piece of hardware. Besides, if you were hoping for a full-on Civic revolution, history would point to you not having to wait too long. We give it another three to five years before a completely-new generation surfaces.

In the meantime, the 2012 Civic offers plenty of space, competitive fuel economy and a drive that's entertaining enough to keep you from going flat-line on your way to the office. It's a recipe that's kept Honda on the right side of history for years and it doesn't look to be failing any time soon.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 11:46
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2012 Honda Civic Si - First Drive Review
Down 1000 rpm on its predecessor, the Honda Civic Si searches for its mojo.

So the new Si appears to be strategically positioned against the top dogs in this class. The quality of the interior materials has improved, the front buckets provide a little more lateral support—with no sacrifice in comfort—and the red accents and stitchery provide a sporty note without looking juvenile. Based on our very limited exposure, the new Si looks like it should at least be satisfying to just about anyone. On the other hand, if you—like us—had hoped for the sort of mojo that distinguished the last generation, you may be just a bit underwhelmed.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 12:18
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First Drive: 2012 Honda Civic
Now in Its Ninth Generation, the Honda Civic Continues to Fly high

In 2010, Honda sold 260,218 eighth-generation Civics, or more units than BMW sold, well, all told (220,113). In fact, Civic sales were nearly as much as that of the complete BMW group (266,069), which includes Mini and Rolls-Royce. Suffice it to say, many an automaker would love to enjoy entire portfolio sales comparable to that of Honda's Civic.

2012 Honda Civic EX L Sedan Front Three Quarters
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So you can imagine the challenges Honda faced when it came time to replace the extraordinarily successful Gen 8, which just happed to win Motor Trend's 2006 Car of the Year award. The ninth generation would have to take the nameplate to the next level, offering improvements in dynamic performance, fuel economy, interior volume, design, and safety. You name it -- it had to be better. Yet, if Gen 9 were too much of a radical design departure, it risked turning off the quarter-million-plus prospective annual buyers, sending them packing to one of many hot, new compacts from Ford, Chevy, Hyundai, et al.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 12:21
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Thanks for compiling these ....

It was remarkable to me how much more work Motor Trend put into their 'First Drive' vs. C&D's. Isn't it like nine pages of content vs. one?
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 12:27
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It doesn’t wow you with a bold new design, or with best-in-class mpg claims. And that’s disappointing at first. But the new 2012 Honda Civic is, in every way, an improvement over its predecessor – arguably the best buy in the compact car segment for several decades running.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 12:58
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My comments:

1.) That's a very positive review from Motor Trend.
2.) It would be very cool if Honda nailed the steering feel with this new version of EPS.
3.) What a difference using professional photographs makes.
4.) It looks like Owe and DCR were correct in that the Si lost a big chunk of its personality. There are at least (15) '11 Si's on dealer lots in my area and I wouldn't count on an 8k redline Honda car being available again soon.
5.) The Hybrid with Navi and leather isn't far from the TSX price ballpark.
6.) I'm curious how well the HF will sell.
7.) To me, the aerial view of the four Civics makes the EX coupe look like a cross between an '04-'05 Civic EX coupe and an '01-'02 Accord EX coupe.
8.) Overall it's a nice car which comes at the expense of the loss of the 8th gen.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 13:42
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Preview: 2012 Honda Civic

"Typical of things Honda, the rest of the Civic’s cabin is well conceived and features good materials throughout. There’s also plenty of room front and rear despite the car’s wheelbase being 30 millimetres shorter (now 2,670 mm) than the outgoing car".

"As before, the Civic’s suspension is tuned to deliver a balance between ride comfort and agility. The setup works well. Body motion is well controlled, the steering has a crisp feel and, yet, the car soaks up the rigors of a rough road in stride. In this regard it remains class-leading".

"The drive of choice, however, is the Si. It is a hoot! The new 2.4L engine delivers 201 hp and 170 lb-ft of torque, a 22% improvement over the old model. Power is put to the pavement through a close-ratio six-speed manual box that snicks through its gears very nicely, a limited-slip differential and P215/45R17 tires. This engine pulls strongly at first, then it gives the driver a kick in the pants — at 5,000 rpm, the i-VTEC (intelligent Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) system does its thing. When this happens, the engine’s tone changes as the Si seems to take a deep breath and sprint toward redline with growing purpose".

http://www.nationalpost.com/cars/Preview+2012+Honda+Civic/4647563/story.html

TSX69
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 13:55
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With its 2012 lineup, Honda has carefully and conservatively reinvented its Civic offerings. Certainly class competitive, each model offers enough compelling reasons to merit recommendation.

But class competitive won’t cut it much longer. Rivals from Ford, Chevrolet, Mazda and Hyundai offer more personality, more value, more sport and more refinement, all virtues that once set the Civic apart. We hope that Honda views the 2012 Civic as a stepping stone to something a little more different and a little more bold in the near future.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 14:09
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The quality of interior materials has -improved-?? Not by a longshot, dude!! Cheap hard plastics everywhere, crappy cost-cut armrest that no longer extends, exposed cupholders.

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2012 Honda Civic Si - First Drive Review
Down 1000 rpm on its predecessor, the Honda Civic Si searches for its mojo.

So the new Si appears to be strategically positioned against the top dogs in this class. The quality of the interior materials has improved, the front buckets provide a little more lateral support—with no sacrifice in comfort—and the red accents and stitchery provide a sporty note without looking juvenile. Based on our very limited exposure, the new Si looks like it should at least be satisfying to just about anyone. On the other hand, if you—like us—had hoped for the sort of mojo that distinguished the last generation, you may be just a bit underwhelmed.


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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 14:22
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Preview: 2012 Honda Civic

"Typical of things Honda, the rest of the Civic’s cabin is well conceived and features good materials throughout. There’s also plenty of room front and rear despite the car’s wheelbase being 30 millimetres shorter (now 2,670 mm) than the outgoing car".

"As before, the Civic’s suspension is tuned to deliver a balance between ride comfort and agility. The setup works well. Body motion is well controlled, the steering has a crisp feel and, yet, the car soaks up the rigors of a rough road in stride. In this regard it remains class-leading".

"The drive of choice, however, is the Si. It is a hoot! The new 2.4L engine delivers 201 hp and 170 lb-ft of torque, a 22% improvement over the old model. Power is put to the pavement through a close-ratio six-speed manual box that snicks through its gears very nicely, a limited-slip differential and P215/45R17 tires. This engine pulls strongly at first, then it gives the driver a kick in the pants — at 5,000 rpm, the i-VTEC (intelligent Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) system does its thing. When this happens, the engine’s tone changes as the Si seems to take a deep breath and sprint toward redline with growing purpose".

http://www.nationalpost.com/cars/Preview+2012+Honda+Civic/4647563/story.html

TSX69
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 14:23
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As always, the Civic's strength is its handling. It's still probably the most enjoyable of all compact entries to drive, though other entries are starting to catch up.
TSX69
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 19:17
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Jalopnik: Si
As with the rest of the new Civics, the Si's two-tiered dash now sports 5-inch LCD screen that offers several displays, from album art for the song playing on the iPod to a Power Meter, which ticks off just how much of the engine's power is at hand. But for those who don't want such details, there's also now a VTEC meter: 6 lights that act as a mini-tachometer, and another to show when the engine's higher-rev timing has engaged. Yes, Honda saw the faux-Successories posters of "VTEC just kicked in, yo!" and built an Internet meme into its dashboard.
TSX69
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 19:29
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InsideLine: Si
The Civic's electric power steering and a 16.1:1 ratio feel right, while its composure through corners is confidently flat. A 1.1-inch shorter wheelbase and 18-pound lighter frame make the chassis eager to rotate, while the drivetrain's helical limited-slip helps keep the Z-rated Michelin summer rubber stuck to the pavement (all-season tires are standard).

Purists lamented Honda's switch from front wishbones to MacPherson struts in the 2002 Civic Si, and fretted again when they carried over to the next generation in 2006. Struts return for 2012, but are now so dialed in as to be indistinguishable from the beloved wishbones to all but the most sensitive autocrosser or track-day regular.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 20:07
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Cars.com

What is this all about?

The Civic has more body roll than I'd expect, though, and nowhere is it more surprising than in the sporty Si, a coupe version of which I tossed around an autocross course. The shifting weight doesn't help the car's grip when making quick directional changes. I watched the cars going around the course, and the body roll was equally clear from the outside. It's out of character for a performance version, and what's most disappointing is it's unnecessary. Many cars, including some competing models, have proved that a comfortable ride, body control and athletic handling can come in one affordable package.

The Si's suspension is tuned differently from the standard setup, but perhaps not enough. Though the suspensions differ a bit between the regular sedan and coupe due to the different wheelbases, those two feel similar to drive.


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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-20-2011 20:19
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TSX69: the Honda car review aggregator. Very helpful, dude! That's what TOV should provide.
TSX69
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2011 08:49
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The Eco-Civics: The 2012 Honda Civic HF, Civic Hybrid and Civic Natural Gas
While I am guessing the Civic Hybrid averages somewhere closer to 44 miles per gallon, during a “hypermiling” contest at the press launch one journalist averaged a healthy 59 miles per gallon. I, however, was too busy being distracted by driving the Si around the autocross to remember to participate in the driving slow challenge. I would actually prefer to drive the Hybrid in real world conditions where the fuel efficiency is more representative of what average folks will see.
TSX69
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2011 09:41
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Auto123: Si
Honda made efforts to counter noise and vibrations in the new Civic as well as in the Si. My telling you that the Si is now a smoother operator overall seems wrong, but this was Honda's goal and they've reached it. This will undoubtedly make the Si more attractive to an older crowd, looking for a high visual impact Civic with more oomph without the previously associated NVH.

And that pretty much sums up the new Civic Si. It has retained its highly entertaining driveability, but has done away with parts of the Si's real character. Yes, the new Si is posher. It now comes with standard navigation, XM satellite radio and auto on/off headlights.

If what other manufacturers have done to their cars (I'm thinking WRX amongst others) is any indication of what is to come, the new Si's share of Civic sales will most likely increase. My only wish, should this be the case and with the extra money, is that Honda bring us a hardcore SiR or Si Type R by the 2014 MY.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2011 09:55
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Can't say that last blurb by Auto123 makes any sense at all.

Also: 2012 Civic Si pricing starts at $25,990

Attention to detail is everything, but I guess they were in a hurry.
TSX69
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2011 10:48
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The Good: Better fuel economy and handling, nice interior, top safety rating

The Bad: Pricier than rivals; supplies may be crimped by Japan earthquake

The Bottom Line: No longer stands out as the class of the economy compacts
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2011 11:29
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BloomBerg
The Good: Better fuel economy and handling, nice interior, top safety rating

The Bad: Pricier than rivals; supplies may be crimped by Japan earthquake

The Bottom Line: No longer stands out as the class of the economy compacts



That last "bad" is weird. What is Honda (and other manufacturers) supposed to do? Not be Japanese?

I also don't understand the sentiment considering the Civic is produced in North America. Supply disruptions are hitting all manufacturers, and the Civic isn't crazily affected.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2011 15:43
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I think the sentiment about "suppliers" having trouble with the new Civic was a conclusion leapt to by journalists who were not given an official price list when the Civic press launch happened. There were comments that because of the chaos, exact pricing couldn't be accurately calculated until a later date which was about 3 days ago.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2011 22:27
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USA 2day: Many Changes, Some Disappointments
The Civic compact is so important to Honda that it’s peculiar the car didn’t get some expected features and functions in its redesign for the 2012 model year.

Examples: No backup camera. No 6-speed automatic transmission or manual-shift mode. No heated rear seats. All are available on the recently redesigned Hyundai Elantra, a standard-setter among mainstream compacts.

Even though Civic’s probably better, more satisfying overall than Elantra, Civic will look inferior on paper or in pixels to people who comparison-shop using brochures and online sites.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-21-2011 22:46
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USA 2day: Many Changes, Some Disappointments
The Civic compact is so important to Honda that it’s peculiar the car didn’t get some expected features and functions in its redesign for the 2012 model year.

Examples: No backup camera. No 6-speed automatic transmission or manual-shift mode. No heated rear seats. All are available on the recently redesigned Hyundai Elantra, a standard-setter among mainstream compacts.

Even though Civic’s probably better, more satisfying overall than Elantra, Civic will look inferior on paper or in pixels to people who comparison-shop using brochures and online sites.


...and the emperor is wearing no clothes!
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-22-2011 08:11
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2012 Honda Civic Natural Gas Represents Proven Alternative
Multiple benefits exist to using natural gas as a vehicle fuel. From a value standpoint, natural gas has historically cost about 30-percent less per gasoline-gallon-equivalent compared to gasoline when purchased at public fueling stations. As an alternative fuel vehicle with extremely low smog-forming emissions, the Civic Natural Gas currently qualifies for a state-issued decal allowing single-occupant access to high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) “carpool” lanes in California and several other states.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-22-2011 08:20
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Reason "Y" Civic Should be #1
The new ninth-generation 2012 Honda Civic has come out swinging in defence of its title as the best-selling car in Canada. The wily 13-year (consecutive) compact car champ has adjusted its marketing style to land some unexpected body blows that its new challengers may not have expected.

A price of just $14,990 for the new base Civic DX is $2,000 below the list price of the same 2010 edition, and it comes with $600 worth of additional equipment. The great value story continues throughout the entire 2012 Civic lineup with savings as high as $3,590 on the new Si Sedan.

The Civic-value story has always gone beyond its initial purchase, as buyers also get a vehicle with a stellar reliability record and excellent resale price retention. A key factor has been Honda Canada’s focus on retail sales, at the expense of high-volume discounted fleet sales.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-23-2011 09:25
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Consumer Guide Coupe Review
The redesigned 2012 Honda Civic Coupe delivers a raft of evolutionary updates and upgrades that help keep it at the head of an ever more competitive compact-car segment. The Si offers sporty-car fun while giving up little in daily-driver comfort and practicality; its larger new engine provides more-accessible power that should delight enthusiast drivers. Civic's 2-door coupe body style stands out in the compact-car class, since most competitors offer only 4-door sedan and hatchback body styles. Though the Civic lineup is now up against a much tougher group of rival cars--some of which might best it from a "features per dollar" standpoint--it's still a compact-car must-see.
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2012 Honda Civic Sedan
The redesigned 2012 Honda Civic delivers a raft of evolutionary updates and upgrades that help keep it at the head of an ever more competitive compact-car segment. Chief among the 2012 improvements is an enhanced selection of "something for everyone" model variants. The new HF promises fuel economy near the top of the class among non-hybrid gasoline-engine compacts. On the other end of the spectrum, the Si offers sporty-car fun while giving up little in daily-driver comfort and practicality; its larger new engine provides more-accessible power that should delight enthusiast drivers. Though Civic is now up against a much tougher group of rival cars--some of which might best it from a "features per dollar" standpoint--it's still a compact-car must-see.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-23-2011 17:22
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A couple of days back, looking at the 2012 civic specs, I was disappointed looking at the same engine, same torque, same HP in addition to nearly the same front looks, with hard-to-notice improvements on the paper.

I took some time to read atleast one review completely including the one in MT.

Now that I learnt more about civic (have not seen one in person though), it looks like Honda did plenty of useful improvements that make 2012 civic very competitive.

The specs say it is the same engine, but the reading says it has now got a fatter midrange torque curve, which definitely makes accelerating in the mid-rpms easier.
Improved aerodynamics and other engine improvements like intake and exhaust improvements contribute to improved FE.
Looks like the honda's attention to detail has made resulted in a much cheaper way to improve FE on par with competition without resorting to costly new technologies like DI, etc

I can imagine if Honda used DI, how better the FE could be.
I appreciate Honda's overall approach to FE, that it can be achieved with combining multiple smaller improvements instead of instantly jumping for a fancy DI. I'm not against DI, but its so cool to learn Honda achieved the same great FE as competitors DI engines, without DI but by using a multi faceted approach.

Honda improved chassis stiffness, which I'm sure will improve handling.

Besides all the fancy new gadgets and electronics that the new civic offers, what seems to be a very good improvement is the NVH, because that's the biggest complaint on civic over generations. I was initially afraid, that the softer ride likely took a toll in handling. But MT does'nt think so. The handling apparently is as sharp or even better than its predecessor, just that the steering feel is reduced a bit. I know steering feel could be better but I guess its fine as long as the handling is not compromised and the vehicle feels as planted as its predecessor, which appears so from what I've read.

I think civic will continue to sell well. It may loose some buyers to Ford or Mazda but will sure gain buyers from corolla. I know that's a bad compliment for civic. I'm saying this not because I think ford/mazda drive much better than civic, but because civic looks pretty vanilla compared to them. I'd prefer more aggressive looks to civic instead of vanilla looks.

But, overall, its a great evolution without taking big risks. I understand given the high stakes involved (given its current high sales numbers) and that it cannot go with Ford or Hyundai's approach since they have nothing to loose.

Overall, nice job Honda !
But I still think the the huge leap forward Honda achieved in 2005 with 8th gen civic, is the Honda's best ever.
Hopefully, honda will do something like that in near future.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-23-2011 20:47
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A couple of days back, looking at the 2012 civic specs, I was disappointed looking at the same engine, same torque, same HP in addition to nearly the same front looks, with hard-to-notice improvements on the paper.

I took some time to read atleast one review completely including the one in MT.

Now that I learnt more about civic (have not seen one in person though), it looks like Honda did plenty of useful improvements that make 2012 civic very competitive.

The specs say it is the same engine, but the reading says it has now got a fatter midrange torque curve, which definitely makes accelerating in the mid-rpms easier.
Improved aerodynamics and other engine improvements like intake and exhaust improvements contribute to improved FE.
Looks like the honda's attention to detail has made resulted in a much cheaper way to improve FE on par with competition without resorting to costly new technologies like DI, etc

I can imagine if Honda used DI, how better the FE could be.
I appreciate Honda's overall approach to FE, that it can be achieved with combining multiple smaller improvements instead of instantly jumping for a fancy DI. I'm not against DI, but its so cool to learn Honda achieved the same great FE as competitors DI engines, without DI but by using a multi faceted approach.

Honda improved chassis stiffness, which I'm sure will improve handling.

Besides all the fancy new gadgets and electronics that the new civic offers, what seems to be a very good improvement is the NVH, because that's the biggest complaint on civic over generations. I was initially afraid, that the softer ride likely took a toll in handling. But MT does'nt think so. The handling apparently is as sharp or even better than its predecessor, just that the steering feel is reduced a bit. I know steering feel could be better but I guess its fine as long as the handling is not compromised and the vehicle feels as planted as its predecessor, which appears so from what I've read.

I think civic will continue to sell well. It may loose some buyers to Ford or Mazda but will sure gain buyers from corolla. I know that's a bad compliment for civic. I'm saying this not because I think ford/mazda drive much better than civic, but because civic looks pretty vanilla compared to them. I'd prefer more aggressive looks to civic instead of vanilla looks.

But, overall, its a great evolution without taking big risks. I understand given the high stakes involved (given its current high sales numbers) and that it cannot go with Ford or Hyundai's approach since they have nothing to loose.

Overall, nice job Honda !
But I still think the the huge leap forward Honda achieved in 2005 with 8th gen civic, is the Honda's best ever.
Hopefully, honda will do something like that in near future.


One of the biggest R18 changes I haven't seen any mention of was the addition of a dual stage intake manifold. I know that on Hondas past, it didn't do a lot for peak torque or HP, but it sure did improve the shape and feel of the powerband, as is usually the case. That includes comparing B series with and without dual stage IM, the 1990-1993 Accord with and without, the H22 in the 1992-2001 Preludes with and without and the J series with and without (although the J series dual stage is different in concept than the those found on Honda's 4 bangers. I could see this making a notable improvement through the powerband, even though the peaks don't change much.
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Re: 2012 Honda Civic Reviews    (Score: 1, Normal) 04-26-2011 21:27
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MotorTrend: Curtain Call? Not Quite
What's lost in the new Civic -- the old car's charming, quick turn-in and descriptive ride -- is made up for with refined road manners, more composure at the limit, improved fuel economy, and added interior room and conveniences. Yet, after spending extended time with the 2012 EX, as clearly competent as it is, it's hard not to reminisce about the previous Civic, a car that was an instant standout. That vehicle shook up the small-car segment, leaving the competition dazed and confused. Gen 9 is a superior, albeit less visually striking, effort, but in light of its predecessor, it stands out considerably less. Which is why we cannot give it a standing ovation.

 
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