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(cannot find all of BMW)
Versa 7,021 +35.1%
Aveo 6,552 +243.8%
Accent 4,885
Fit 4,792 +45.9%
Fiesta 3,050
Yaris 2,835 +48.7%
Rio 1,638
Rabbit/Golf 1,099 +334.4%
2 589
Corolla 21,060 +1.5%
Civic 18,637 +15.8%
Focus 13,587 +48%
Elantra 10,062
Jetta 8,450 -3.7%
3 7,995 +28.4%
Sentra 7,876 +56.4%
Forte 5,116
Impreza 3,678 +55%
Cobalt 3,462 -53.1%
Camry 30,769 +19.5%
Accord 24,127 +15.9%
Sontata 20,639
Altima 20, 016 +64.8%
Malibu 16,289 -6.6%
Fusion 15,918 +46.9%
Legacy 2,999 +9%
6 2,731 -21.6%
Optima 2,024
Passat 572 +10.6%
Kizashi 477
Impala 12,186 -6.6%
Taurus 6,977 +37.4%
Maxima 4,856 -17.7%
Avalon 2,504 +29.1%
Azera 299
OutBack 8,154 +91%
Venza 3,546 -25.2%
CrossTour 2,507
Prius 11,394 +3.7%
Insight 1,679 -3.8%
CR-Z 1,236
HS 711 -42.8%
Camaro 6,323 -20.6%
Mustang 5,760 +17.1%
Genesis 3,230
370z 787 -1.9%
Soul 5,346
xB 1,687 +9.6%
Cube 1,523 -31.7%
Element 1,125 +35.4%
Sienna 9,920 +54%
Odyssey 7,691 +34.1%
Routan 1,206 +33.9%
5 1,109 +70.1%
Rondo 111
CR-V 17,907 +23%
Rav4 15,685 +41.2%
Escape 14,313 64.7%
Rogue 8,319 -63.5%
Forester 6,449 +33%
Tucson 2,730
CX-7 2,573 +64.8%
Tiguan 1,326 +49.7%
Sportage 391
Edge 12,815 +186.2%
Equinox 11,658 +70.4%
Sorento 10,112
Pilot 8.059 +48.2%
HighLander 7,824 +50%
Murano 4,509 +6.4%
SanteFe 3,719
CX-9 2,420 +74.1%
Toureg 321 -1.2%
Tribeca 152 -58%
IS 2,447 -26.9%
TSX 2,256 +7.3%
Regal 1,950
A3 559 +54.1%
3series 8,945 +37.1%
Cclass 5,196 +3.9%
LaCrosse 4,741 +99%
CTS 3,760 +7.9%
ES 3,697 +21.4%
Gsedan 3,056 +7.9%; coupe 1,366 +6.6%
TL 2,514 +23.6%
A4 2,415 -18%
MKZ 1,254 -18.4%
Eclass 5,608 +47.1%
DTS 1,870 -18.1%
M 1,460 +226.6%
MKS 1,300 -1.2%
A6 787 +26.3%
GS 542 +8.2%
RL 240 +60%
Sclass 1,709 +55.2%
LS 712 -8.4%
A8 83 -55.6%
RX 7,420 -9.8%
Q5 2,277 +105.9%
GLK 1,685 +8.2%
RDX 1,382 +83.8%
EX 747 +32.7%
Enclave 4,408 +60.4%
MDX 4,077 +83.6%
SRX 4,027 +40.5%
M 2,780 +8.9%
MKX 2,658 +75.6%
GX 1,054 +122.8%
FX 854 +5.3%
Q7 673 -9.4%
x5 ??? +160.7%
x6 ???+122.3%
ZDX 251
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You know I'll never agree on the way you put some cars together, but anyway, just wanted to say thank you for always taking the effort to put all this up for us.
Regardless of my complaints, I sure do appreciate it a lot , so thank you TSX69 !!!
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I think i mentioned this in a previous month, but the Accord numbers are skewed. The Accord Sedan and Coupe only sold 21,620. If you're gonna break out the CrossTour as a competitor to the Venza and Outback, you're double counting it with the Accord (vs Camry and Sonata) numbers.
Otherwise, Once again, your work is appreciated. I really enjoy these comparison numbers each month.
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$mooth wrote:
I think i mentioned this in a previous month, but the Accord numbers are skewed. The Accord Sedan and Coupe only sold 21,620. If you're gonna break out the CrossTour as a competitor to the Venza and Outback, you're double counting it with the Accord (vs Camry and Sonata) numbers.
Otherwise, Once again, your work is appreciated. I really enjoy these comparison numbers each month.
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Which means the Sonata is catching up to the Accord. Just a thought, don't shoot me.
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Shouldn't it be the Traverse, and not the Equinox, that should be grouped with the Pilot, Edge, etc.?
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TSX69
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D'oh! Sorry - I am only really familiar w/ the Japanese brands so sometimes w/ the American/Euro/Korean ones I get mixed up ... my bad.
The Traverse sold 7,914 +15.3%
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atomiclightbulb
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Looks like CR-Z is on target for ~15k sales/year.
Crosstour still getting its ass beaten by the Outback. On track for ~28k sales/year, or 30% below Honda's projections.
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Blue_Sky_surfer
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Let me repost this post from another thread:
DevilMayCry wrote:
FAL wrote:
I wonder what the fanboy kool-aid drinkers who attributed poor sales to production issues and a small supply have to say now? Could the sales suck because the design sucks?
I have yet to see a ZDX on the street, but suffice it to say that I saw three RDXs in one day that had the new "beak" grille and they are extraordinarily ugly, whereas the pre-MMC was just awkward. The ZDX takes all that is awful about the post-MMC RDX and runs with it.
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Damn, get over it already!! You guys make me sick with all ya'll whining.
Do you guys get a high, coming on here and posting the same sh*t every week?
You don't like it, we get it...maybe because you can't afford it?....get something else!!!! My goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
I agree. I would like to ask same question too.
Does a raised wagon automatically mean better handling than a CUV?
From Edmunds:-
Outback vs. Crosstour
braking 133 ft; 131
slalom 59.2 mph; 64.4
skidpad 0.77 g; 0.76
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- Why does the Fit keep dropping down the list? Lack of inventory, or lack of incentives. It is definitely a better car than the Versa, Aveo and Accent.
- How disappointing has the Mazda6 been? Wow, talk about a flop.
- The poor sales of the 370Z are a real bummer for enthusiasts. Here's a car that is quicker, much better appointed, and the same weight and price as its predecessor and it just won't move. The Camaro has nothing on it performance wise either. I hope Nissan doesn't get discouraged.
- How about that Buick? Never would have predicted that...
- Sorento up on Pilot. Wow.
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TSX69 wrote:
(cannot find all of BMW)
Versa 7,021 +35.1%
Aveo 6,552 +243.8%
Accent 4,885
Fit 4,792 +45.9%
Fiesta 3,050
Yaris 2,835 +48.7%
Rio 1,638
Rabbit/Golf 1,099 +334.4%
2 589
Corolla 21,060 +1.5%
Civic 18,637 +15.8%
Focus 13,587 +48%
Elantra 10,062
Jetta 8,450 -3.7%
3 7,995 +28.4%
Sentra 7,876 +56.4%
Forte 5,116
Impreza 3,678 +55%
Cobalt 3,462 -53.1%
Camry 30,769 +19.5%
Accord 24,127 +15.9%
Sontata 20,639
Altima 20, 016 +64.8%
Malibu 16,289 -6.6%
Fusion 15,918 +46.9%
Legacy 2,999 +9%
6 2,731 -21.6%
Optima 2,024
Passat 572 +10.6%
Kizashi 477
Impala 12,186 -6.6%
Taurus 6,977 +37.4%
Maxima 4,856 -17.7%
Avalon 2,504 +29.1%
Azera 299
OutBack 8,154 +91%
Venza 3,546 -25.2%
CrossTour 2,507
Prius 11,394 +3.7%
Insight 1,679 -3.8%
CR-Z 1,236
HS 711 -42.8%
Camaro 6,323 -20.6%
Mustang 5,760 +17.1%
Genesis 3,230
370z 787 -1.9%
Soul 5,346
xB 1,687 +9.6%
Cube 1,523 -31.7%
Element 1,125 +35.4%
Sienna 9,920 +54%
Odyssey 7,691 +34.1%
Routan 1,206 +33.9%
5 1,109 +70.1%
Rondo 111
CR-V 17,907 +23%
Rav4 15,685 +41.2%
Escape 14,313 64.7%
Rogue 8,319 -63.5%
Forester 6,449 +33%
Tucson 2,730
CX-7 2,573 +64.8%
Tiguan 1,326 +49.7%
Sportage 391
Edge 12,815 +186.2%
Equinox 11,658 +70.4%
Sorento 10,112
Pilot 8.059 +48.2%
HighLander 7,824 +50%
Murano 4,509 +6.4%
SanteFe 3,719
CX-9 2,420 +74.1%
Toureg 321 -1.2%
Tribeca 152 -58%
IS 2,447 -26.9%
TSX 2,256 +7.3%
Regal 1,950
A3 559 +54.1%
3series 8,945 +37.1%
Cclass 5,196 +3.9%
LaCrosse 4,741 +99%
CTS 3,760 +7.9%
ES 3,697 +21.4%
Gsedan 3,056 +7.9%; coupe 1,366 +6.6%
TL 2,514 +23.6%
A4 2,415 -18%
MKZ 1,254 -18.4%
Eclass 5,608 +47.1%
DTS 1,870 -18.1%
M 1,460 +226.6%
MKS 1,300 -1.2%
A6 787 +26.3%
GS 542 +8.2%
RL 240 +60%
Sclass 1,709 +55.2%
LS 712 -8.4%
A8 83 -55.6%
RX 7,420 -9.8%
Q5 2,277 +105.9%
GLK 1,685 +8.2%
RDX 1,382 +83.8%
EX 747 +32.7%
Enclave 4,408 +60.4%
MDX 4,077 +83.6%
SRX 4,027 +40.5%
M 2,780 +8.9%
MKX 2,658 +75.6%
GX 1,054 +122.8%
FX 854 +5.3%
Q7 673 -9.4%
x5 ??? +160.7%
x6 ???+122.3%
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Quoting it for later posters, so they don't have to scroll all the way back up. Thanks for the list TSX, always an item worth stealing internet for hahah
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notyper wrote:
[...]- Sorento up on Pilot. Wow.
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The Sorento starts with an i4 at 22k in 5 seating configuration, and tops at 33k with everything, a V6 and 3rd row seats. So basically it's a straight competitor to the Toyota RAV4 (which covers exactly the same price and options, from the i4 to the V6, 2WD and 4WD, available 3rd row). Yet everyone would agree that is a CR-V competitor and not Pilot's.
The Pilot is on a league of cars that are mainly 7 seaters and V6's starting around 30k and topping around 40k.
So now you put that Sorento with CR-V/Rav4 and company and reconsider your statement.. |
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Fixed!
CR-V 17,907 +23%
Rav4 15,685 +41.2%
Escape 14,313 64.7%
Equinox 11,658 +70.4%
Rogue 8,319 -63.5%
Forester 6,449 +33%
Tucson 2,730
CX-7 2,573 +64.8%
Tiguan 1,326 +49.7%
Sportage 391
Edge 12,815 +186.2%
Sorento 10,112
Pilot 8,059 +48.2%
Traverse 7,914 +15.3%
HighLander 7,824 +50%
Murano 4,509 +6.4%
SanteFe 3,719
CX-9 2,420 +74.1%
Toureg 321 -1.2%
Tribeca 152 -58%
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Blue_Sky_surfer wrote:
Let me repost this post from another thread:
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Does a raised wagon automatically mean better handling than a CUV?
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(1) There is no meaningful distinction between a "raised wagon" and CUV. They are the same thing: Unibody construction w' higher ground clearance.
(2) You compared performance #'s from a V6 Crosstour to an H4 Outback (your Outback #'s are from this article: http://www.edmunds.com/subaru/outback/2010/testdrive.html, which clearly lists the tested vehicle as a 2.5i w' 6MT).
(3) Nobody disputes that the Crosstour has good handling. It's sheer bulk, lousy rear visibility, and mediocre cargo capacity are problems.
The Crosstour is 194" long, and has a 40.2 foot turning circle (http://www.insideline.com/toyota/venza/2009/comparison-test-2010-honda-accord-crosstour-vs-2009-toyota-venza.html) 25.7/51.3 ft3 seats up/down cargo capacity.
Outback is 188" long and has a 36.8 foot turning circle. 34.3/71.3 ft3 seats up/down cargo capacity.
As to DevilMayCry's question ("maybe because you can't afford it?"), the answer is I could easily afford a fully loaded Crosstour. So no, I don't dislike the vehicle based on not being able to buy one.
And as to this question: "Do you guys get a high, coming on here and posting the same sh*t every week?"
Yes. I enjoy complaining about the Crosstour and being bitchy about the bloat of Honda's vehicles. But I also enjoy seeing Honda make progress on its lineup. CR-Z is a beautiful design, and the new Odyssey is more nimble, more efficient, and easier to use than the outgoing model.
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atomiclightbulb wrote:
(2) You compared performance #'s from a V6 Crosstour to an H4 Outback (your Outback #'s are from this article: http://www.edmunds.com/subaru/outback/2010/testdrive.html, which clearly lists the tested vehicle as a 2.5i w' 6MT).
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I compare specifically braking, slalom and skidpad test data. I see no meaningful impact of a M/T vs. A/T, therefore I didn't mention it.
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Venza vs. Crosstour
Mar 5,227 2,587
Apr 4,854 2,455
May 4,625 2,242
Jun 3,512 1,848
Jul 4,024 2,354
Aug 3,644 2,642
Sep 3,546 2,507
It seems Crosstour's sales is relativelu stable while Venza is falling.
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notyper wrote:
- How disappointing has the Mazda6 been? Wow, talk about a flop.
- The poor sales of the 370Z are a real bummer for enthusiasts. Here's a car that is quicker, much better appointed, and the same weight and price as its predecessor and it just won't move. The Camaro has nothing on it performance wise either. I hope Nissan doesn't get discouraged. |
The USDM Mazda6 looks awkward in person. There's just something weird about the front fender flares. It's a shame too, because most of the automobile mags liked it. The JDM Mazda6 is much much cleaner looking.
I think the Nissan Z brand does not have the same emotional impact as Mustang or Camaro. The Z may be a better car, but I think a lot of the sales of vehicles in this category are based on the looks and heritage of the brand. Muscle cars seem to have the upper hand right now.
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Like I said, if the 370Z doesn't sell, then what hope is there for enthusiasts? The only way I can see Nissan getting back into the Z game for next generation is a drastically lighter, decontented... and cheaper Z. To compete better against the 'Stang and company.
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Like I said, if the 370Z doesn't sell, then what hope is there for enthusiasts? |
Weight aside, the Z has enthusiast written all over it. RWD, manual transmission, somewhat high revs. It looks good too. I think people have also noted that the Genesis coupe doesn't sell very well either.
Abandon all hope.
Kids these days are more interested in smart phones, video games, and electronics than cars. I think for the next decade or so, we will be looking at product lines that are mostly soul-less commuting machines filled with gizmos to keep their ADD occupants safe and happy.
The marketplace does not want enthusiast cars, and government fuel economy mandates will finish off what the market doesn't.
I have decided to embrace the future: the 122 HP CR-Z. In a world where everyone is Prius-slow and watching AppleTV in their car, 0-60 in 9 seconds will be America #1 Faaaast. It will outrun the second fastest vehicle, a lumbering Subaru Outback that does 0-60 in 9.4 seconds.
:-(
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venza has been a smash in Canada - outsells Crosstour 6 to 1 and sales are up 25% this year - though of course it helps that there are 4 cyl and cloth trim versions that are much cheaper. Crosstour sales would be far higher were it not for bulk and rear visibility issues. In so many other ways it is an outstanding vehicle - but so many customers, female especially, just can't get past these issues.
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atomiclightbulb wrote:
Looks like CR-Z is on target for ~15k sales/year.
Crosstour still getting its ass beaten by the Outback. On track for~28k sales/year, or 30% below Honda's projections.
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The Y-T-D sales of Prius is ~103k. I recall Toyota said in early 2009 that the sales target is 180k a year. On track to 135k-140k this year, 25% below Toyota's projection.
Hey, we're talking about the supposedly vastly superior, invincible Prius here, right?
Who can explain why there's such a significant short fall?
Seems Crosstour is not alone. You won't see it if you don't look deep enough.
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There are two other things that I think might hurt the Z
1) No rear seat - even though sitting in the back of a Stang or Camaro is hell, it still has a rear seat.
2) No entry level model. You can get a base Stang or Camaro for not much over $20k. That probably accounts for half the sales of those models.
Nissan probably needs to advertise the Z more, with more emotional and hard hitting ad concepts that involve racing, burnouts, powerslides and the like. Look at the Challenger ads for an example - I still wouldn't buy one, but the ads just work.
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atomiclightbulb
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Blue_Sky_surfer wrote:
Hey, we're talking about the supposedly vastly superior, invincible Prius here, right?
Who can explain why there's such a significant short fall |
The Prius is irrelevant to whether the Crosstour is succeeding or not in the marketplace.
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danielgr wrote:
notyper wrote:
[...]- Sorento up on Pilot. Wow.
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The Sorento starts with an i4 at 22k in 5 seating configuration, and tops at 33k with everything, a V6 and 3rd row seats. So basically it's a straight competitor to the Toyota RAV4 (which covers exactly the same price and options, from the i4 to the V6, 2WD and 4WD, available 3rd row). Yet everyone would agree that is a CR-V competitor and not Pilot's.
The Pilot is on a league of cars that are mainly 7 seaters and V6's starting around 30k and topping around 40k.
So now you put that Sorento with CR-V/Rav4 and company and reconsider your statement.. |
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I love what TSX69 does each month, but it's tough to make these calls right all the time. I take each grouping with a grain of salt when I see it, but having it out there makes it so much easier. FWIW, here's my recommended changes (I have a Pilot, and did cross-shop a number of these):
On Large (with 3rd row) non-luxury SUVs, I would put Pilot together with the Chevy Traverse, Ford Flex, Toyota Highlander, Hyundai Veracruz, Mazda CX9, Subaru Tribeca, and Kia Borrego (rather than the Sorento). FWIW, Borrego (which does not show up on TSX's list) was 1107 last month. The Ford Flex also does not show on TSX's list.
On the smaller SUVs like the CRV, obviously the RAV4. But does it really compete with the Ford Edge? I'd say not, more like the Escape. So, I think TSX has it right with most of the other competitors listed.
That said, that leaves a hole: I'd put another category of mid-size, but without 3rd row, SUV: Edge, Equinox, Sorento, Santa Fe (I think Hyundai eliminated the 3rd row in the recent redesign, but if it's still there, it's like the RAV4 - not very usable), Toureg. Honda simply does not have an offering in this class. (I think TSX had reasoned that with the Sportage competing with the CRV, then that meant that the Sorento was up against the Pilot. I think the Sportage is a closer competitor size wise, but numbers wise, it was 391 versus CRV's 17907, a loss by 4580% :)
To put Sorento's numbers in perspective here (rather than saying it's up on Pilot), Sorento + Sportage was 10506, compared with CRV's 17907. It's definitely a success for Kia though.
One other change I'd recommend would be to move the Kia Sedona (1706 last month; also does not show up on TSX's list) as the competitor to the Odyssey, rather than the Rondo (111, also has been discontinued). I'm ok keeping the small minivan Mazda5 there, but the Rondo's history.
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Oopps my bad about the Sedona. To be honest, I am not that familiar w/ Kia vehicles & a lot of times I have to look them up (along w/ other brands like Chrysler - whose #s I could not find this month; I don't even bother looking up what Saab & Volvo vehicles are). I got lazy this month & did not look to see what the Sedona was.
While on topic, I am not that familiar w/ a lot of cars & have to go on to sites like Edmunds & see what categories they should be in as well as what they compete against. & again, if there is some debatable vehicles (like tweeners) I usually put them where they fall in the makers lineup (that is why the Sorento falls in mid-size altho I can see the argument for it being a class down).
I am not sure what to make of the Flex but if a make has 2 models that fall in the same category, I usually take the bigger seller of the 2 (Edge) & consider the other more of a niche. I guess I could include both next month ....
As for distinguishing #s like w/ the Accord CrossTour - I avoid doing math & just present what is given to me - that is why you see the Accord's total & the CrossTour in another segment, just like how Honda does on their chart. In the same vein, you'll see that I put the G37 sedan & coupe separate but not combined bc that is how Infiniti puts the info out. Arguments for splitting/combining #s like this are all valid which is why I put both sets out there for people to interpret the way they say fit (I just don't do the math). Also, I would be more inclined to do it if all makes broke everything out like Matrix from Corolla & 3series sedans from coupes (dare I even hope for monthly breakouts of fleet sales?) ... but since that is unlikely there is always gonna be something kinda unfair.
The Boreggo is left out bc it is a SUV & not CUV ... I guess next month I could do an SUV category w/ the Explorer & 4runner - I just never bothered bc I figured it was a dying class.
I like the idea of putting 2row & 3row CUVs separate but that would require me to do a lot research each month until I remember which is which ... it is a lot easier to do w/ luxury CUVs bc there is a lot less. We'll see ...
& before anyone says anything: I know that the HS is not really a Prius/Insight competitor but since the dedicated hybrid section is so small & the HS has no other luxury dedicated hybrid competition, I just stuck them all together until the segment grows.
Just wanted to explain my reasonings ... cheers!
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Blue_Sky_surfer wrote:
atomiclightbulb wrote:
Looks like CR-Z is on target for ~15k sales/year.
Crosstour still getting its ass beaten by the Outback. On track for~28k sales/year, or 30% below Honda's projections.
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The Y-T-D sales of Prius is ~103k. I recall Toyota said in early 2009 that the sales target is 180k a year. On track to 135k-140k this year, 25% below Toyota's projection.
Hey, we're talking about the supposedly vastly superior, invincible Prius here, right?
Who can explain why there's such a significant short fall?
Seems Crosstour is not alone. You won't see it if you don't look deep enough.
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Yes, you are correct. Toyota's projections for the first full year of Prius sales are 180,000 and it looks like the Prius will miss its goal by a large margin. I'm sure people will use the economy as an excuse but the Prius was released when the economy was worse off than it is now and Toyota had the ability to adjust projections. Who knows, maybe it WAS adjusted to 180k. It probably has a lot to do with Toyota's battered reputation and continued lack of quality.
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I agree the Z is a stellar car. Probably one of the most appealing in the category, and I would have a hard time between it and the Mustang GT if I were shopping in the segment.
It bodes poorly for enthusiasts because the Genesis is another example of a poorly moving car.
I know the CR-Z is still new, but with all the bitching, you would have expected the 370Z to move at least twice as many cars, and yet it is down almost 30%. Unfortunately, while the "enthusiasts" talk about sports car, they apparently aren't buying them unless it is a 'Stang or Camaro. Unfortunate but true.
All I know is I would hate to be tracking the auto industry right now. The numbers have been all over the place the last few months.
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danielgr
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owequitit wrote:
I agree the Z is a stellar car. Probably one of the most appealing in the category, and I would have a hard time between it and the Mustang GT if I were shopping in the segment.
It bodes poorly for enthusiasts because the Genesis is another example of a poorly moving car.
I know the CR-Z is still new, but with all the bitching, you would have expected the 370Z to move at least twice as many cars, and yet it is down almost 30%. Unfortunately, while the "enthusiasts" talk about sports car, they apparently aren't buying them unless it is a 'Stang or Camaro. Unfortunate but true.
All I know is I would hate to be tracking the auto industry right now. The numbers have been all over the place the last few months. |
I don't find any car that could actually compare straight with the CR-Z, but I'd feel more comfortable if someone compared it to Si coupe sales for example. In Europe and Japan it's obvious that the CR-Z outsells K20 powered hot Civics (Euro and JDM R's), but I'm not so sure in the US (don't bring the US sedan here though)
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danielgr wrote:
owequitit wrote:
I agree the Z is a stellar car. Probably one of the most appealing in the category, and I would have a hard time between it and the Mustang GT if I were shopping in the segment.
It bodes poorly for enthusiasts because the Genesis is another example of a poorly moving car.
I know the CR-Z is still new, but with all the bitching, you would have expected the 370Z to move at least twice as many cars, and yet it is down almost 30%. Unfortunately, while the "enthusiasts" talk about sports car, they apparently aren't buying them unless it is a 'Stang or Camaro. Unfortunate but true.
All I know is I would hate to be tracking the auto industry right now. The numbers have been all over the place the last few months. |
I don't find any car that could actually compare straight with the CR-Z, but I'd feel more comfortable if someone compared it to Si coupe sales for example. In Europe and Japan it's obvious that the CR-Z outsells K20 powered hot Civics (Euro and JDM R's), but I'm not so sure in the US (don't bring the US sedan here though)
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The MX-5 (which isn't on the list) and the MINI mini or whatever it's gonna be called from now on, are the closest things.
The MX-5 would also be an interesting comparo to the 370Z; I'm sure the 370's sales aren't that bad, compared to some of the depressing vans & CUVs they bother selling.
You would expect the Detroit iron to sell in far bigger numbers than the panty-waisted imports; originally in the 1960s, those cars' sales were COLOSSAL.
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What's up with the A4? At 2415, that's way lower than what it used to be.
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As amazing the new 370Z is the '11 Stang V6 is just 10k cheaper in canada and even more if you want any options on the Z like sports pack and tech pack it sky rockets to 55,000 OTD!
Amazing car! A bit overpiced because of how great the new Mustang is!
Ford is going to be unstoppable soon! I want the next gen stang!...nowwwww!
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