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RL sales are closing in on the ZDX..
Its a great thing that Honda ignored all of its enthusiasts and dedicated valuable resources to getting the ZDX on the road! You sure showed us, Honda!
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The RL is now 6 years old and the ZDX is brand new. I don't think Acura is happy with either number.
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aznxthuggie
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sivikvtec wrote:
RL sales are closing in on the ZDX..
Its a great thing that Honda ignored all of its enthusiasts and dedicated valuable resources to getting the ZDX on the road! You sure showed us, Honda!
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Yea what a waste of money, time, and effort.
btw, i finally saw a ZDX on the road. It was driving towards me so i saw it front-to-back.
I saw a silver color, and it looked kind of like snoopy meets transformers. The rear of the car is awkward because the rear fenders stick out too much (two random bulges) and the windshield portion becomes too small.
It looks worse when it's moving, nothing like what a $50k+ car should look like, it's much better in the showroom.
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The ZDX being yet another example of poor focus group testing, or lackthereof. The Bimmer X6 is stupid and fugly from the rear, and the ZDX is the same only prettier.
C'mon Honda! When will you wake up and reform to ye olde ways? Be innovative, efficient and fire your design staff!
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A77
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Canadian ZDXs have a $12,000 incentive.
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FAL
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I wonder what the fanboy kool-aid drinkers who attributed poor sales to production issues and a small supply have to say now? Could the sales suck because the design sucks?
I have yet to see a ZDX on the street, but suffice it to say that I saw three RDXs in one day that had the new "beak" grille and they are extraordinarily ugly, whereas the pre-MMC was just awkward. The ZDX takes all that is awful about the post-MMC RDX and runs with it.
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DevilMayCry
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FAL wrote:
I wonder what the fanboy kool-aid drinkers who attributed poor sales to production issues and a small supply have to say now? Could the sales suck because the design sucks?
I have yet to see a ZDX on the street, but suffice it to say that I saw three RDXs in one day that had the new "beak" grille and they are extraordinarily ugly, whereas the pre-MMC was just awkward. The ZDX takes all that is awful about the post-MMC RDX and runs with it.
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Damn, get over it already!! You guys make me sick with all ya'll whining.
Do you guys get a high, coming on here and posting the same sh*t every week?
You don't like it, we get it...maybe because you can't afford it?....get something else!!!! My goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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$mooth
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I saw the ZDX on the street for the first time today and it looked hot. Fantastic design; a real head turner. A couple hours later I saw an X6 and I can't stand those bloated things.
I'm not the target for the ZDX. I think it's a big waste of money as I like the MDX. But i was surprised of how awesome that thing looked on the road. Gives me hope for future Acura designs.
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80honda
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DevilMayCry wrote:
FAL wrote:
I wonder what the fanboy kool-aid drinkers who attributed poor sales to production issues and a small supply have to say now? Could the sales suck because the design sucks?
I have yet to see a ZDX on the street, but suffice it to say that I saw three RDXs in one day that had the new "beak" grille and they are extraordinarily ugly, whereas the pre-MMC was just awkward. The ZDX takes all that is awful about the post-MMC RDX and runs with it.
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Damn, get over it already!! You guys make me sick with all ya'll whining.
Do you guys get a high, coming on here and posting the same sh*t every week?
You don't like it, we get it...maybe because you can't afford it?....get something else!!!! My goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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+1
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rocky
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A77 wrote:
Canadian ZDXs have a $12,000 incentive.
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Not enough IMHO
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sivikvtec
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DevilMayCry wrote:
FAL wrote:
I wonder what the fanboy kool-aid drinkers who attributed poor sales to production issues and a small supply have to say now? Could the sales suck because the design sucks?
I have yet to see a ZDX on the street, but suffice it to say that I saw three RDXs in one day that had the new "beak" grille and they are extraordinarily ugly, whereas the pre-MMC was just awkward. The ZDX takes all that is awful about the post-MMC RDX and runs with it.
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Damn, get over it already!! You guys make me sick with all ya'll whining.
Do you guys get a high, coming on here and posting the same sh*t every week?
You don't like it, we get it...maybe because you can't afford it?....get something else!!!! My goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What the hell are you talking about? Honda decided to spend money developing this abortion of a car instead of a new S2000, RSX/integra, a real RWD Lexus LS competitor...etc. There is nothing left in the Honda lineup for most of us enthusiasts. The Civic Si is outdated, the new one appears to not break any new ground and the CRZ is a joke.
So now, we get to sit back and enjoy watching Honda fail. This is what they get for forgetting about the people and culture that brought them to success in the first place.
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sivikvtec wrote:
DevilMayCry wrote:
FAL wrote:
I wonder what the fanboy kool-aid drinkers who attributed poor sales to production issues and a small supply have to say now? Could the sales suck because the design sucks?
I have yet to see a ZDX on the street, but suffice it to say that I saw three RDXs in one day that had the new "beak" grille and they are extraordinarily ugly, whereas the pre-MMC was just awkward. The ZDX takes all that is awful about the post-MMC RDX and runs with it.
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Damn, get over it already!! You guys make me sick with all ya'll whining.
Do you guys get a high, coming on here and posting the same sh*t every week?
You don't like it, we get it...maybe because you can't afford it?....get something else!!!! My goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What the hell are you talking about? Honda decided to spend money developing this abortion of a car instead of a new S2000, RSX/integra, a real RWD Lexus LS competitor...etc. There is nothing left in the Honda lineup for most of us enthusiasts. The Civic Si is outdated, the new one appears to not break any new ground and the CRZ is a joke.
So now, we get to sit back and enjoy watching Honda fail. This is what they get for forgetting about the people and culture that brought them to success in the first place.
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+1 Most were puzzled by the decision by Honda to make this thing especially after all this nonsense talk about the future is only more fuel efficient cheaper "green" eco vehicles. I personally don't find it ugly inside or out but it is just wrong. It has hardly any utility, its way too heavy, rear seats are cramped, and its too expensive.
They could have made the ZDX into a direct 5 seat competitor to the RDX if they gave it more room/utility, offered a fwd version, drastically lowered the price and it would have been a huge hit. They could have also went the other way and made the ZDX into a true good looking 2 door performance luxury coupe between the TL and RL where it would have had a much bigger market then a X6 competitor and made enthusiasts happier.
Now they have another dud in the lineup taking money, resources and the place of something much better suited for Acura and its fans like a sports car, coupe, or flagship rwd sedan.
Honda banking on hybrids and "green cars" has not worked out for them either with the poor selling Insight, not much interest in the CRZ, and the Accord hybrid failure. Even Lexus has not had much interest or sales success with hybrids with the new HS selling far below expectations and the LS600h and GS450h selling poorly and having little to no impact or interest. The RX hybrid is the only decent selling hybrid in their lineup. Aside from the Prius, hybrids are not much in demand nor big sellers in the US and it appears Honda/Acura has bet everything on hybrid green cars while ignoring and killing off their performance/sports cars. I really hope they have a backup plan when all these new and current green eco mobiles fail in the US.
You can't ignore the sales numbers and what buyers are interested in and what they don't respond to.
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lexusgs
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I meant to say the ZDX be a direct 5 seat competitor to a Lexus RX.
Wish we could edit our post after we post them.
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FAL
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sivikvtec wrote:
DevilMayCry wrote:
FAL wrote:
I wonder what the fanboy kool-aid drinkers who attributed poor sales to production issues and a small supply have to say now? Could the sales suck because the design sucks?
I have yet to see a ZDX on the street, but suffice it to say that I saw three RDXs in one day that had the new "beak" grille and they are extraordinarily ugly, whereas the pre-MMC was just awkward. The ZDX takes all that is awful about the post-MMC RDX and runs with it.
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Damn, get over it already!! You guys make me sick with all ya'll whining.
Do you guys get a high, coming on here and posting the same sh*t every week?
You don't like it, we get it...maybe because you can't afford it?....get something else!!!! My goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What the hell are you talking about? Honda decided to spend money developing this abortion of a car instead of a new S2000, RSX/integra, a real RWD Lexus LS competitor...etc. There is nothing left in the Honda lineup for most of us enthusiasts. The Civic Si is outdated, the new one appears to not break any new ground and the CRZ is a joke.
So now, we get to sit back and enjoy watching Honda fail. This is what they get for forgetting about the people and culture that brought them to success in the first place.
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+1000000
Honda needs to stop wasting limited resources for their poor-selling yuppiemobile abortions and focus on interesting, good-looking vehicles with large doses of reliability,practicality and good performance.
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FAL
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DevilMayCry wrote:
FAL wrote:
I wonder what the fanboy kool-aid drinkers who attributed poor sales to production issues and a small supply have to say now? Could the sales suck because the design sucks?
I have yet to see a ZDX on the street, but suffice it to say that I saw three RDXs in one day that had the new "beak" grille and they are extraordinarily ugly, whereas the pre-MMC was just awkward. The ZDX takes all that is awful about the post-MMC RDX and runs with it.
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Damn, get over it already!! You guys make me sick with all ya'll whining.
Do you guys get a high, coming on here and posting the same sh*t every week?
You don't like it, we get it...maybe because you can't afford it?....get something else!!!! My goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How does the kool-aid taste?
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sivikvtec
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I guess we are being too critcal of the ZDX's pitiful sales performance because we allegedly cannot afford it.
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FAL wrote:
DevilMayCry wrote:
FAL wrote:
I wonder what the fanboy kool-aid drinkers who attributed poor sales to production issues and a small supply have to say now? Could the sales suck because the design sucks?
I have yet to see a ZDX on the street, but suffice it to say that I saw three RDXs in one day that had the new "beak" grille and they are extraordinarily ugly, whereas the pre-MMC was just awkward. The ZDX takes all that is awful about the post-MMC RDX and runs with it.
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Damn, get over it already!! You guys make me sick with all ya'll whining.
Do you guys get a high, coming on here and posting the same sh*t every week?
You don't like it, we get it...maybe because you can't afford it?....get something else!!!! My goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How does the kool-aid taste?
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Actually, it is quite tasty. They have a green tea flavor, too.
Not that I have ever tasted. That's what I heard.
Honest.
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aznxthuggie
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sivikvtec wrote:
I guess we are being too critcal of the ZDX's pitiful sales performance because we allegedly cannot afford it.
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No, we're being critical because it was poor product planning to begin with.
It's completely against acuras "smart luxury" tagline and (to me) is a waste of space in their line up.
They should have scrapped it and put the resources into something else.
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Funny...where are all the naysayers that posted not 2 short months ago that the ZDX had out performed the X6?? I made it abundantly clear that Acura dealers were forced to purchase this car for their loaner departments but no one took me at my word?!?! This is not a product that we need (and you all know I sell them). The ZDX is years ahead of the market (if it was needed at all).
The RL should be THE car that Acura focuses on. IT SHOULD BE RE-NAMED AS THE LEGEND!!!. This B-S that they fed us that the Legend name was more recognized than Acura is exactly that B-S!!
Bring back the LEGEND and make it the car it should have been 6 years ago. THE ACURA HALO CAR!!
Crying shame what is going on here...Acura has lost it's way... zero marketing scheme...products that the automotive community loves to drive but hates to look at, no PROPER COUPES...no real HALO car?!?!
We are the only "LUXURY" car manufacturer without a coupe!?! The answer: bring in a wagon?? then a sub-TSX car...4 door???
GET BACK TO THE BASICS......your client base is loud and clear Acura....now will you listen to them???
V-10 NSX (because I believe deep down...that you will build this car)
p.s. don't give me some crap about Acura increasing year over year, because ALL the automakers know, 2008 was not the real year to be feared, it's the coming 18-24 months (see: gold at $1,300 oz....Federal Reserve printing money... jobless claims at alltime high...home sales at record lows... the list goes on and on).
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FAL
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sivikvtec wrote:
I guess we are being too critcal of the ZDX's pitiful sales performance because we allegedly cannot afford it.
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There are vehicles one aspires to. The ZDX is not one of these.
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I don't get all of the middle school name calling and pissing contests... "kool-aid drinkers, fany boys, etc."
Are we not all here becuase we do, or have at some point liked one or more Honda/Acura vehicles?
Why should it be a big deal to be right about the stupid sales numbers of a vehicle that is clearly not a hit?
I agree that I want Honda/Acura to make a nice sports/sporty few cars for those of us who still enjoy driving. As a former S2000, Prelude VTEC, and CL Type S owner, I would certainly like to get back into a car similar to Prelude or S2000 some day.
But some of you guys only seem to get joy out of bitching and whining, and jumping down each others throat's all of the time.
It's really getting old, and really diluting the purpose of having this forum.
What does anyone care if some of us choose to defend Honda? Honda's a huge company with a storied past, and it hasn't always revolved around sports cars as some of you choose to beleive. I think the current Fit is as close to Honda's roots as you can get right now, spiritually anyway.
At the same time, if you don't like Honda for thier current offerings, fine, you have every right to say so. But all of the bull shit and constant "fanboy", "kool aid drinker", "where's all the fanboys from a couple of months ago that said xxxxxx..." stuff is really getting old.
That kind of stuff really doesn't belong here as this is a HONDA ENTHUSIAST site.
As I said, if you're disappointed, that's fine. Say so, and move on if Honda doesn't appeal to you anymore.
I'm affraid if this crap keeps up, it will drive away the few of us that are still here that want to have real discussions... I know I'm getting tired of it. Or maybe that's what some of you 12-year-olds want.
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sivikvtec wrote:
DevilMayCry wrote:
FAL wrote:
I wonder what the fanboy kool-aid drinkers who attributed poor sales to production issues and a small supply have to say now? Could the sales suck because the design sucks?
I have yet to see a ZDX on the street, but suffice it to say that I saw three RDXs in one day that had the new "beak" grille and they are extraordinarily ugly, whereas the pre-MMC was just awkward. The ZDX takes all that is awful about the post-MMC RDX and runs with it.
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Damn, get over it already!! You guys make me sick with all ya'll whining.
Do you guys get a high, coming on here and posting the same sh*t every week?
You don't like it, we get it...maybe because you can't afford it?....get something else!!!! My goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What the hell are you talking about? Honda decided to spend money developing this abortion of a car instead of a new S2000, RSX/integra, a real RWD Lexus LS competitor...etc. There is nothing left in the Honda lineup for most of us enthusiasts. The Civic Si is outdated, the new one appears to not break any new ground and the CRZ is a joke.
So now, we get to sit back and enjoy watching Honda fail. This is what they get for forgetting about the people and culture that brought them to success in the first place.
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Wow really? You are actually enjoying watching Honda "fail"? Really, are we 18? First of all, Honda isn't failing... look at the sales numbers. Look at the bottom line. It's pretty simple math. Secondly, let's assuming Honda IS failing... what are you going to do? What if Honda folds? What other forum are you going to go whine to then? Are you the type that likes to see people suffer? Really... sit back and enjoy. Real constructive.
So, call me a "fan boy". But the ZDX calls out to myself and my wife. We don't have kids, we enjoy luxury, we can afford it, we don't want a traditional SUV, we don't want a traditional sedan. So, for all your internet armchair quarterbacks that are the greatest automotive prognosticator... your OPINIONS do not represent facts for all others.
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80honda
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jsell wrote:
Funny...where are all the naysayers that posted not 2 short months ago that the ZDX had out performed the X6?? I made it abundantly clear that Acura dealers were forced to purchase this car for their loaner departments but no one took me at my word?!?! .....
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Yeah, no one took you for your "word". I believe you were challenged to backup your wild claims with some facts, but alas, you didn't.
We are still waiting.
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80honda
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I got a good laugh reading all the arm-chair quarterbacks telling Honda where to spend research and development dollars.
September a year ago the S2000 sold a whopping 33. Thirty three.
To add insult to that, Honda had the addition S2000 CR model available for the enthusiast, but guess what, the enthusiast didn't buy them.
September before that, a whopping 148.
The cost to develop an entirely new S2000 would be vastly more than the ZDX. The S2000 was not a parts-bin product, or in other words, a very expensive product to develop.
At the selling rate of the S2000, I don't think Honda would ever make a penny.
The ZDX on the other hand should be very profitable.
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80honda wrote:
I got a good laugh reading all the arm-chair quarterbacks telling Honda where to spend research and development dollars.
September a year ago the S2000 sold a whopping 33. Thirty three.
To add insult to that, Honda had the addition S2000 CR model available for the enthusiast, but guess what, the enthusiast didn't buy them.
September before that, a whopping 148.
The cost to develop an entirely new S2000 would be vastly more than the ZDX. The S2000 was not a parts-bin product, or in other words, a very expensive product to develop.
At the selling rate of the S2000, I don't think Honda would ever make a penny.
The ZDX on the other hand should be very profitable.
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You're leaving out quite a bit in your analysis.
The S2000 was in its 10th year of production last year which explains the low sales volume. If you wanted one, you had it already possibly more than one. If you wanted more or something different you weren't buying another S2000, you were waiting to see what happened with the Acura they were testing on the Nurembring.
Correct the S2000 was not from the parts bin. I would hope we could agree that over its 10 years Honda made back what they spent to produce the model.
The ZDX while being developed from the MDX and sharing some costs still costs money to produce. While it shares a platform it is not a parts bin vehicle.
Like all vehicles it needs to sell at a certain volume with minimal incentives to prove profitable. The fact that it isn't selling well and is only selling with incentives is not a good sign of overall profitability. Edmunds currently has it selling below invoice.
Side Note: Has a 2011 ZDX been confirmed??? Seems odd that the RL and ZDX for sale are 2010s while the TL, MDX and RDX available are 2011.
Any Acura salesmen have any orders in for 2011 ZDXs?
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Colin
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98EX4cyl wrote:
Side Note: Has a 2011 ZDX been confirmed??? Seems odd that the RL and ZDX for sale are 2010s while the TL, MDX and RDX available are 2011.
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Nothing odd about this. (Unless you've only been around Acura for 9 months) Acura has always staggered the introductions of the various model year replacements.
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98EX4cyl
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Colin wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
Side Note: Has a 2011 ZDX been confirmed??? Seems odd that the RL and ZDX for sale are 2010s while the TL, MDX and RDX available are 2011.
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Nothing odd about this. (Unless you've only been around Acura for 9 months) Acura has always staggered the introductions of the various model year replacements.
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So are there any changes to the 2011? new colors? Have you placed orders?
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80honda
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98EX4cyl wrote:
Side Note: Has a 2011 ZDX been confirmed??? Seems odd that the RL and ZDX for sale are 2010s while the TL, MDX and RDX available are 2011.
Any Acura salesmen have any orders in for 2011 ZDXs?
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Using that argument, Will there be a 2011 Crosstour, Insight, Element or Fit for example.
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jsell
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80honda wrote:
jsell wrote:
Funny...where are all the naysayers that posted not 2 short months ago that the ZDX had out performed the X6?? I made it abundantly clear that Acura dealers were forced to purchase this car for their loaner departments but no one took me at my word?!?! .....
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Yeah, no one took you for your "word". I believe you were challenged to backup your wild claims with some facts, but alas, you didn't.
We are still waiting.
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WILD CLAIMS?!?! the proof is in the pudding son. I told you, all you had to do was call your local Acura dealer and ask them if they had a ZDX in their loaner dept. And to take it a step further, you could ask them when it went into service. Funny, same month they "sold" 600 of them. Now we are back to actual sales figures for the turd.
Also, when you so assininely stated the ZDX was profitable.... there has been $2,500 DEALER CASH on them for 2 months already. The car has been out for 10 minutes and they already need dealer cash to unload them!!
Just don't bother responding to anything I post on this forum if all you have is your GIB to run.
V-10 NSX
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98EX4cyl
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80honda wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
Side Note: Has a 2011 ZDX been confirmed??? Seems odd that the RL and ZDX for sale are 2010s while the TL, MDX and RDX available are 2011.
Any Acura salesmen have any orders in for 2011 ZDXs?
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Using that argument, Will there be a 2011 Crosstour, Insight, Element or Fit for example.
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Actually I was thinking it may take all of 2011 to sell the 2010 ZDXs that have already been built so why bother building any 2011s. My local dealer has 11 sitting in their lot.
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