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MASTERNC
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1 Gear = Only 1 MPG? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-09-2010 09:19
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I'm surprised the EPA mileage numbers only differ by 1 MPG between the 5 speed and 6 speed transmissions. You would have thought the difference would have been larger (it might be in the real world but we won't know yet).

If real world numbers perform similarly, it reduces the need to upgrade to Touring for notably better fuel mileage. Of course, a sixth gear can have other benefits (such as an improved ride and fewer downshifts)
1989civicdx
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Re: 1 Gear = Only 1 MPG? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-09-2010 12:12
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I guess my question would be why is the 5-sp auto still in use here anyway? 5-sp auto in a 2011?

Is the 'old' trans really that much cheaper?
Couldn't the cost of the new trans be spread out over the entire line? I mean aren't we talking about a vehicle that's going to average over $35K here?

Yeah, I think it's a little annoying that Honda could/would not grace this brand new model with the latest and greatest they have to offer.

One of the things I've always loved about Honda was their ability to innovate and bring to the market technology usually ahead of the competition (not so much lately, though). Six speed trannys aren't exactly new here.

But having said that, I'm pretty sure, like usual Honda offerings, that it will meet or exceed the EPA estimates in the real world. And even the 27 hywy mpg listed for the 'old' trans beats the Sienna.

Personally I was hoping the Odyssey would hit 30 on the highway. But as is, I think if not a home run, we're looking at a triple here as far as execution!


RyanDL
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Re: 1 Gear = Only 1 MPG? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-09-2010 13:41
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1 MPG = 5%. Not bad.

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Hondarulez
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Re: 1 Gear = Only 1 MPG? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-09-2010 14:15
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1989civicdx wrote:
I guess my question would be why is the 5-sp auto still in use here anyway? 5-sp auto in a 2011?

Is the 'old' trans really that much cheaper?
Couldn't the cost of the new trans be spread out over the entire line? I mean aren't we talking about a vehicle that's going to average over $35K here?

Yeah, I think it's a little annoying that Honda could/would not grace this brand new model with the latest and greatest they have to offer.

One of the things I've always loved about Honda was their ability to innovate and bring to the market technology usually ahead of the competition (not so much lately, though). Six speed trannys aren't exactly new here.

But having said that, I'm pretty sure, like usual Honda offerings, that it will meet or exceed the EPA estimates in the real world. And even the 27 hywy mpg listed for the 'old' trans beats the Sienna.

Personally I was hoping the Odyssey would hit 30 on the highway. But as is, I think if not a home run, we're looking at a triple here as far as execution!





One possibilty is that Honda wants to play it safe. They did screw up big time when they introduced the 5AT back in 2000 with severe reliability issue(s). By limiting the number of vehicles with the 6AT, they can limit the damage to the brand's reputation in case something bad happens again.

As for mpg, that's what a lot of us said before when Honda was still using 5AT for all of the models - the mpg gain will be a few % (in this case 5%). The reason is the 5AT has been geared for efficiency anyways (engine runs at 1700rpm in 5th gear at 60mph in my 02 TL-S). The engine can't run much slower than that. I think you'd see more improvement in terms of acceleration instead with the much tighter gearing.
Blue_Sky_surfer
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Re: 1 Gear = Only 1 MPG? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-09-2010 19:33
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MASTERNC wrote:
I'm surprised the EPA mileage numbers only differ by 1 MPG between the 5 speed and 6 speed transmissions. You would have thought the difference would have been larger (it might be in the real world but we won't know yet).

If real world numbers perform similarly, it reduces the need to upgrade to Touring for notably better fuel mileage. Of course, a sixth gear can have other benefits (such as an improved ride and fewer downshifts)

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The mechanical difference between the trim lines is now the transmission. Most 2011 Odysseys have the same five-speed automatic as in the last van. But the top Touring and Touring Elite trim lines feature the six-speed automatic first seen in the Acura MDX. You'd think that would help fuel economy, and indeed these top trim levels get the best EPA estimated numbers—19 mpg city and 28 mpg highway. But Honda claims that low-resistance tires and aero tweaks on these models are the actual cause for that difference; the extra gear helps more with acceleration and drivability. Either way, the Odyssey's powertrain remains smooth and willing, with minor improvements in horsepower and torque.
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ipribadi
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Re: 1 Gear = Only 1 MPG? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-10-2010 16:27
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Do you guys really think a 7AT will further improve mpg compared with a 6AT?
6AT is about as optimal as it can get as far as planetary gearing AT.
I would appreciate the next improvement to be lower parasitic loss instead of "more gears".
Hondarulez
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Re: 1 Gear = Only 1 MPG? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-11-2010 02:18
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I doubt we will see significant gains. Honda claims that the new Odyssey is 3-4 (or 4-5)mpg more efficient than previous model. The 6AT is only worth 1mpg. In other words, I think there are other (better) ways to squeeze more mpg.
Longhorn
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Re: 1 Gear = Only 1 MPG? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-11-2010 23:48
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If the 5AT and 6AT have similar ratios in the last gear, I don't see how they can improve much.
Carzzz
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Re: 1 Gear = Only 1 MPG? [View Article]    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-11-2010 23:53
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I have a gen 7 5AT 3.0LV6 accord and find the gearing could be better. The 1st gear can be shorter. More gear in between can provide a smoother shifts. The final gear is okay, anything taller will lug the engine.

6 Speed is definitely better than 5 Speed.
It has better performance and economy.

7 Speed is good, it can only enhance a bit of the performance, and virtually no gain in economy.
 
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