|
|
|
|
 |
WingZ
 |
|
|
Anyone else think it was odd that they were so specific about naming the V10? They could've and it would've made more sense to say "The NSX replacement has been cancelled" but naming the V10 has me wondering if perhaps they'll do it with the new v8
|
NickDC5
|
|
Hybrid I4 perhaps...
But yeah, I was wondering about that. It seems like if you wanted to you could imagine it will be released with a V8 instead... possibly a forced induction V8, even. But no, I think they didn't mean anything else by it. I sure hope they make SOMETHING out of the money they spent on the successor to the NSX, even if it's the same car with a V8, like an R8 fighter. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
|
longhorn
|
|
|
Good point. If Honda yanks out V10, and the SH-AWD ,make it a true RWD with a V-6, and sell it as a Honda how much will the price drop?
|
TR
|
|
I'd say stop dreaming. How many times have you been disappointed with Honda's promises?
I'm done dreaming and waiting.... Honda decided to cancel every possible exciting product.
If some of them will be resurrected - great. But until then, I am not believing ANYTHING Honda says because it's all empty words.
|
TCWatkins
|
|
|
The new emphasis is on hybrids and non-traditional fueled cars. The economy will be bad for a couple of years. The NSX with the V10 is cancelled. It almost sounds like they are delaying introduction of the NSX by a few years to to make allow the radical jump to a hybrid or hydrogen NSX.
|
Honda-D
|
|
Train has left the station, Honda.
Everyone who you capture in the youth with Civic, CRX and Prelude has moved on to G35, 335i, A5.
|
siegen
|
|
It is worded perhaps a little strange, but I wouldn't hold your breath. It's likely we won't see anything like an NSX until the economy recovers.
Any word of the Lexus LFA program?
|
lexusgs
|
|
Yeah with this NSX announcement and what they have been doing over the past 10 years H/A are not going to be making anymore vehicles to get excited about and you can forget about rwd, v8, v10, luxury cars, sports cars, or anything a enthusiasts would want from Acura or Honda. They are getting rid of everything in their lineup that is luxury/performance oriented and will continue to over the years whether the economy is good or bad. Honda/Acura are going to be making appliances from now on that some maybe get a little better fuel economy then some other more exciting fun cars. H/A cars will be using inexpensive old outdated technology to keep prices down and will never invest in the newer tech their competitors are using because it will be deemed expensive and wasteful by the beancounters. The only thing Honda will be investing in are really weak efficient 4 cylinders and hybrids for weak 4 cylinders to put in small cars. Honda could make a fuel efficient DI v8 for Acura on a rwd platform with a 8 speed DSG that outperforms everything but that is totally against what Honda stands for now and if they do anything it will just be another old honda v6 with a 5 speed auto on a fwd platform and say that is good enough and that is all we are going to do. A rwd sports car/coupe/lux sedan aint coming from Acura ever and the S2000 is not going to be replaced. Expecting anything exciting from Acura or Honda anymore is simply dreaming, there are plenty of other brand that will continue to make the fun exciting cars and luxury cars and H/A is not going to be in that market anymore.
Acura not starting in Japan, getting out of F1 and now the cancelling of the NSX replacement was the nail in the coffin for Acura rising above where they currently are because the NSX replacement meant a v10 engine , rwd platform, possible v8 option, and selling something that truly competes with the luxury/performance competition, it is unlikely Acura will survive now because they will never build the cars buyers want at the higher price ranges and will fall further behind while its competitors do . It also means Honda will not be doing anything performance or enthusiast oriented and the S2000 or anything like it is dead. Honda/Acura has decided to become a smaller more economical Toyota no matter what the economy is and the old days of passion and engineering and fun exciting vehicles are now over no matter whether the economy is good or bad. Everything will be based on low cost, green, fuel economy. Don't expect anything from Acura or Honda anymore except to be let down and disappointed.
|
80honda
|
|
|
Wow LEXUSGS, please go to another forum for your trolling.
|
lexusgs
|
|
I will be staying and posting right here bud whether you like it or not. Being disappointed with a decision by Honda/Acura and writing about it is not trolling and I am not the only one on here to do that. I hope Honda reads these forums and understands how disappointed enthusiasts are over many of their decisions and products over the years. I want Honda/Acura to make the products that people want and not just settle for what they are currently making and I hope they improve, criticizing there decisions is the way to get the message that people are not very happy with them and want better vehicles. I hope they listen to the buyers and enthusiasts instead of just the beancounters.
Acura was doing great in the early to mid 90's with their lineup NSX, Legend s and c, Integra, and people respected them and were expecting them to really become a major player by more introducing rwd platforms, v8s, sports cars, more luxurious cars instead they took a bunch of steps back with the softer RL, no rwd, no v8s, v10s, letting the NSX languish unchanged much, no Legend coupe but weak CL coupe and then dropping coupes all together, etc. Acura has had some nice products like the 05 RL, TL, TLS, original TSX but they are simply not trying hard enough to compete and seem fine basing everything on Accord fwd platforms, honda v6, honda trannies, no new tech and they are taking a beating for it.
|
jero
|
|
lexusgs... you are pounding the point home very well.
Another interesting article I found today:
12/17/2008, 4:07 PM
Honda News
Honda establishes joint venture for lithium-ion battery development
Honda may be cutting costs and canceling some of its future vehicle plans, but the Japanese automaker is moving full steam ahead with its lithium-ion battery plans. Honda announced on Wednesday that it will be forming a joint venture with Japan’s GS Yuasa Corp. to further develop its lithium-ion battery technology.
The new company has yet to be named, but will be 51 percent owned by GS Yuasa and 49 percent owned by Honda. The new company will focus on developing lithium-ion batteries for Honda next-generation hybrid vehicles.
Honda is actually lagging behind its Japanese competition on lithium-ion batteries, with Toyota, Mitsubishi and Nissan already running lithium-ion joint ventures. In fact, GS Yuasa already has a lithium-ion partnership with Mitsubishi, but the Japanese battery maker says that it is not a conflict of interest since that project deals with electric vehicles while Honda’s will focus on hybrids.
It remains unclear when lithium-ion batteries developed from the joint venture will make their way into production vehicles, but a launch date is still likely several years away. According to Automotive News, both companies will be spending about $85 million on the new company.
|
owequitit
|
|
Honda-D wrote:
Train has left the station, Honda.
Everyone who you capture in the youth with Civic, CRX and Prelude has moved on to G35, 335i, A5.
|
I am still here...
|
siegen
|
|
lexusgs wrote:
Yeah with this NSX announcement and what they have been doing over the past 10 years H/A are not going to be making anymore vehicles to get excited about and you can forget about rwd, v8, v10, luxury cars, sports cars, or anything a enthusiasts would want from Acura or Honda. They are getting rid of everything in their lineup that is luxury/performance oriented and will continue to over the years whether the economy is good or bad. Honda/Acura are going to be making appliances from now on that some maybe get a little better fuel economy then some other more exciting fun cars. H/A cars will be using inexpensive old outdated technology to keep prices down and will never invest in the newer tech their competitors are using because it will be deemed expensive and wasteful by the beancounters. The only thing Honda will be investing in are really weak efficient 4 cylinders and hybrids for weak 4 cylinders to put in small cars. Honda could make a fuel efficient DI v8 for Acura on a rwd platform with a 8 speed DSG that outperforms everything but that is totally against what Honda stands for now and if they do anything it will just be another old honda v6 with a 5 speed auto on a fwd platform and say that is good enough and that is all we are going to do. A rwd sports car/coupe/lux sedan aint coming from Acura ever and the S2000 is not going to be replaced. Expecting anything exciting from Acura or Honda anymore is simply dreaming, there are plenty of other brand that will continue to make the fun exciting cars and luxury cars and H/A is not going to be in that market anymore.
|
It's the end of the world! Oh noes!
|
Jesse
|
|
|
And the battle of Armageddon begins. :P
|
bbelding
|
|
Me too... 7 cars later (Prelude Si, Civic Si, RSX-S, S2000, TL 6MT, and two Pilots for the wife)
|
Powered by Honda
|
|
owequitit wrote:
Honda-D wrote:
Train has left the station, Honda.
Everyone who you capture in the youth with Civic, CRX and Prelude has moved on to G35, 335i, A5.
|
I am still here...
|
Me too...
|
klui_188
|
|
Powered by Honda wrote:
owequitit wrote:
Honda-D wrote:
Train has left the station, Honda.
Everyone who you capture in the youth with Civic, CRX and Prelude has moved on to G35, 335i, A5.
|
I am still here...
|
Me too...
|
Same here...
|
cgx
|
|
The truth of the matter is simply this:
Honda is making sound business decisions based on the fact that it no longer has the brand equity, engineering or inclination to complete in the luxury or sport-centric market.
At one time is was necessary to produce luxury or sport 'halo' cars to complete in the family or entry-level brand segments, e.g., "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday."
Today, it is possible to produce environmentally-friendly 'halo' cars to effectively compete in the same family or entry-level brand segments.
Honda simply lacks the critical mass to complete for every potential buyer in every segment. They are all in on the 'green' hand, and only the future can determine if they are correct.
Let's just stop taking about Tier 1 pretensions for Acura, and how Honda offers the most 'sporty' drive for family or entry-level offerings.
If you are so inclined for the future, you can stick with Japan and buy an Infiniti, or go German with an Audi or BMW.
For the present, my suggestion is to stop embarrassing yourselves, and simply admit that you love your Honda because it is a well-made appliance on par with Toyota and Hyundai that gets you from point A to B with minimal headaches.
Of course, you are still allowed to wax poetic over the CRX, TSX and Prelude. Just remember "they're gone and they ain't coming back."
|
owequitit
|
|
cgx wrote:
The truth of the matter is simply this:
Honda is making sound business decisions based on the fact that it no longer has the brand equity, engineering or inclination to complete in the luxury or sport-centric market.
At one time is was necessary to produce luxury or sport 'halo' cars to complete in the family or entry-level brand segments, e.g., "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday."
Today, it is possible to produce environmentally-friendly 'halo' cars to effectively compete in the same family or entry-level brand segments.
Honda simply lacks the critical mass to complete for every potential buyer in every segment. They are all in on the 'green' hand, and only the future can determine if they are correct.
Let's just stop taking about Tier 1 pretensions for Acura, and how Honda offers the most 'sporty' drive for family or entry-level offerings.
If you are so inclined for the future, you can stick with Japan and buy an Infiniti, or go German with an Audi or BMW.
For the present, my suggestion is to stop embarrassing yourselves, and simply admit that you love your Honda because it is a well-made appliance on par with Toyota and Hyundai that gets you from point A to B with minimal headaches.
Of course, you are still allowed to wax poetic over the CRX, TSX and Prelude. Just remember "they're gone and they ain't coming back."
|
I don't need to make any excuses for my Honda branded products. I have driven the Germans, the Koreans, the domestics, and they don't offer anything tangible except chatroom fodder.
Sales are the final victory or failure, and Honda is doing just fine. If you want to believe that only you can see the true virtues of a car, then go ahead and believe it. We are all rational, we are all capable, and we all prioritize different.
Personally, REAL peformance can't even be found in cars in most cases.
|
|
|
| |
|
| Thread Page - [1] |
| |
|
![[home]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/home.gif){kind=small}
![[rumors and news]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/rumors.gif){kind=small}
![[model release matrix]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/newmodelreleasematrix.gif){kind=small}
![[dealer network]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/dealernet.gif){kind=small}
![[desktop calendar]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/calendar.gif){kind=small}
![[exhaust notes]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/exhaust.gif){kind=small}
![[tov forums]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/forums.gif){kind=small}
![[links]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/links.gif){kind=small}
![[search]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/search.gif){kind=small}
![[sponsors]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/sponsors.gif){kind=small}
![[garage]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/garage.gif){kind=small}
![[login]](http://sohc.vtec.net/elem04/login.gif){kind=small}
