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NoFear
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I just wanted second opinions but heres what I am having difficulty deciding. I want to know whats the best way to deal with putting in a new engine into the car but apply that with a budget. Being a university student its self explanitory on top of debts to cover this budget.
As its already assumed this is going to be a tuner car, something of eveyday use, something I want to make preferably a sleeper car since its a 4 door. I plan on focusing on the exterior also but I all the mechanical must be done first.
My main dilemma is what engine I can put in my car under my budget. I want to pursue a more power engine to begin with possibly a JDM B16 VTEC engine but when I look at a Type R or GSR engine its way past my budget. If I were to put a B16 into my car it would need the computer and all the other parts needed to transplant it into my car. The other way I am going is just putting a D15 VTEC or a D16 or even a DOHC and apply a Cold Air Intake System giving me some more power, possibly with a new exhaust system.
Please suggest to me something that will allow for a budget but give me alot more power then my stock engine, currently its a 1.5L 4 Cyl. engine.
ALSO, if I go with a B16 engine what other parts are necessary for me to upgrade in to have the engine in the car (ex. new suspension system, larger rear brakes, etc.)
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garoto628
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I think the keyword in this thread is new engine, and budget.
how much is your budget?
P.S.
This is just my opinion, and it might be waaaay off topic, you are going to University and have debts, and you're looking to tune a car?
tsk, tsk, tsk.
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NoFear
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All guys do.. but the engine has been leaking oil everywhere so the engine is the first to be changed.. anyway
I have been quoted for a D15 with labour for about $800 and I know most B16's range from $1500-2600 for JDM motors. But strickly for the engine and all the parts that are needed inorder for conversion possibly looking for anyway from $2000-$2500. I know theres not too much I can do with this budget other then put in a D15, but I want something that will pump out 125-160 HP atleast.
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garoto628
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NoFear wrote:
All guys do.. but the engine has been leaking oil everywhere so the engine is the first to be changed.. anyway
I have been quoted for a D15 with labour for about $800 and I know most B16's range from $1500-2600 for JDM motors. But strickly for the engine and all the parts that are needed inorder for conversion possibly looking for anyway from $2000-$2500. I know theres not too much I can do with this budget other then put in a D15, but I want something that will pump out 125-160 HP atleast.
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you are answering your own question, if that's the case. is your budget $1000? $2000?
there's a big gap between 125hp and 160hp. You are not really sure of what you want.
D15 vtec does like 127hp doesn't it? as far as im concerned.
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CarPhreakD
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With $2000-$2500 you don't have much of a budget for anything, other than improving your current D15 (actually, that might be barely enough to fix your D15's oil leaks...)
What you could do is try to put the 130 hp D15B's VTEC head on your own D15 and add in the ECU... I know that people have been swapping D16 heads around for years for power gains, but I don't know if the same could be done here... so research. All D15's seem to have the same bore and stroke, so if you're lucky you might be able to get a bolt-on head and ECU for cheap power gains.
Or, you could try to find and drop in a ZC engine, as these are higher powered D-series variants.
And finally, you could fix up your damn motor (all the parts should be cheap since the D-series is so old) and put in a turbocharger... there are many for sale that you can find for under $800 (just check out eBay lol)... with your budget I think that the only thing you can do if you want "real" power gains
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NoFear
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We'll I got a new D15 VTEK DOHC Engine and installation for side help labour at max $800-$900 bucks that will put from 120-130 HP on the car. But a buddy of whos a head admin for an integra organization in my area quoted me at $600 for a B18A/B Motor including the tranny, ECU, motor, for a complete swap not including labour. He said it would be cheap to put in a B18 motor that will give more power for a lower price, only difference is that I'll have to get different mounts to fit in the civic and parts to fulfill the engine swamp.
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CarPhreakD
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NoFear wrote:
We'll I got a new D15 VTEK DOHC Engine and installation for side help labour at max $800-$900 bucks that will put from 120-130 HP on the car. But a buddy of whos a head admin for an integra organization in my area quoted me at $600 for a B18A/B Motor including the tranny, ECU, motor, for a complete swap not including labour. He said it would be cheap to put in a B18 motor that will give more power for a lower price, only difference is that I'll have to get different mounts to fit in the civic and parts to fulfill the engine swamp.
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"VTEC"
Labour is going to be the expensive part either way for the B18As and Bs. Engine mounts aren't exactly cheap either. They make up around 140 hp, and keep in mind that these are non-VTEC engines. You "might be fine", but $600 sound suspiciously cheap... did your buddy tell you the mileage on the engine? Don't forget that you'd likely need to replace some parts on that engine when you swap it in (the throttle body always seems to break for whatever reason... and you'd need a new water pump), or even do a full rebuild if it's old (it's no fun putting it in and then seeing it blow a gasket).
The advantage of the B18 is that it's more robust, so if you ever get more cash you can upgrade it for quite a bit of power. The D-series engines can handle up to maybe 180-ish horsepower quite easily with a turbo at low boost without any other mods, but apparently they don't last very well once you push past the 200 horsepower mark unless you replace the engine's internals.
What's the condition of the D15 engine you're attempting to swap in? Did you BUY it already? If you bought it what's the point of all these questions?? Since it's basically a direct drop in, you're far less likely to run into technical and budget problems when you install it. But like I said, if you hadn't bought it yet I'd just look into a D15 head swap instead and ECU, which would upgrade your D15 for minimal cost, including labour (you could probably do it yourself even).
Do your research before committing, as I'm almost sure you're going to run into budget trouble with the B18, and you need to verify the condition of the engine and a quote of ALL costs that will be needed to install it.
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Dren
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Stay with your D motor. They make ok power and are very cheap to upgrade. I don't think Honda made a DOHC D series VTEC. There was the three stage VTEC motor. The D16A6/Z6 motor I made was pretty peppy with old Integra pistons that upped the compression ratio. Only cost me 10 bucks for the pistons on ebay. You can purchase cheap performance parts to get up around 140~150hp without too much trouble.
Stick with the D, get it running, pinch your pennies. Then purchase a few upgrades here and there. An intake, header and cam upgrade will net you pretty good gains.
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NoFear
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CarPhreakD wrote:
NoFear wrote:
We'll I got a new D15 VTEK DOHC Engine and installation for side help labour at max $800-$900 bucks that will put from 120-130 HP on the car. But a buddy of whos a head admin for an integra organization in my area quoted me at $600 for a B18A/B Motor including the tranny, ECU, motor, for a complete swap not including labour. He said it would be cheap to put in a B18 motor that will give more power for a lower price, only difference is that I'll have to get different mounts to fit in the civic and parts to fulfill the engine swamp.
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"VTEC"
Labour is going to be the expensive part either way for the B18As and Bs. Engine mounts aren't exactly cheap either. They make up around 140 hp, and keep in mind that these are non-VTEC engines. You "might be fine", but $600 sound suspiciously cheap... did your buddy tell you the mileage on the engine? Don't forget that you'd likely need to replace some parts on that engine when you swap it in (the throttle body always seems to break for whatever reason... and you'd need a new water pump), or even do a full rebuild if it's old (it's no fun putting it in and then seeing it blow a gasket).
The advantage of the B18 is that it's more robust, so if you ever get more cash you can upgrade it for quite a bit of power. The D-series engines can handle up to maybe 180-ish horsepower quite easily with a turbo at low boost without any other mods, but apparently they don't last very well once you push past the 200 horsepower mark unless you replace the engine's internals.
What's the condition of the D15 engine you're attempting to swap in? Did you BUY it already? If you bought it what's the point of all these questions?? Since it's basically a direct drop in, you're far less likely to run into technical and budget problems when you install it. But like I said, if you hadn't bought it yet I'd just look into a D15 head swap instead and ECU, which would upgrade your D15 for minimal cost, including labour (you could probably do it yourself even).
Do your research before committing, as I'm almost sure you're going to run into budget trouble with the B18, and you need to verify the condition of the engine and a quote of ALL costs that will be needed to install it.
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Thank but as I said before ALL the gaskets and stuff have pretty much sprung a leak that oil was all over the place so instead of waiting till the summer and being able to save up money I have to get the engine replace sooner then later.
The advantages of a B series engine within my car on top of the light weight already will only make it a plus for me in the long run when I decide to add upgrades. I'm trying my best to make this car a sleeper car in the long run as its a sedan and everybody can already assume.
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CarPhreakD
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A B18 is about 85 lbs. heavier than a D-series, sans accessories. There aren't as many upgrades for the B18A/B's, since they're not as popular as the B18C's.
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