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I trully hope that this does represent the car of the future, however, knowing the vagaries of the market its a BIG gamble! It does however firmly place Honda by a long shot as the leader in "green" transport. We can only hope that the rest of the market catches up and makes this technology a reality.
TOYOTA MUST BE SEETHING WITH ENVY. Not to mention the big three and the "Euro" trash :) What people don't quite grasp yet is another huge advantage of purely electric/fuelcell vehicles, they will essentially never break! There are no moving parts except for a fan here and there and lithium batteries will last decades, furthermore, as we are all aware electric motors can last almost forever! It should make the most reliable gas engines seem like crap.
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HONDA AFVM
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6SPDTL wrote:
I trully hope that this does represent the car of the future, however, knowing the vagaries of the market its a BIG gamble! It does however firmly place Honda by a long shot as the leader in "green" transport. We can only hope that the rest of the market catches up and makes this technology a reality.
TOYOTA MUST BE SEETHING WITH ENVY. Not to mention the big three and the "Euro" trash :) What people don't quite grasp yet is another huge advantage of purely electric/fuelcell vehicles, they will essentially never break! There are no moving parts except for a fan here and there and lithium batteries will last decades, furthermore, as we are all aware electric motors can last almost forever! It should make the most reliable gas engines seem like crap.
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Future! If we can bring down the cost of prosessing the hydrogen and make it on site w/o transporting it, KA-CHING. We just made it work.
If all of you get a chance, try to find the show on the Discovery Channal "Future Car" it has some amazing stuff that is even going on right now. "Google" that and the Norway hydrogen Highway.
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We caught a bit of Toyota's press conference after the Honda one at LA. They were definitely caught out. They were very focused on hydrogen, but all they could talk about was their Highlander fuel cell car that they drove a couple thousand miles in extreme conditions (engineering experiment). They are at least 6-12 months behind Honda at this point. Of course, they have huge resources, so Honda can't slip up.
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6SPDTL
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Sounds like pure BS. Honda and GM are sharing fuel cell technology. And as you have pointed out they are just "planning" shoehorning an obsolete fuel cell design into existing SUV's since they wont fit anywhere else. The truth is Toyota is at least 4 years behind the curve. Toyota has overextended itself in its race to be bigger than GM and its turning out they will be bigger in not too long but their transformation will have transformed them into a company that produces vehicles not much (if at all) better than GM. The history of the auto industry is that size DOES matter, yes once you get too big your engineering and manufacturing goes exactly to the shitter GM, VW, and now toyota!
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HONDA AFVM
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6SPDTL wrote:
Sounds like pure BS. Honda and GM are sharing fuel cell technology. And as you have pointed out they are just "planning" shoehorning an obsolete fuel cell design into existing SUV's since they wont fit anywhere else. The truth is Toyota is at least 4 years behind the curve. Toyota has overextended itself in its race to be bigger than GM and its turning out they will be bigger in not too long but their transformation will have transformed them into a company that produces vehicles not much (if at all) better than GM. The history of the auto industry is that size DOES matter, yes once you get too big your engineering and manufacturing goes exactly to the shitter GM, VW, and now toyota!
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My grandfather came over from Italy (legaly waited his turn like everyone should) in 1920. He always said "If-a you feet-a to big for ya shoe, you-a can't walk!" and he always stressed to be a BIG little man, this way you can advance with out notice, kinda like he did. God bless him, he lived to be 88 years old.
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Are there any unavoidable costs involved in fuel cells, Such as Platinum or gold? Or is it just a matter of Fuel stations and mass production.
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Turkle
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Yeah, the big one is: How do the petroleum companies get involved and make a profit?" That is the expensive question that will determine if roll out of the necessary infrastructure occurs or not. Before anyone poopoos me for saying this consider the enormity of our current petroleum based fueling system in the U.S. It did not become a reality overnight and is the model the Feds will look at for determining costs associated with a Hydrogen delivery model. Hopefully the "Create at POS" technology will become economical around the same time this kind of vehicle technology hits critical mass within the dominant manufacturers. I am proud of Honda for sticking their neck out and delivering on their promises. So, will this become the Temple of FCTEC in a few years?
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