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Chris David
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What a lame excuse. Is the weather worse on the Acura lots than it is on the competition? I'd drive through a blizzard to see an Acura RWD sports sedan.
"TOKYO Feb 6, 2007 (AP)— Toyota, hot on the heels of General Motors to become the world's No. 1 automaker, reported a 7.3 percent jump in quarterly profit Tuesday on booming sales in North America and Europe......"
"NASHVILLE, Tenn. (March 1, 2007) – Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today reported sales of 85,218 units in February, up 1.2 percent from the prior year. ...Sales for Infiniti were up 5.0 percent, with 9,704 units sold, as compared with last February’s 9,244 units."
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NSXman
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Chris David wrote:
What a lame excuse. Is the weather worse on the Acura lots than it is on the competition? I'd drive through a blizzard to see an Acura RWD sports sedan.
"TOKYO Feb 6, 2007 (AP)— Toyota, hot on the heels of General Motors to become the world's No. 1 automaker, reported a 7.3 percent jump in quarterly profit Tuesday on booming sales in North America and Europe......"
"NASHVILLE, Tenn. (March 1, 2007) – Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today reported sales of 85,218 units in February, up 1.2 percent from the prior year. ...Sales for Infiniti were up 5.0 percent, with 9,704 units sold, as compared with last February’s 9,244 units."
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While you may be right about the weather being bad for all and should affect all equally, the quotes you pulled do not disprove Acura's claim. Acura is claiming their larger markets were hit, and without data breaking down Toyota and Nissan's individual markets, it is hard to say with certainty that Acura is making excuses.
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Chris David
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Wanna buy a bridge NSXman?
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n8dog82
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hahaha...that made me laugh a little.
but seriously, honda is up too. to be fair "Chris David", we need to compare Acura to Lexus, Infiniti, not Toyota, Nissan. That being said, I have no idea what their numbers are so you may still be right.
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Frogger
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There's a grey cloud over Acura Torrance and in all the management's head....
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IntegraDC5R
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Chris David wrote:
What a lame excuse. Is the weather worse on the Acura lots than it is on the competition? I'd drive through a blizzard to see an Acura RWD sports sedan.
"TOKYO Feb 6, 2007 (AP)— Toyota, hot on the heels of General Motors to become the world's No. 1 automaker, reported a 7.3 percent jump in quarterly profit Tuesday on booming sales in North America and Europe......"
"NASHVILLE, Tenn. (March 1, 2007) – Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today reported sales of 85,218 units in February, up 1.2 percent from the prior year. ...Sales for Infiniti were up 5.0 percent, with 9,704 units sold, as compared with last February’s 9,244 units."
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Concerning the Infiniti quote why bother posting that, Acura sold almost 4000 more vehicles in February, they may have lost some percentage, but they still sold MORE vehicles.
The Toyboat quote proves what? They made 7.3% profit, that doesn't say anything really. Production costs may be cheaper with prices about the same or higher, thus increased profit. What about actual vehicle sales? And Toyboat includes Daihatsu and Hino trucks in it's total sales numbers for world output. Shady shit really, they might have a stake in both companies, but to include them to make your numbers more grand than reality is typical Toyboat business practice.
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DIY
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The 2007 redesigned higher priced MDX is only 332 vehicles above 2006 sales through February. Usually a model sells best in the first year of redesign. Higher price, a competitive marketplace, not much in the way of manufacturer incentives all can restrict sales.
In addition, Acura did not sell more vehicles for Feb 2007 or through Feb 2007 compared to 2006.
Acura Division Totals
Feb 2007 13658
Feb 2006 14146
Year to date Feb 2007 26675
Year to date Feb 2006 28127
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TonyEX
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Nope.
I can see over the palm trees the Long Beach Airport, Palos Verdes and the South Bay from my office windows ( dude, you'd be jealous if you saw my view)....
Anyhow, the weather is clear over Torrance today.
It did rain a bit a couple of days ago.
Frogger wrote:
There's a grey cloud over Acura Torrance and in all the management's head....
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TonyEX
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The redesigned MDX and the updated TL moved up in price significantly. The MDX is in the mid 40Ks, the TL pretty much run $38K. That's a big jump.
The RDX is an SUV and can not fill the mid 30K gap on its own.
Acura could use a top tier TSX. Indeed, it should use the TSX like BMW uses the 300. Entry level TSX at 27K, moving up with more motor, SH-AWD and even the turbo. I've always figured that a 240bhp SH-AWD AT6SS TSX Wagon in the 34K ( 2K more for the Navi package) range would sell very well for Acura.
The issue, however, is where would HMC build the cars. Again, by and by the issue is still capacity, and HMC doesn't seem to want the play the same game as Toyota which is sacrificing profitability by investing in more capacity.
Also.. why, oh why? Do we have to buy the Navi to get our hands on a TL-S MT6? Seriously. That's 2000 bucks I didn't want to spend, so we've kept the 04 TL for the time being.
DIY wrote:
The 2007 redesigned higher priced MDX is only 332 vehicles above 2006 sales through February. Usually a model sells best in the first year of redesign. Higher price, a competitive marketplace, not much in the way of manufacturer incentives all can restrict sales.
In addition, Acura did not sell more vehicles for Feb 2007 or through Feb 2007 compared to 2006.
Acura Division Totals
Feb 2007 13658
Feb 2006 14146
Year to date Feb 2007 26675
Year to date Feb 2006 28127
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Adampops
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"The issue, however, is where would HMC build the cars. Again, by and by the issue is still capacity, and HMC doesn't seem to want the play the same game as Toyota which is sacrificing profitability by investing in more capacity."
Even though I have no argument as to Honda investing more than Toyota in capacity, I think it should at least be mentioned that Honda isn't nearly as large as Toyota.
Also, in response to your last sentence, Honda is "sacrificing profitability by investing in more capacity" with there new Indiana plant. Honda may not be able to support what every single person wants, but I think they understand that more capacity is needed.
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Chris David
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IntegraDC5R wrote:
Concerning the Infiniti quote why bother posting that, Acura sold almost 4000 more vehicles in February, they may have lost some percentage, but they still sold MORE vehicles.
What about actual vehicle sales?
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To answer you first question: to point out what a bunch of BS the weather excuse is.
Here are some more quotes. See if you notice a trend.
"Lexus passenger cars reported best-ever February sales of 13,491 units, an increase of 27 percent over February 2006. "
"WOODCLIFF LAKE, N.J., March 1 /PRNewswire/ -- The BMW Group (BMW and MINI brands combined) reported February sales of 24,642 vehicles, an increase of 11.9 percent over the 22,018 vehicles sold in the same month of 2006. "
"Audi of America Inc., the U.S. unit of German carmaker Audi AG, said Thursday its February sales rose sharply, paced by the A4 sedan."
Acura needs to improve the product, not the weather. Hopefully they know that and don't believe their own press release.
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reddsharkk
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Hey tony, how did the TL become a 38k car? Base TL jumped up a couple hundred and you gain better suspension and leather. Acura got rid of the 6spd regular model due to almost complete lack of demand now that there is a TL-S. The MDX moved up in price 3000 on a base model. Compared to the old "touing", it comes out to almost the same price! With all the additions/upgrades I would definitely say that's a good value. And how is 40,665 the same as "mid 40's"? Sounds like a lot of whining and excuses to me.
As far as the weather BS goes, how come we keep hearing phrases like global warming, mild winter, etc. This is a pathetic attempt to explain slightly down sales. Why are they scrambling as if they lost sales like the domestics in recent years? Do they really have this huge market share in upstate new york that lexus and the rest dont have exposure to? Is the Acura dealer magically the only one up there under 20 ft. of snow? Quit the whining, redesign some of the cars more quickly, expand choices on the vehicles, and you will see sales rise. We should all chip in a couple of dollars for a corporate sized sympathy card and box of tissues.
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fortan
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corrolary to the "Temple of Complaint" is the "Temple of Fanboy excuses"
Obviously Acuras aren't selling well because:
1) entry-lux and civic buyers are saving their money for a V10 NSX2
2) ship from Japan sank with 2000 NSX2s and RLs onboard
3) TSX train derailed and fell into a ravine (again)
4) Capacity problems at the US factory, workers are 5% fatter this year and can only make 95% of the cars they did with the same facilities last year.
5) Oscillation Overthruster development has been delayed.
6) Localized Snowstorms over Acura dealerships.
7) Unavailablity of RDXs due to turbo shortage.
8) Buyers clamoring for more RLs but they are at the bottom of the ocean.
9) too many customers and Honda finance ran out of lease money
and most importantly:
10) Honda is holding back out of sympathy for Ford, GM and Chrysler.
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NSXman
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Chris David wrote:
What a lame excuse. Is the weather worse on the Acura lots than it is on the competition? I'd drive through a blizzard to see an Acura RWD sports sedan.
"TOKYO Feb 6, 2007 (AP)— Toyota, hot on the heels of General Motors to become the world's No. 1 automaker, reported a 7.3 percent jump in quarterly profit Tuesday on booming sales in North America and Europe......"
"NASHVILLE, Tenn. (March 1, 2007) – Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today reported sales of 85,218 units in February, up 1.2 percent from the prior year. ...Sales for Infiniti were up 5.0 percent, with 9,704 units sold, as compared with last February’s 9,244 units."
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BTW, Acura and Audi are more competition than Acura and Infiniti, atleast in my opinion.
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BOOMER
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fortan wrote:
corrolary to the "Temple of Complaint" is the "Temple of Fanboy excuses"
Obviously Acuras aren't selling well because:
1) entry-lux and civic buyers are saving their money for a V10 NSX2
2) ship from Japan sank with 2000 NSX2s and RLs onboard
3) TSX train derailed and fell into a ravine (again)
4) Capacity problems at the US factory, workers are 5% fatter this year and can only make 95% of the cars they did with the same facilities last year.
5) Oscillation Overthruster development has been delayed.
6) Localized Snowstorms over Acura dealerships.
7) Unavailablity of RDXs due to turbo shortage.
8) Buyers clamoring for more RLs but they are at the bottom of the ocean.
9) too many customers and Honda finance ran out of lease money
and most importantly:
10) Honda is holding back out of sympathy for Ford, GM and Chrysler.
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Ocillation Overthruster has to be the problem; long live Buckaroo Banzai!
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TonyEX
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Naw....
It was the Tornado over the Hormel factory in the midwest that slowed down shipments of Spam to Torrance. Hence there was a shortage of Spam Musubi at the Cafeteria and employees had to go off plant to Kau Kau Corner to eat lunch.
This delayed Honda Finance from approving leases for all of those 20K RLs that buyers wanted to buy in January.
There...
BTW- Did you notice that AHM just signed a deal with Jacques Cousteau to do some deep sea diving iin the Pacific?
PS: Toyota makes its own Spam. It's made by their PR and marketing departments.
fortan wrote:
corrolary to the "Temple of Complaint" is the "Temple of Fanboy excuses"
Obviously Acuras aren't selling well because:
1) entry-lux and civic buyers are saving their money for a V10 NSX2
2) ship from Japan sank with 2000 NSX2s and RLs onboard
3) TSX train derailed and fell into a ravine (again)
4) Capacity problems at the US factory, workers are 5% fatter this year and can only make 95% of the cars they did with the same facilities last year.
5) Oscillation Overthruster development has been delayed.
6) Localized Snowstorms over Acura dealerships.
7) Unavailablity of RDXs due to turbo shortage.
8) Buyers clamoring for more RLs but they are at the bottom of the ocean.
9) too many customers and Honda finance ran out of lease money
and most importantly:
10) Honda is holding back out of sympathy for Ford, GM and Chrysler.
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notyper
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Hey, that's a useful analysis, if you're a ****.
As a stockholder, I'd think you'd be more concerned about profitability than rapid expansion in production capacity.....
SC
fortan wrote:
corrolary to the "Temple of Complaint" is the "Temple of Fanboy excuses"
Obviously Acuras aren't selling well because:
1) entry-lux and civic buyers are saving their money for a V10 NSX2
2) ship from Japan sank with 2000 NSX2s and RLs onboard
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TonyEX
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There's a fine line in there.
When you have a product that is demand TODAY you can not alienate too many buyers. So you gotta expand the business and sacrifice the margins to build brand loyalty but still grow the total bottom line in the future at a reasonable rate.
Otherwise you may lose buyers when you need them most. Brands like Honda and Toyota do create loyalty because it's hard to find such combinations elsewhere ( reasonable, efficient sportiness and Buick like numbness, you choose, but both are reliable ).
Or you can do like BMW and simply migrate upmarket the entire product line (remember the Isetta years) while keeping a lid on production and creating a very tight product image -and grow the margins.
I don't think HMC/AHM/HoE can move the Honda brand upmarket like BMW, so they do sorely need at least two more production lines worldwide ( 300K units ) to build more Fits, TSX/Euro Accords, Civics and diesels. Maybe even export NA's Odyssey, CRV and TL to Europe, particularly if the next TL goes SH-AWD.
In the meantime, AHM/HMC is moving the Acura line upmarket. We would hope that the next RL follows the trend of the TL.
Oh... forget Daimler. they fucked up big time by buying Chrysler. That was/is the wrong way to grow the business.
notyper wrote:
As a stockholder, I'd think you'd be more concerned about profitability than rapid expansion in production capacity.....
SC
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owequitit
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Chris David wrote:
IntegraDC5R wrote:
Concerning the Infiniti quote why bother posting that, Acura sold almost 4000 more vehicles in February, they may have lost some percentage, but they still sold MORE vehicles.
What about actual vehicle sales?
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To answer you first question: to point out what a bunch of BS the weather excuse is.
Here are some more quotes. See if you notice a trend.
"Lexus passenger cars reported best-ever February sales of 13,491 units, an increase of 27 percent over February 2006. "
"WOODCLIFF LAKE, N.J., March 1 /PRNewswire/ -- The BMW Group (BMW and MINI brands combined) reported February sales of 24,642 vehicles, an increase of 11.9 percent over the 22,018 vehicles sold in the same month of 2006. "
"Audi of America Inc., the U.S. unit of German carmaker Audi AG, said Thursday its February sales rose sharply, paced by the A4 sedan."
Acura needs to improve the product, not the weather. Hopefully they know that and don't believe their own press release.
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Interesting that even with a 27% growth rate Acura STILL outsold Lexus...
Also, to not expect some sort of declining sales is a little silly. The TL and the TSX are within a year or so of total redesign.
That will most likely bolster their position significantly, since both are important in their overall sales.
As far as building better product right now, cars don't just design themselves overnight and typically take 4-5 years to gestate.
I am sure that with SH-AWD, turbos and the upcoming A-VTEC, and whatever other technologies they will introduce,both the persona and the "perceived" sport reputation of Acura will be just fine in the near future.
Besides, the V8 should be getting pretty close.
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wanga
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yeah it's the weather.how far are u Mr Santa Acura?
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