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Well I hope this breaks the Toyota monopoly on the Pro class. This thing looks like a beast, Christ! I liked the NSX, it was a beautiful car. As long as this is faster I will have to learn to love it.
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hondaracer
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not FWD, not a K series engine, not a real civic, not interested!
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Kale82
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Are you kidding?! That's any real honda racer's wet dream!! Transplating a Turbo-NSX motor into a civic!!! Holy crap!
my 2 cents...
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hondaracer
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Kale82 wrote:
Are you kidding?! That's any real honda racer's wet dream!! Transplating a Turbo-NSX motor into a civic!!! Holy crap!
my 2 cents...
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that's just it... i guess it is a "real" honda (or is it? a few of the block and head components are probably the only things originally mfr. by honda) - but it's definitely not a "real" civic. how many RWD civic's did honda ever produce? and it's not even a four cylinder.
i respect that honda is using racing as the promotional platform for it's products (and don't be fooled, this is pure marketing at work on honda's part), i just wish if they are going to call it a civic si they would keep the K series engine and FWD. this to me would really give us a fair representation of what the street car is ultimately capable of. and that's the best marketing - in my opinion.
when these projects basicly boil down to a RWD tube chassis with a V-angle engine, how do they differ from the established domestic-car traditional drag racing formula? import drag racing was originally interesting to me because of the challenge of FWD. a whole new set of physics had to be tackled to acheive new E/T records.
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notyper
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I pretty much agree with hondaracer. I like the car and all, and it is impressive in person (looked like twin turbos from where we were looking at it).
But, import racing is losing its focus. When you're racing small displacement engines (and the NSX engine could certainly be considered that), especially in FWD cars, you are doing something different. And lets not forget that organized import drag racing really got started because some guys (Frank Choi) couldn't get their import cars into existing events that had domestic only rules.
Today, however, you're seeing people replicate formulas developed and refined in other series. The only difference is which manufacturer's name and engine are on/in the car. And to be completely honest with you, when you're throwing tens of thousands of dollars at an engine, you can make almost anything work really, really well. So, like Hondaracer, I ask "what's the big deal?" There was so much hype about the Turbonetics RWD V8 Celica going 200 mph, but why? The chassis wasn't anything new, and slapping a lot of boost on a 300 cubic inch V8 isn't new either, even if it was from Toyota and not Ford. Now, run 200 mph with a four cylinder, or better yet a FWD, and that would be impressive.
Right now, I've got to say thumbs down to the NHRA. I think they're hurting import drag racing more than helping. And I was one of the biggest proponents of them coming in and organizing the series.
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neilap
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Whenever big businesses get into a sport they change it. The NHRA was the perfect platform for manufacturers to enter "import racing". The rules were not established early enough and with enough forethought. 2 years ago no one would have thought of running a v8. This year there were a bunch of Toyota's on the track sounding like Chevy's. I know in Gainesville they were booed thoroughly. Yes the Celica was fast but so what! So are Mustangs with the same set up. The sport has changed and it will keep changing. We may not agree with all the choices that are made but change is not always bad. I don't mind the crazy designs that is what the different classes are for. Steff's car was running against RWD cars that were probably worth 1/4th of his. The rules were changed to accommodate the unfair advantage that RWD had over FWD. If FWD cars are eliminated all together then I will take issue with the changes. However now there are about 7 different classes to enjoy in the sport with closer racing and faster cars. Change is not always bad. Honda has seen that the place to be recognized is in the top class. The hot rod class is practically owned by Honda's and I would expect more of the same in the new Pro FWD class. However the Pro class is unexplored by anything Honda so I think this is a welcome change.
Now for the bad side of "progress"...
Remember Lisa Kubo? Even though she was one of the more dominant racers in 2001 she had a hard time with funding for the 2002 season. The more big companies that enter the sport the less likely it will be that any individual will be able to compete. It happens everywhere, in all forms of sport. It is no longer a sport for fun but big business.
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I agree 100% and to add to that there should not be any V8's in any class. They can go run with their series and as far as the rest , they rule should be if the factory makes that way it's ok. No rear drive V8 Celica's;Focus,Cougars Holdens ...ect
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mditty
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n/t
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