bailey
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I am new on this forum and have a question for all rsx type s owners, how much oil does your engine use? Mine is at 1300k per litre and am told this is normal?
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RyanDL
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bailey wrote:
I am new on this forum and have a question for all rsx type s owners, how much oil does your engine use? Mine is at 1300k per litre and am told this is normal?
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How many miles/km on your engine? That seems a little high, unless your engine is new. I use as much as 2 qts every 5000 miles (approx. 1.9 L per 8050 km).
Ryan
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bailey
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Mine is a 2002 and it has 52,000 kilometers. I have really only noticed the usage in the last 8 months or so.
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Da Man
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Sorry for having to ask, but are you talking about how much oil your car uses up between changes? I guess you are, but I didn't realize that cars this new burned up oil. I guess I haven't paid close enough attention to how much oil I driain out of my engine during oil changes. Correct me if I am wrong.
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bailey
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Yes, I do mean use up oil between changes. The Acura dealership said it was normal to add one litre every 1500 kilometers. I am trying to find out if any other owner has the same problem.
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BOOMER
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Did you buy it new? How often do you redline it or use Vtec? The usage seems a little high for a 3 year old car w/a little over 31,000 miles as we measure it. Is it still in warranty? If it is, you could contact Acura Customer Service about it and see if they would be of assistance in confirming a problem exists. I would keep a record of the consumption rate to see if its consistent or varys with your use of the car, drive fast or slow and check for differences at 1500 kms.
Some cars do burn oil normally,ie. 911s, RX8s and other high revving engines, also turbos, SCs, etc.
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Hadean
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I am from Australia and we have a K20A2 fitted (same as the RSX-S engine) to our Integra Type R DC5.
My car is at 70,000kms and consumes oil around 1L every 5000km. However this summer it's been using a little more.
I change oil every 5,000kms because honestly the car would probably seize if I waited to the prescribed 10,000km service interval.
The dealership, as well as own mechanic, (ex-Honda & mugen mechanics) say it's perfectly normal to consume oil at that rate.
If you check your manual, it will say it will use up to 1L/1000km. Any more than that, it is a problem. Newer engines consume even more. High performance engines generally consume more oil than normal commuter ones.
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Antrey
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Mine burns about 1 quart every 2000-3000miles. More than any car I've owned previously. I was initially concerned that maybe my engine was out of spec, resulting in blowby lower compression etc, but it dynos right at the factory spec so performance is not affected.
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bboule
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How did you guys break your cars in?
This oil consumptions sounds a little ridiculous, my car is brand new I wouldn't have expected it to burn that much.
If it's that much you'd think they'd have put a sight glass on the engine like a motorcycle so you could check without a dipstick, and check often.
But then my motorcycle (a Honda) is tuned for ~150hp per liter at the crank and it doesn't burn a drop of oil. 12.6:1 compression if I recall correctly.
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bboule
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edit: Dealer recommended oil changes every 3750 miles.
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RyanDL
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bboule wrote:
How did you guys break your cars in?
This oil consumptions sounds a little ridiculous, my car is brand new I wouldn't have expected it to burn that much.
If it's that much you'd think they'd have put a sight glass on the engine like a motorcycle so you could check without a dipstick, and check often.
But then my motorcycle (a Honda) is tuned for ~150hp per liter at the crank and it doesn't burn a drop of oil. 12.6:1 compression if I recall correctly.
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I did ~850 miles without any full throttle or RPMs over 4500. I would have waited a full 1000 miles, but some jackass in an XK8 was pestering me on the highway...
The K20 can burn a lot of oil when breaking in due to the carbon reinforced cylinder liners that "absorb" oil. Just keep an eye on the level. Even broken-in, my engine drinks about 1-2 qts. between my 5K mile intervals.
Ryan
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bboule
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Is this in the manual? Is it *really* per honda's specifications?
Burning that much oil ought to screw up the emissions.
I'll watch mine but I'll be really disappointed if it burns that much. It just doesn't seem acceptable.
If it just happens during breakin that is one thing but for the life of the motor would be ridiculous. There are a lot of high-spec motors that don't burn oil.
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BOOMER
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A lot of motors don't redline at 8100 rpm, either. My 91 MR2 Turbo redlined at 7300 rpm, taken there every weekday on my work commute. I would warm it up for a few blocks, then get on I35 N, redline it in 2nd, AND 3rd if the traffic was clear, hit 100 mph and ease down to 75-80. When I sold it at 128,000 miles, it used 1 quart every 800-1000 miles. I changed oil and filter every 3750 miles. Everything was still original in the drivetrain when I traded it; turbo, clutch, diff. etc. High rpms generate lots of heat, and heat uses oil, its normal as far as I can see.
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RyanDL
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bboule wrote:
Is this in the manual? Is it *really* per honda's specifications?
Burning that much oil ought to screw up the emissions.
I'll watch mine but I'll be really disappointed if it burns that much. It just doesn't seem acceptable.
If it just happens during breakin that is one thing but for the life of the motor would be ridiculous. There are a lot of high-spec motors that don't burn oil.
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Of course that's not in the manual, but it's the truth. I think Honda defines acceptable oil consumption as less than 1 qt. per thousand miles.
I burn oil due to frequent short trips (my office is just over 1 mi. from my home) and pounding on the car (after it's warm, of course) on weekends, auto-xes, track events, and hot TX weather. Some people with the Type-S burn no oil, though I'm not sure how they drive the car. YMMV.
Ryan
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bboule
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It's OK I guess.
This seems to be one of the only issues I see reported with the car, if that's it, it's fine with me. Pretty amazing how few posts there are in this forum about problems/issues.
The only thing I saw reading through the docs on the car was the pressurization of the bottom half of the motor and re-burning any gasses that build up in the crankcase, I guess that could contribute to burning oil.
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full blown
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My type-s uses between 1and 2 quarts every 3-5000 miles. Always has, I got 90,000 on mine
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Sasker
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Hadean wrote:
If you check your manual, it will say it will use up to 1L/1000km. Any more than that, it is a problem. Newer engines consume even more. High performance engines generally consume more oil than normal commuter ones.
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I have a GS-R that does not burn a drop of oil. I rev it all the time, and the redline is at 8000. Where I live, we get temperatures down to -50C in the Winter (how many people here have started a car in the morning at these temperatures? They know what kind of noises the engine makes then :-), and my one-way trip to the University is 4 km, which is very short by any standard. I have driven it in these conditions for 3 years. This car is perfect, and this is what I would expect from any newer Acura too.
I think Honda couldn't repeat with the RSX-S the quality work it did with the GS-R engine. No matter how much you justify this much oil consumption by mentioning the RSX's engine being high-rev or high output, etc.
Let us not make this site like the many VW ones, where any and all problems in their cars are "normal."
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bboule
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Huh?
If they are justifying the car burning more oil then Honda says, you are right Sasker, there is no need for that.
But Honda SAYS the engine burns oil. They designed it to burn oil for some reason. I believe it has somethign to do with the emissions, does your Integra have all the same whizbang environmental controls? My understanding is the big issue is the crankcase ventilation. The RSX burns off the gasses in the crankcase, some of this is most likely churned up oil vapor during hard driving.
What joy do you get out of coming in here and talking about your Integra so much? We bought RSXes, this is the RSX forum, no one cares about old Integras.
Maybe some people here beat on their cars and they burn lots of oil. Mine is barely noticeable. I have generally changed the oil on any car I own at 3000 miles. If I did that with the RSX it burns so little oil you can't really see it burning any oil just by checking the dipstick.
It burned a little more during breakin but now that the breakin is finished it is not burning oil any more obviously then any other car I've had.
Do you measure your oil with a graduated cylinder when you drain it out of the car to ensure every last milliliter is reclaimed? (You laugh but I measure oil that carefully when filling my sportbike) Unless you're doing so you can't really claim your Integra burns absolutely zero oil. Oil is going to get consumed in one way or another, even if it doesn't you will never get it all out of the engine when you drain it.
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Karl O.
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Sasker wrote:
Hadean wrote:
If you check your manual, it will say it will use up to 1L/1000km. Any more than that, it is a problem. Newer engines consume even more. High performance engines generally consume more oil than normal commuter ones.
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I have a GS-R that does not burn a drop of oil. I rev it all the time, and the redline is at 8000. Where I live, we get temperatures down to -50C in the Winter (how many people here have started a car in the morning at these temperatures? They know what kind of noises the engine makes then :-), and my one-way trip to the University is 4 km, which is very short by any standard. I have driven it in these conditions for 3 years. This car is perfect, and this is what I would expect from any newer Acura too.
I think Honda couldn't repeat with the RSX-S the quality work it did with the GS-R engine. No matter how much you justify this much oil consumption by mentioning the RSX's engine being high-rev or high output, etc.
Let us not make this site like the many VW ones, where any and all problems in their cars are "normal."
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My RSX-S used a lot of oil when I beat on it.
My S2000 uses a lot of oil. I just put 1/2 quart in it today.
You want oil consumption? Ask a Porsche 911 turbo owner. Those guys carry spare quarts in their trunks. I guess they're glad that they don't own Ferrari Enzos, those things use oil and the oil they use costs $60 per quart.
Higher performance engines use a lot of oil. The K20 is way superior to B18C in every possible way, the oil usage is there to protect the engine. If you check the oil the way the owner's manual tells you, you'll have no problems.
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Sasker
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bboule wrote:
What joy do you get out of coming in here and talking about your Integra so much? We bought RSXes, this is the RSX forum, no one cares about old Integras.
To me the RSX-S is the next Integra GS-R. I use my car as an example of what Honda can do. My point is that these two cars are very similar in characteristics, and it makes me wonder why Honda could not make the RSX-S as reliable as the Integra. Losing 1 litres of oil every 1000 km or miles may be normal for Acura now a days, but it has shown that it can do better.
Do you measure your oil with a graduated cylinder when you drain it out of the car to ensure every last milliliter is reclaimed? (You laugh but I measure oil that carefully when filling my sportbike) Unless you're doing so you can't really claim your Integra burns absolutely zero oil. Oil is going to get consumed in one way or another, even if it doesn't you will never get it all out of the engine when you drain it.
I have many times driven my car for about 3000 km in a matter of 2 days, and have noticed (with naked eyes) no loss of oil. BTW it seems strange that an engine burns oil on purpose to help reduce emissions.
Anyway I see that people become defensive when someone says something they don't like to hear. Seeing my car, all the many complaints about the RSX (gearbox, losing oil, bad leather, etc.) just seem incredible. What I write is a reflection of this. I hope nobody here is taking offence.
I am actually sad that the RSX is going away because it is the last hatchback Acura. If it had curtain airbags, LSD/VSA, and a few other goodies, I would have bought one by now.
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BOOMER
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I had actually committed to buy an RSX-S in 2003, but bought a 350Z instead. In retrospect, I wish I had bought the RSX-S for a number of reasons I won't detail here.
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Truckondo
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I have 32000 miles on my Type-S and I generally get to the low mark for oil about 4000 miles after an oil change (btw, I change every 5k). I take it to 8600rpm (I have the Hondata Flash) at least twice a week. I've been using Mobil 1 Synthetic since my first oil change at 5000 miles. I drive "spirited" most of the time too. I think it just depends on how you break-in your car.
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