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2004-09-16
Honda has posted their info on J version of RSX/Integra today:
http://www.honda.co.jp/INTEGRA/
typeR max torque reached at 7000rpm instead of 6000...
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Last edited by RyanDL on 09-16-2004 15:39
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Gansan
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Check out the videos here:
http://www.honda.co.jp/INTEGRA/movie_r/index.html
Videos 2 and 3 are interesting--1 is the project leader talking about his feelings on the subject. The specifically say this is a car you can enjoy on a racetrack. Refreshing change from the anti racetrack stance of most American divisions!
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IntegraDC5R
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I still like the old front and rear lights better, but what I do like is the increased rigidity of the chassis. The new one is 10.6% stiffer vertically and 22% stiffer in the side up front and the rear is increased 8.5% vertically and 15.2% on the side. I noticed in the Type R brouchure that the front strut towers have been beefed up, also that there is a new performance bar down low in the engine bay. As soon as the dealer here on Okinawa gets one in, I will be scoping it out to see what goodies I can purchase to put on mine. Also the suspension, the front stabilizer bar went from a 23.8mm down to a 23mm and the rear stayed the same at 22mm. The rear suspension was increased in spring rate from a max of 8kg-mm to 8.5kg-mm. Oh well, I have owned my ITR for almost 16 months and it was bound to be improved upon so I will continue to enjoy what I have. I am thinking with the Mugen front and rear bars in place that the chassis rigidity is probably on par with the new one. I noticed that Honda has included a bar similar to Mugen's in the rear.
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IntegraDC5R
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Everything with a solid white circle is new or improved from the old model.
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BOOMER
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The TYPE S has a Sportshift option, why don't we get that option? Also, the Type R Recaros won't fit 3/4s of the people in the US, small wonder we don't get it. Is the Sportshift a 5 or 6 speed? I bet they would get more sales w/a 5AT available here.
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IntegraDC5R
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If I recall correctly it is a 5speed sport-shift.
You are right about the Recaro's not fitting most of the population. Luckily I don't fit in with the norm, as I am about 175cm(5' 9.5") and all of 62kg (137lbs) wet!!!
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gila
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The Civics R recaros probably could. I noticed that the thigh supports on the Civic R is `loose' giving more space.
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BOOMER
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Possibly. I am 6'4" and 285 lbs, but I can fit comfortably in the 04 S model. Thats about as far as I can go, anything smaller is impossible.
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aesir
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So make the seats optional and bring over the rest of the car. Just a thought. Oh well. American Honda doesn't quite get it that their are more and more people out there racing their cars. Nissan gets it: track model Z, Porsche gets it: GT3, GT2 (not in the same league as the RSX, but the NSX is.), BMW is bringing over a hyped up M3 this year, heck even Ford gets it with their Mustang Cobra-Rs. Dodge gets it Neon SRT-4, which is stupid fast and handles quite well for 20k I might add.
I honestly love Acura/Honda styling with few exceptions, but man I just wish they'd bring the sport back. They're becoming Toyota, dropping the Celica and MR-Spyder, to sell more sedans and SUVs. Whatever.
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RSXcellent
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aesir wrote:
So make the seats optional and bring over the rest of the car. Just a thought. Oh well. American Honda doesn't quite get it that their are more and more people out there racing their cars. Nissan gets it: track model Z, Porsche gets it: GT3, GT2 (not in the same league as the RSX, but the NSX is.), BMW is bringing over a hyped up M3 this year, heck even Ford gets it with their Mustang Cobra-Rs. Dodge gets it Neon SRT-4, which is stupid fast and handles quite well for 20k I might add.
I honestly love Acura/Honda styling with few exceptions, but man I just wish they'd bring the sport back. They're becoming Toyota, dropping the Celica and MR-Spyder, to sell more sedans and SUVs. Whatever.
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Your point is well taken and I would love an Integra-R. However, to Honda's credit, they do give us the S2K and NSX. I don't see them going the Toyota route.
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precisionelite
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aesir wrote:
So make the seats optional and bring over the rest of the car. Just a thought. Oh well. American Honda doesn't quite get it that their are more and more people out there racing their cars. Nissan gets it: track model Z, Porsche gets it: GT3, GT2 (not in the same league as the RSX, but the NSX is.), BMW is bringing over a hyped up M3 this year, heck even Ford gets it with their Mustang Cobra-Rs. Dodge gets it Neon SRT-4, which is stupid fast and handles quite well for 20k I might add.
I honestly love Acura/Honda styling with few exceptions, but man I just wish they'd bring the sport back. They're becoming Toyota, dropping the Celica and MR-Spyder, to sell more sedans and SUVs. Whatever.
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I for one, think that out of all the import companies Nissan gets it the best. I think Honda should follow Nissans lead. First off, you can get your sentra se-r and nissan 350z outfitted w/Nismo products. Second, their are different levels of tune i.e. r-tune, s-tune,etc. I forget which level it is but you can actually get a header w/o a catlylic converter. I say if any company has embodied the racing spirit of the import community it is Nissan. And this is comming from a dedicated Honda Fan.
Their is just no denying how in touch Nissan is w/its performance enthusiasts. I'll tell you this much, if i were to go to another company next...it would definatly be nissan.
-Greg P
P.S. Is Nismo a seperate aftermarket company from nissan, or a performance branch. It's a seperate company this is what I think. If the 350z can be fitted with nismo products, why can't the S2000 be fitted w/spoon products?
Also, bring the civic type r over, we need a hatch that can compete w/the r32. Ok...that's my rant. :-)
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BOOMER
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NISMO is the performance division of Nissan. Parts come in 2 flavors: 1. S for Street and 2. R for Race. The S-Tune is warranted by Nissan and so is the labor if installed by a dealer. R-Tune has no warranty at all, of course. The kicker is they are damn expensive and instead of just charging labor for changing the stock part(shock?), some unscruplous dealers are upping the hours of installation to fleece the unknowing.
The up side is you can have anyone install them, including DIY, and retain the part's warranty if they were installed correctly. Its really not any different from Honda's FTP, or whatever its called, except it is a separate division handling its own marketing, importing, etc. Most of the parts are what should have been standard, but enthusiasts are the only ones who know. Sameo, sameo, taking a bite of SEMA, which is OK, its business. Warranties are 3 years, 36,000 miles basic.
I decided I wanted something better, so I have a set of Koni Yellow Sport struts/shocks with a lifetime warranty and a much higher upgrade from Nismo, IMO, but you have to pay the price for more.
As for the seats, I fit in the US RSX-S just fine and offering the sport seats could be a simple option like you said, unfortunately AH would have to certify the 5AT for the S, probably too expensive for the low volume here.
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precisionelite
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BOOMER wrote:
Its really not any different from Honda's FTP, or whatever its called, except it is a separate division handling its own marketing, importing, etc. Most of the parts are what should have been standard, but enthusiasts are the only ones who know.
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Thanks for the info Boomer. However, their is one key difference between Honda's FTP and Nissan's Nismo Division. Nissian's Nismo division offers parts that increase both handling and power. Also, Nissan's Nismo Divison has a greater number of parts availible than does Honda's FTP. Plus their wheels are so much nicer ;-)
-Greg P
P.S. Doesn't Honda have its own division called "Modulo"?
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BOOMER
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I've never heard of Modulo, but you are correct about the suspension giving better handling and the exhaust giving you some more hp and trq for my 350Z, but its like 6-8 hp/trq, not 20, 30 or 40. The Z owners getting those numbers are supercharging and turboing their cars and they sure aren't coming from NISMO, I can assure you. One owner ordered a set of higher lift cams from NISMO, but was sending them back because the install prices were as expensive as the parts.
Stock hp for the Z is 287 at the crank, about 230-240 at the rear wheels. I can get a Stillen true dual exhaust that increases hp and torque by 16 and 13 at the crank respectively for only $1150 plus freight and install which will be around $200. Thats $80-85 per horse and twist, the NISMO exhaust will buy me less than 5 hp/trq and the cams another 14-15, but your warranty is gone because they are R-Tune parts and have no warranty if your engine breaks. NISMO is a paper tiger, not even a TRD. MY tweaks are a dropin K&N Filter(Stillens bunch found no CAI benefit over stock), a set of Ultra High Performance tires and Koni Yellow Sport Shocks. I'm happy as a clam and my Z runs like a rocket and handles great w/o any help from NISMO's catalogue.
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LA-DC5
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modulo is far from what NISMO means to nissan. it is actually a brand thought up by honda japan to accomodate some element of "sportiness" in their line up of cars. modulo actually offer stuff such as body kits and kits to spruce up your interior.
it just struck me that nobody made any reference to mugen, which is in fact the performance arm of the honda racing heritage much like what NISMO is doing for nissan.
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JeffX
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I believe NISMO is a property of Nissan. Mugen (now called "M-Power" due to the scandal) has always been entirely independent from Honda.
LA-DC5 wrote:
modulo is far from what NISMO means to nissan. it is actually a brand thought up by honda japan to accomodate some element of "sportiness" in their line up of cars. modulo actually offer stuff such as body kits and kits to spruce up your interior.
it just struck me that nobody made any reference to mugen, which is in fact the performance arm of the honda racing heritage much like what NISMO is doing for nissan.
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Souchirou
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Jeff wrote:
I believe NISMO is a property of Nissan. Mugen (now called "M-Power" due to the scandal) has always been entirely independent from Honda.
LA-DC5 wrote:
modulo is far from what NISMO means to nissan. it is actually a brand thought up by honda japan to accomodate some element of "sportiness" in their line up of cars. modulo actually offer stuff such as body kits and kits to spruce up your interior.
it just struck me that nobody made any reference to mugen, which is in fact the performance arm of the honda racing heritage much like what NISMO is doing for nissan.
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M-power? really?
If thats the case, then it'll be identical to bimmers M-series cars, which i believe their tagline's "M-power" too.
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BOOMER
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Jeff, it was widely reported several years ago that Honda had purchased Mugen and that the son of Honda's CEO was running Mugen for Honda. What "scandal" are you referring to about Mugen?
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platinumk0707
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the 05R is the sickest R ever......only complaints against no sunroof which i understand only complainsts for I WANT NAVI for usdm
plans: Type S 05 type -S A-spec with jdm tails. integra type s valve cover recaro seats and black Type R rims
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platinumk0707
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BOOMER wrote:
NISMO is the performance division of Nissan. Parts come in 2 flavors: 1. S for Street and 2. R for Race. The S-Tune is warranted by Nissan and so is the labor if installed by a dealer. R-Tune has no warranty at all, of course. The kicker is they are damn expensive and instead of just charging labor for changing the stock part(shock?), some unscruplous dealers are upping the hours of installation to fleece the unknowing.
Is nismo R-tune cheaper or more expensive then the A-spec package
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platinumk0707
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2005 hid headlites? good conversion
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BOOMER
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The R-Tune includes cams, exhaust, headers, suspension, etc. plus installation. The R-Tune is WAY MORE EXPENSIVE than A-SPEC, which is a suspension pkg essentially. Also, any R-Tune part does not have any warranty at all. A Nissan dealer quoted a buyer of the R-Tune cams the same price as the cams just to install them. Many of the NISMO parts have been a great disppointment to many of us Z owners because of the cost.
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PC_LUDER
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Jeff is correct.
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosinsider/0307/03/autos-208274.htm
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BOOMER
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We were both correct, I just forgot it was Sochiro's son, not the CEO's.
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JeffX
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from the Detroit News article:
"...Honda Motor, which is now Japan's second-largest automaker, once held a 40 percent stake in Mugen but transferred its entire stake to Hirotoshi Honda in 1999, according to Japanese news media."
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Honda Motor Company Ltd. currently has no stake in Mugen. From a corporate standpoint, they are entirely independent, though it's clear that they have pretty close informal ties.
BOOMER wrote:
We were both correct, I just forgot it was Sochiro's son, not the CEO's.
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IntegraDC5R
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BOOMER wrote:
Jeff, it was widely reported several years ago that Honda had purchased Mugen and that the son of Honda's CEO was running Mugen for Honda. What "scandal" are you referring to about Mugen?
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Well actually Hirotoshi was not just running the company, he founded it. Soichiro struggled long and hard in life and brought Honda Motor Company up from nothing and he wanted his son to do somewhat the same thing. I am sure that he helped his son on the financial side a bit in the beginning. It was only natural for Hirotoshi to set-up a performance market for his father's company.
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IntegraDC5R
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Jeff actually the company name is now called M-Tec, but the products will still retain the Mugen name.
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BOOMER
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What an embarassment for the Honda family! These things are taken so seriously in Japan he will never regain his former status but then, neither will John Z. DeLorean in the U.S. Countries are more alike than it seems, sometimes.
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JeffX
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Woops. I actually knew that but for whatever reason had "M-Power" stuck in my head for the past few days. How embarassing....
I think I made the same error in another post somewhere...
IntegraDC5R wrote:
Jeff actually the company name is now called M-Tec, but the products will still retain the Mugen name.
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JeffX
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Sorry, as IntegraDC5R pointed out, I suffered a major brain fade. The corporate name is actually "M-Tec", though the brand "Mugen" is still used.
Souchirou wrote:
Jeff wrote:
I believe NISMO is a property of Nissan. Mugen (now called "M-Power" due to the scandal) has always been entirely independent from Honda.
LA-DC5 wrote:
modulo is far from what NISMO means to nissan. it is actually a brand thought up by honda japan to accomodate some element of "sportiness" in their line up of cars. modulo actually offer stuff such as body kits and kits to spruce up your interior.
it just struck me that nobody made any reference to mugen, which is in fact the performance arm of the honda racing heritage much like what NISMO is doing for nissan.
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M-power? really?
If thats the case, then it'll be identical to bimmers M-series cars, which i believe their tagline's "M-power" too.
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