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For informational purposes, how difficult do you think it is to find the B18B (non-VTEC) LS motors and manual tranny? I have been thinking that building a B18B powered 88-91 CRX/Civic Si/Sedan (maybe even wagon) would be kind of fun. Plus, I know I could get the car relatively cheap (and get rid of my car payment in the process).
What kind of price would one expect to pay for said combo?
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Its extremely easy, and cheap. you should be able to get a full motor swap w/trani, harness, ... everything for like 1800 to 2000. But why are you look for a non vtec? You would be able to get a B18C1 gsr motor for not too much more, and they are easy to find as well. Only one that is hard to find, and expensive when you do, is the B18C JDM ITR motor or the B18C5 USDM ITR motor. (around 5k would be my guess)
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mythias2600 wrote:
Its extremely easy, and cheap. you should be able to get a full motor swap w/trani, harness, ... everything for like 1800 to 2000. But why are you look for a non vtec? You would be able to get a B18C1 gsr motor for not too much more, and they are easy to find as well. Only one that is hard to find, and expensive when you do, is the B18C JDM ITR motor or the B18C5 USDM ITR motor. (around 5k would be my guess)
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What is the cost involved for vtec connection on non-vtec chassis? Assume installing B18C in '92 Civic CX for an example.
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mythias2600 wrote:
Its extremely easy, and cheap. you should be able to get a full motor swap w/trani, harness, ... everything for like 1800 to 2000. But why are you look for a non vtec? You would be able to get a B18C1 gsr motor for not too much more, and they are easy to find as well. Only one that is hard to find, and expensive when you do, is the B18C JDM ITR motor or the B18C5 USDM ITR motor. (around 5k would be my guess)
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A good, legitimate question, to be sure. I think the B18C's have this 'aura' about them - they're VTEC, so they must be super-desirable. Granted, I haven't looked very hard at this point, but everything I've ever heard is that the B18C's are hard to find, and expensive when you do. The B18B's, however, are far more plentiful, and significantly less expensive.
I've never had the pleasure of driving a DOHC VTEC engine, but I do know the scream of the engine is legendary. Perhaps driving one would sway my decision. However, the B18B is better suited for a turbo, which is ultimately where'd I'd probably want to take the project. 140 ponies out of the box isn't too bad, especially in one of those older packages.
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mythias2600
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There is a difference between the B18C, the B18C1, and the B18C5.
B18C: The JDM ITR motor. expensive and hard to find.
B18C1: The GSR motor. not very expensive and are quite plentiful.
B18C5: The USDM ITR motor. expensive and can be hard to find.
Granted the B18B1 is a good motor to boost, since it has a decent botom end and not too high of a compression ratio, but the B18C1 (gsr motor) is also great to boost. With that motor you have the benefit of the vtec, but wont run into the compression and detonation issues like you would on an ITR motor. 170 som ponies out of the box isnt too bad either, especially on such a light car.
A good place for you to get more info on this would be honda-acura.net Tons of info on all sorts of engine swaps, turbo setups, etc. Do some more research, and then choose the best option for your budget and for your needs. :)
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mythias2600
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with a full motor swap kit, including trani, harness, ecu, etc, there shouldnt be any additional cost.
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Yeah, I know the differences between the three. The B18C5 was definitely out of the question. I can't think of many people that have totalled their ITRs lately.
I will check out honda-acura.net. Hybrid Garage, if it's still around, was pretty good as I recall. I have to take into consideration all the items I need: motor/tranny, harness/ecu, axles, suspension/brakes. I'm figuring I can bolt up some Integra brakes front and rear, but not sure on that model year.
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I agree, definatly go for the B18C1 or C2.
when its screaming at 8000+rpm you will be glad you did. They aren't to hard to find and early versions are getting pretty cheap. Oh and make sure its a jap spec one, their are tons of front cuts available from japan.
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mythias2600
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hondahookup.com has sopme good engine deals. they are pricier though because they are all JDM, and rebuilt to make sure they are in top condition, but worth the money...
Oh, and Im taking my ITR to the track tomorrow so if something disasterous happens, I'll let ya know. lol
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If you are interested I have a complete brand new, in the box, B18B long block. Includes everything from the tappet cover to the sump, less electrics and manifolds. Give me a yell if you interested in purchasing.
S4Speed
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jes98gsr
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Huh? Where did your info on "B18C" come from? The JDM ITR motor is referred to as "B18C 96 spec R" in HyperRev. 11.1 compression, 8400rpm redline.
mythias2600 wrote:
There is a difference between the B18C, the B18C1, and the B18C5.
B18C: The JDM ITR motor. expensive and hard to find.
B18C1: The GSR motor. not very expensive and are quite plentiful.
B18C5: The USDM ITR motor. expensive and can be hard to find.
Granted the B18B1 is a good motor to boost, since it has a decent botom end and not too high of a compression ratio, but the B18C1 (gsr motor) is also great to boost. With that motor you have the benefit of the vtec, but wont run into the compression and detonation issues like you would on an ITR motor. 170 som ponies out of the box isnt too bad either, especially on such a light car.
A good place for you to get more info on this would be honda-acura.net Tons of info on all sorts of engine swaps, turbo setups, etc. Do some more research, and then choose the best option for your budget and for your needs. :)
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mythias2600
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B18C is the engine code on the motor itself. look it up, buddy. Yes its 11:1 compression, with 8.4k red, but the engine code is B18C.
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mythias2600
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The B18C (engine code for the JDM ITR motor) only applies up to 2000. What is known as the RSX Type S in america is a scaled down version of the Integra Type R in the JDM. In japan the RSX is still the integra,just the next gen, which carries a different engine code. But the B18C is still the JDM ITR motor code for the pre-RSX versions, and B18C5 for the USDM. do your homework.
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I should restate my question. "Could you point me to a source on the JDM engine codes?" I was unaware of the lack of a numeral suffice on this engine code. Thanks!
-James
mythias2600 wrote:
The B18C (engine code for the JDM ITR motor) only applies up to 2000. ...But the B18C is still the JDM ITR motor code ...and B18C5 for the USDM.
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mythias2600
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ah, I was incorrect... the JDM ITR motor Code is B18C6/7. The B18C is the JDM Integra SiR-G motor code. Here are all Honda B series motor codes:
B17A1 1.7L USDM DOHC VTEC 92-93 Integra GS-R 160hp
B18A1 1.8L USDM DOHC non-VTEC 90-93 Integra RS/LS/GS 90-91: 130hp / 92-93: 140hp
B18B1 1.8L USDM DOHC non-VTEC 94-01 Integra RS/LS/GS 140hp
B18C 1.8L JDM DOHC VTEC 94+ Integra SiR-G 180ps
B18C1 1.8L USDM DOHC VTEC 94+ Integra GS-R 170hp
B18C5 1.8L USDM DOHC VTEC 97+ Integra Type R 195hp
B18C6/7 1.8L JDM DOHC VTEC 96+ Integra Type R 200ps
B20A5 2.0L DOHC non-VTEC 87-91 Prelude 2.0Si 135hp
B20B 2.0L DOHC non-VTEC 96-98 CR-V 126hp
B20Z 2.0L DOHC non-VTEC 99-01 CR-V 143hp
B21A1 2.1L DOHC non-VTEC 90-91 Prelude Si 145hp
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04-26-2004 20:34 |
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Thats funny because my 97 VtiR (GSR) has B18C2 stamped on the block. Im in Australia is that the same for the US spec 97 GSR?
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mythias2600
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04-26-2004 22:49 |
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Aus./EDM have a couple odd ball engine codes unique to that market. Most likely due to emission stanards and to run off the different gasolines, but yes, its equivalent of the USDM GSR or the JDM SiR-G
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This is getting off the topic but I think its a pity that the US and australian spec 94-01 integras have a different front bar and head lights to the Jap spec. Does anyone know the reasoning behind this?
P.S. How do you guys go with the cops over there and modifications? we get severly raped over here.
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