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Still partially disguised, but this should give us a general idea -Take a gander: http://wot.motortrend.com/spied-2013-honda-civic-revealed-with-accord-like-front-styling-285789.html
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longhorn
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I bet the exterior was already in cards for the MMC, but was moved forward. Makes sense to tie in the Civic with the Accord design wise.
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DCR
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I am pretty sure I see what they did to the back end there, and ooooooooooooo boy is that going to be interesting when the tape comes off.
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longhorn
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Or you could think of it as they grafted the Coupe front end onto the sedan.
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sugaki
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I like what I see. The grill looks tastefully updated, and the rear has thankfully ditched the 90s-Camry tai light scheme. If you notice the white reflector portion is lower and doesn't split the red in half. Looks like there's also those red lower reflectors on the lower rear bumper.
Exterior I think it could be an improvement over the 8G (granted I was never a fan of the 8G sedan aesthetics)
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Gary757
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NEW
http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2012/11/2013-Honda-Civic-prototype-spied-drivers-window-1024x640.jpg
OLD
http://www.boston.com/cars/newsandreviews/overdrive/assets_c/2011/06/2012-Honda-Civic-EX-Interior-thumb-607x404-45108.jpg
Is it me or is the two-tier dash going to get a face lift too?
Last edited by JeffX on 11-02-2012 13:21
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Holy poop. They did it. The rest-of-the-world clear projector headlamps for the US. The tape probably covers up some of the amber reflector, but still I'm extremely impressed with this car.
I still can't help but to think that enthusiastic 2012 buyers (maybe even regular buyers) will be pissed at the update...and will most likely buy it :P
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FondaHonda
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Holy poop. They did it. The rest-of-the-world clear projector headlamps for the US. The tape probably covers up some of the amber reflector, but still I'm extremely impressed with this car.
I still can't help but to think that enthusiastic 2012 buyers (maybe even regular buyers) will be pissed at the update...and will most likely buy it :P
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I really like what I see and have been reading all along. As I summized before, I really think most 2012 owners will not take note of the changes of any new Civic until it's trade-in time for them and I think those that do will grow into more enthusiastic Honda enthusiasts. I know a few MY12 Civic owners and they are overjoyed with their new purchases and are thrilled to have been able to afford a brand new vehicle -- and not just any new car, rather a high quality one. The favorable deals have made it possible for each not having to purchased yet another used car, rather a brand new spunky Civic. They love the brand already and look forward to years of Honda ownership. They are thinking ahead but to something even bigger and likely better: their very first shiny new Honda Accord :0)
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DCR
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Holy poop. They did it. The rest-of-the-world clear projector headlamps for the US. The tape probably covers up some of the amber reflector, but still I'm extremely impressed with this car.
I still can't help but to think that enthusiastic 2012 buyers (maybe even regular buyers) will be pissed at the update...and will most likely buy it :P
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The 2012 buyer probably lives in the same world the rest of us do where massive negative equity from moving into a 2013 would deter most from this.
What you will have is the pissed off part though.
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DCR
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FondaHonda wrote:
I really like what I see and have been reading all along. As I summized before, I really think most 2012 owners will not take note of the changes of any new Civic until it's trade-in time for them and I think those that do will grow into more enthusiastic Honda enthusiasts. I know a few MY12 Civic owners and they are overjoyed with their new purchases and are thrilled to have been able to afford a brand new vehicle -- and not just any new car, rather a high quality one. The favorable deals have made it possible for each not having to purchased yet another used car, rather a brand new spunky Civic. They love the brand already and look forward to years of Honda ownership. They are thinking ahead but to something even bigger and likely better: their very first shiny new Honda Accord :0)
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Wow. This sounds like what Honda corporate would pump down your throat in the face of these changes.
Unless the 2012 customer never goes back to the dealer for service, completely isolates themselves from social media, print media, Internet and television, they are going to know about it.
So, once the update was announced, did you ever mention that maybe they should wait for an improved version? Do some of these customers walking out with a great deal on a Civic realize that for a few dollars more a month over the term of finance or lease they could have the new one? I am betting your summary up there is also the justification process for keeping that little tidbit of info under your hat.
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S600=Dream
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It's still dorky, it's still proportioned like a biscuit, and it's going to need all the help it can get with mechanical updates, of which there won't be many, apparently.
I'm over the Civic.
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So is there another small car you like?
A lot of my friends seem to be switching from Honda to Toyota once they get out of small cars and into suv's, minivans, and midsize cars for their families.
I think part of it is the 2 years free maintenance. Part of it is disappointment with Hondas seeming cheap because of road feel and noise.
I'm about ready to change brand loyalty to Toyota. I won't be buying another Civic. If the car is going to cost $20k, I don't care about inflation, I want it to feel more refined. As CR says, the ILX is what the Civic should have been.
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A77
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JimmyEats wrote:
So is there another small car you like?
A lot of my friends seem to be switching from Honda to Toyota once they get out of small cars and into suv's, minivans, and midsize cars for their families.
I think part of it is the 2 years free maintenance. Part of it is disappointment with Hondas seeming cheap because of road feel and noise.
I'm about ready to change brand loyalty to Toyota. I won't be buying another Civic. If the car is going to cost $20k, I don't care about inflation, I want it to feel more refined. As CR says, the ILX is what the Civic should have been.
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Except the Corolla is a poor handling, chronic steering boring lump of lard 4 speed POS compared to even a Civic. It's no quieter - I rented one for two weeks. No better riding, far worse handling and steering. All it is good for is MPG and reliability. So is a Civic. It's crap safety wise too.
Yes that dash does look more runded and fluid. Hopefully the whole interior now flows together, has better materials, and better color choices...
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S600=Dream
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JimmyEats wrote:
So is there another small car you like?
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My Honda Fit.
It destroys the Civic in everything except ride quality and, uhhhhh, acceleration (?)...but let's be realistic here; both are dog slow.
The Fit is an overachiever like nobody's business.
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superchg2
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DCR wrote:
FondaHonda wrote:
I really like what I see and have been reading all along. As I summized before, I really think most 2012 owners will not take note of the changes of any new Civic until it's trade-in time for them and I think those that do will grow into more enthusiastic Honda enthusiasts. I know a few MY12 Civic owners and they are overjoyed with their new purchases and are thrilled to have been able to afford a brand new vehicle -- and not just any new car, rather a high quality one. The favorable deals have made it possible for each not having to purchased yet another used car, rather a brand new spunky Civic. They love the brand already and look forward to years of Honda ownership. They are thinking ahead but to something even bigger and likely better: their very first shiny new Honda Accord :0)
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Wow. This sounds like what Honda corporate would pump down your throat in the face of these changes.
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It really does sound like something they would come up with.
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hondadude
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A77 wrote:
JimmyEats wrote:
So is there another small car you like?
A lot of my friends seem to be switching from Honda to Toyota once they get out of small cars and into suv's, minivans, and midsize cars for their families.
I think part of it is the 2 years free maintenance. Part of it is disappointment with Hondas seeming cheap because of road feel and noise.
I'm about ready to change brand loyalty to Toyota. I won't be buying another Civic. If the car is going to cost $20k, I don't care about inflation, I want it to feel more refined. As CR says, the ILX is what the Civic should have been.
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Except the Corolla is a poor handling, chronic steering boring lump of lard 4 speed POS compared to even a Civic. It's no quieter - I rented one for two weeks. No better riding, far worse handling and steering. All it is good for is MPG and reliability. So is a Civic. It's crap safety wise too.
Yes that dash does look more runded and fluid. Hopefully the whole interior now flows together, has better materials, and better color choices...
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Totally agreed! The current Corolla is a complete piece of shit. Horrible interior plastics, horrible ride quality, horrible steering, and like you said boring like no tomorrow! Corolla's from the late 80's and through the 90's were nice cars but the current one is crap.
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DCR
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...but how are sales?
That is the metric, right?
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superchg2
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DCR wrote:
...but how are sales?
That is the metric, right?
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craptastic!
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DrWhiner
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Don't 'enthusiasts' care about sales???
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DCR
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DrWhiner wrote:
Don't 'enthusiasts' care about sales???
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Every once in awhile, you aren't getting enough attention, so you go out of your way to look like an idiot.
Mission accomplished again.
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superchg2
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DCR wrote:
DrWhiner wrote:
Don't 'enthusiasts' care about sales???
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Every once in awhile, you aren't getting enough attention, so you go out of your way to look like an idiot.
Mission accomplished again.
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He didn't put a "bump" on it this time.
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330R
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DrWhiner wrote:
Don't 'enthusiasts' care about sales???
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Not so much, no. I, as an enthusiast, care more about sporting manners - how well a car accelerates, shifts, steers, corners, stops, and how well it transistions between those things. I also care about ride, sound, quality, design.. it helps to not look dowdy. Sales matters to me if a car like I just described is selling well; or not, since I'd like to see a well engineered, sporting car succeed. Of course, sales success is relative, since a car that appeals to enthusiasts isn't going to sell as well as one aimed at the masses.
Of course, I'd expect you to know all of that already.
There's another instance when you might see enthusiasts bringing up sales - to point out a backfire in a corporate drone/shill/fanboy's agenda or "mentality". Someone obsessed with sales numbers is less interested in the goodness of the cars themselves. They measure success in number of units sold and the amount of money made. They're more likely to rally behind a more boring car just because it sells well. They're more likely to defend a car company's path of not offering enthusiast cars. Shills and corporate fanboys pretty much suck from an enthusiast POV.
DCR was drawing a parallel between the way people who see the 2012 Civic as a success based on units sold, despite the lame, low-rent interior, dumbed-down dynamics, and cheap exterior treatments; and the still worse Corolla, also a big seller (especially considering it has to be a profit machine for Toyota).
Now here's a question: Why does a non-Honda owner care about Honda sales enough to post on TOV???
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CarPhreakD
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DrWhiner wrote:
Don't 'enthusiasts' care about sales???
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I care, in the sense that it indicates a company's health. But good sales don't excuse poor products. Ideally, what I want to see is a product that is in the top 3 sales wise, and top 3 according to every single media comparison. The Civic used to occupy this space you know...
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owequitit
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330R wrote:
DrWhiner wrote:
Don't 'enthusiasts' care about sales???
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Not so much, no. I, as an enthusiast, care more about sporting manners - how well a car accelerates, shifts, steers, corners, stops, and how well it transistions between those things. I also care about ride, sound, quality, design.. it helps to not look dowdy. Sales matters to me if a car like I just described is selling well; or not, since I'd like to see a well engineered, sporting car succeed. Of course, sales success is relative, since a car that appeals to enthusiasts isn't going to sell as well as one aimed at the masses.
Of course, I'd expect you to know all of that already.
There's another instance when you might see enthusiasts bringing up sales - to point out a backfire in a corporate drone/shill/fanboy's agenda or "mentality". Someone obsessed with sales numbers is less interested in the goodness of the cars themselves. They measure success in number of units sold and the amount of money made. They're more likely to rally behind a more boring car just because it sells well. They're more likely to defend a car company's path of not offering enthusiast cars. Shills and corporate fanboys pretty much suck from an enthusiast POV.
DCR was drawing a parallel between the way people who see the 2012 Civic as a success based on units sold, despite the lame, low-rent interior, dumbed-down dynamics, and cheap exterior treatments; and the still worse Corolla, also a big seller (especially considering it has to be a profit machine for Toyota).
Now here's a question: Why does a non-Honda owner care about Honda sales enough to post on TOV???
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The major hole in the strategy is that they never talk about if the product is right, the sales fall in line. Of course, every financially successful company already knows this, including Honda, which is why this 2013 update is just about here, and is probably 1.5 years early, with updates that weren't originally intended (like what are apparently very upgraded materials qualities). In the end, we don't have to worry about it much anymore, because Honda has proven they recognized the same shortcomings we have been talking about, and they actually put their money where their mouth was. That means that despite all of the posting, bitching and propaganda to the contrary, there simply is no more wind in their sails. They have painted themselves into a corner, so to speak.
Now all that remains is to see how Honda actually executed the MMC, and more importantly, what the next generation of Civic will bring. However, the effort shows unquestionably that they are aware, and they are trying.
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330R
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owequitit wrote:
The major hole in the strategy is that they never talk about if the product is right, the sales fall in line. Of course, every financially successful company already knows this, including Honda, which is why this 2013 update is just about here, and is probably 1.5 years early, with updates that weren't originally intended (like what are apparently very upgraded materials qualities). In the end, we don't have to worry about it much anymore, because Honda has proven they recognized the same shortcomings we have been talking about, and they actually put their money where their mouth was. That means that despite all of the posting, bitching and propaganda to the contrary, there simply is no more wind in their sails. They have painted themselves into a corner, so to speak.
Now all that remains is to see how Honda actually executed the MMC, and more importantly, what the next generation of Civic will bring. However, the effort shows unquestionably that they are aware, and they are trying.
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Well said. I think we're all waiting to see the results of the Civic refresh, but at least we know Honda took note of the criticisms, and they didn't have to. I look forward to the chance to applaud their execution. I want to.
And yep, certainly expecting a lot better for gen 10.
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