Is there a difference between the I4 and V6 models regarding the paddle shifters? Is the auto-manual control through the paddle shifters only or is there also a gate on the trans shifter?
on the Sport sedan the trans has paddle shifters and there is no low range or L on the shift lever..After a drive I found that the Rpm range at speed differs from 300-500. Drive a Sport and Ex or Lx back to back you will find the Sport cruises at a lower rpm range...I also have heard only the coupe model to have paddles is the V6 and it has no gates on the shifter.
All coupes have paddle shifters, even the 6 cylinder models?
If that is true, I don't want one. So far, I've elimated the CVT 4 cylinder because I don't want to have a rubber band transferring power to the wheels, the 6mt because of the available colors. I was seriously thinking about the 6 cylinder coupe with the automatic for my wife, but paddle shifters are a joke. Do the 6 cylinder sedans also have the paddle shifters?
Yes, the 6-speed auto on the 6 cylinder includes paddle shifters. See the link to verify: http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-coupe/specifications.aspx
Jet Sitter wrote: All coupes have paddle shifters, even the 6 cylinder models?
If that is true, I don't want one. So far, I've elimated the CVT 4 cylinder because I don't want to have a rubber band transferring power to the wheels, the 6mt because of the available colors. I was seriously thinking about the 6 cylinder coupe with the automatic for my wife, but paddle shifters are a joke. Do the 6 cylinder sedans also have the paddle shifters?
Just out of curiosity, why would you avoid buying a car because it has paddle shifters and what makes them a joke?
What is Honda thinking? When you depress the paddle shifter your asking the software if it's ok to shift to another gear. After the software consider's your request, it shifts. The pause between the time you depress the paddle and the time it takes to actually shift up is annoying. I have a friend with paddle shifter in a Jaguar, he hates it.
Jet Sitter wrote: What is Honda thinking? When you depress the paddle shifter your asking the software if it's ok to shift to another gear. After the software consider's your request, it shifts. The pause between the time you depress the paddle and the time it takes to actually shift up is annoying. I have a friend with paddle shifter in a Jaguar, he hates it.
I agree that you can always not use them. Of course, I also agree they are completely lame. However, considering that the power than computers can process millions of bits (or even billions of bits) of data per second, and electrons move at the speed of light, it is unlikely that any delay would be due to a processing issue. Also consider that an automated manual can disengage, shift, and re-engage in the blink of an eye, and in most cases, I think the delay comes down to bad programming. Considering that Honda's automatic shifts often outperform some competitors manual paddle shifts, I would at least try it first.
I too was thinking a person doesn't have to use the paddle shifters but I think the option of clicking a downshift for engine braking in traffic or when exiting the freeway is rather wonderful. I wish my Accord had paddle shifters even though I might never use the upsift one. I agree that the full manual shift experience with them is not very good.
Jet Sitter wrote: I was seriously thinking about the 6 cylinder coupe with the automatic for my wife, but paddle shifters are a joke.
What is Honda thinking? When you depress the paddle shifter your asking the software if it's ok to shift to another gear. After the software consider's your request, it shifts. The pause between the time you depress the paddle and the time it takes to actually shift up is annoying.
I guess F1 is a joke because Ferrari (everyone in F1) uses Paddle Shifters...OBTW, Honda is also using it for the new F1 car they are working on to reenter F1.
Jet Sitter wrote: What is Honda thinking? When you depress the paddle shifter your asking the software if it's ok to shift to another gear. After the software consider's your request, it shifts. The pause between the time you depress the paddle and the time it takes to actually shift up is annoying. I have a friend with paddle shifter in a Jaguar, he hates it.
Oh, I got you. You are superman who drives stick and shifts (press clutch, shift, match rpm, depress clutch in controlled manner) in a 0.00000001 sec!
Get life buddy. Paddle shift (or any clutchless shifter) can shift gears way faster than average driver who wants to shift by themselves. Those who are 'faster' than car computer are few and nobody cares for their complains.
Cars are made to satisfy 90% of drives. Those 10% are so stinky rich they buy >$200K 'perfect' cars or have a driver. Accord is people mover not racing car.
Jet Sitter wrote: What is Honda thinking? When you depress the paddle shifter your asking the software if it's ok to shift to another gear. After the software consider's your request, it shifts. The pause between the time you depress the paddle and the time it takes to actually shift up is annoying. I have a friend with paddle shifter in a Jaguar, he hates it.
Well, Jaguar is Jaguar and Honda is Honda. If we wanted Jaguars we'd be reading The Temple Of Lucas.
The paddle shifters in our '12 TSX shift faster than I can in our '12 Civic Si.
And I can shift damn fast, even with heel and toeing matching revs and all that jazz. I find that DOWNSHIFTING is where the action really is, anyone can hamfist their way through an upshift- yawn! (*)-.. and either way, the TSX shifts really fast.
Also, the CVT is the Accord is NOT tuned like a rubber band, like in our '06 Civic Hybrid.
Have you tried driving an Accord with paddle shifters yet? You might change your mind.
(*) Yea, I'm sure you have experienced those drivers... every time they upshift, the entire car jerks, and your head bounces back and forth.. and when they downshift you can hear expensive sounds from the transmission, assuming you can pay attention because normally you are too busy holding on for dear life to avoid the dash. Yikes!
Jet Sitter wrote: I'm sorry ladies that my comment about paddle shifters has upset you.
I'm not upset, We-Me are just pointing out that P-S is a good thing, I love shifting gears, in a RWD, but for a FWD, I prefer Auto...Paddle Shift is a bonus for some added fun.
People, were talking about an Accord, not considered a good track car, more of a good around town (DD) type of vehicle.
Oh...wait a minute, you were addressing the Ladies, my bad!!
Jet Sitter wrote: All coupes have paddle shifters, even the 6 cylinder models?
If that is true, I don't want one. So far, I've elimated the CVT 4 cylinder because I don't want to have a rubber band transferring power to the wheels, the 6mt because of the available colors. I was seriously thinking about the 6 cylinder coupe with the automatic for my wife, but paddle shifters are a joke. Do the 6 cylinder sedans also have the paddle shifters?
The v6 sedans do not have paddle shifters, and that's probably the main reason I'm interested in a coupe -- I like to shift but the wife can't so any car I buy has to have auto trans.
Jet Sitter wrote: I was seriously thinking about the 6 cylinder coupe with the automatic for my wife, but paddle shifters are a joke.
What is Honda thinking? When you depress the paddle shifter your asking the software if it's ok to shift to another gear. After the software consider's your request, it shifts. The pause between the time you depress the paddle and the time it takes to actually shift up is annoying.
I guess F1 is a joke because Ferrari (everyone in F1) uses Paddle Shifters...OBTW, Honda is also using it for the new F1 car they are working on to reenter F1.
Complete and total non-sense. But nice try.
1) An F1 car is not using a power sapping, inertia intensive torque converter, which is decidely "unsporty." In fact, F1 cars use transmission mechanisms that are quite a bit more efficient than an auto trans. Think manual gearbox with automated shifting (because that is what they are). They certainly don't use torque limited CVT transmissions that are pretending to be conventional automatic transmissions.
2) An F1 isn't using wet clutch packs that shift themselves, and are a guise to try to make a pedestrian and non-sporty technology seem like it is cooler than it is.
3) F1 paddle shifters are designed to respond to requests with deliberate haste, shift limit logic, and pro-warranty protections.
4) The F1 driver is trying to extract every last millisecond of speed out of the car, while trying to corner at close to 3G's and processing volumes of data at 200MPH. The Accord driver is not. If you really think about the mission of a road car, it becomes quite obvious that with low speed limits, low handling thresholds and a pedestrian mission statement, that connection and involvement are more important than outright speed. Hence, even if paddle shifters did happen to be significantly faster, they are still pretty useless on a family car that shifts itself and is pretty intuitive in doing so.
Jet Sitter wrote: I was seriously thinking about the 6 cylinder coupe with the automatic for my wife, but paddle shifters are a joke.
What is Honda thinking? When you depress the paddle shifter your asking the software if it's ok to shift to another gear. After the software consider's your request, it shifts. The pause between the time you depress the paddle and the time it takes to actually shift up is annoying.
I guess F1 is a joke because Ferrari (everyone in F1) uses Paddle Shifters...OBTW, Honda is also using it for the new F1 car they are working on to reenter F1.
Complete and total non-sense. But nice try.
1) An F1 car is not using a power sapping, inertia intensive torque converter, which is decidely "unsporty." In fact, F1 cars use transmission mechanisms that are quite a bit more efficient than an auto trans. Think manual gearbox with automated shifting (because that is what they are). They certainly don't use torque limited CVT transmissions that are pretending to be conventional automatic transmissions.
2) An F1 isn't using wet clutch packs that shift themselves, and are a guise to try to make a pedestrian and non-sporty technology seem like it is cooler than it is.
3) F1 paddle shifters are designed to respond to requests with deliberate haste, shift limit logic, and pro-warranty protections.
4) The F1 driver is trying to extract every last millisecond of speed out of the car, while trying to corner at close to 3G's and processing volumes of data at 200MPH. The Accord driver is not. If you really think about the mission of a road car, it becomes quite obvious that with low speed limits, low handling thresholds and a pedestrian mission statement, that connection and involvement are more important than outright speed. Hence, even if paddle shifters did happen to be significantly faster, they are still pretty useless on a family car that shifts itself and is pretty intuitive in doing so.
Complete and total non-sense. But nice try. "Thank-U Very Much"
Really owequitit?...I thought a $30,000.00 Accord would have the same exact Technology as a Multi-Million Dollar F1...Thanks for pointing that out...
My point is, paddle shifters are here to stay and they do work, not that Accord & F1s are clones.
Folks, there's a huge difference between paddle shifters in a Accord, and a high performance car. BIG difference. The shifters in the accord and pretty much every normal car are a gimmick, simple as that.
Newf wrote: Folks, there's a huge difference between paddle shifters in a Accord, and a high performance car. BIG difference. The shifters in the accord and pretty much every normal car are a gimmick, simple as that.
I agree, Just about every Bell & Whistle in a car is a Gimmick...
I used to think the 'Three on the Tree' in my Double Nickel was cool, even with the long throw between gears, I could still get some scratch.
Can't wait to get my Coupe so I can, Straddle the Saddle and play with my Paddle.
I have not driven one yet - apparently, there are still very few in the area.
But according to Honda, the V6 Automatic works like this:
'Temporary Manual Operation in "Drive"
Whether in Drive or Sport mode, special transmission logic programming allows the use of the steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters (standard on EX-L V-6 Coupe). '
egile wrote: Anyone driven an auto coupe yet? How do the paddle shifters work, that is, do you have to select sport mode first or are they active in drive too?
egile wrote: Anyone driven an auto coupe yet? How do the paddle shifters work, that is, do you have to select sport mode first or are they active in drive too?
it's just like every other Honda/Acura sportshift implementation to date. They are "semi-active" in D mode and "fully active" in S mode.
In D mode you can command a downshift or an upshift at any time with the paddles (though depending upon circumstances, it may deny your request), and it temporarily goes into sportshift mode. It will actually hold the gear for some time until the system determines it's no longer needed for braking or acceleration.
In "S" mode, until you click one of the paddle shifters, the car actually behaves as if it's in D mode and will shift automatically, though it won't go any higher than 4th gear in this "sport auto" mode. It goes into "sport manual" mode if you click one of the paddle shifters and it won't leave "sport manual" unless you put the trans selector back into "D".
egile wrote: Anyone driven an auto coupe yet? How do the paddle shifters work, that is, do you have to select sport mode first or are they active in drive too?
it's just like every other Honda/Acura sportshift implementation to date. They are "semi-active" in D mode and "fully active" in S mode.
In D mode you can command a downshift or an upshift at any time with the paddles (though depending upon circumstances, it may deny your request), and it temporarily goes into sportshift mode. It will actually hold the gear for some time until the system determines it's no longer needed for braking or acceleration.
In "S" mode, until you click one of the paddle shifters, the car actually behaves as if it's in D mode and will shift automatically, though it won't go any higher than 4th gear in this "sport auto" mode. It goes into "sport manual" mode if you click one of the paddle shifters and it won't leave "sport manual" unless you put the trans selector back into "D".
That's simple enough, thanks for the explanation. BTW the sedan Sport model has a "sportier" tuned suspension, do all the coupes have the same?
When I drove the Accord, I used the paddles for a few minutes, and it just seemed useless to me. I was ignoring them before long and I doubt I'd ever use them if I had them.
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