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I had the opportunity to drive a 2013 Ford Fusion a couple of days ago and I drove a 2013 Honda Accord last week. Following is my unofficial comparison. For the record, the Fusion was an SE with the 1.6 liter Ecoboost and a 6 speed automatic. The Accord was a 4 cylinder EX-L with the CVT.
Exterior: From a styling standpoint there is no comparison. The Accord is a nice looking car, but the Fusion is one of the best looking cars on the road at any price. Winner: Fusion.
Interior: The Accord was excellent. The one piece, soft-touch dashboard top looks and feels as good as anything you will find in an entry-level luxury car. The leather is excellent. There is even some soft padding on the door panel, not just a strip at the top and the armrest, but the middle of the door panel where you don’t expect to find soft materials. The switch gear is of excellent quality. You could quibble with some of the plastics used on the driver facing portion of the dash, but overall the fit/finish and materials quality is top notch. The styling takes no risks, but it is modern and nice to look at. The Fusion is good too. The dashboard top is soft too, but is a step behind the Accord, same for some of the other plastics. The switchgear was just as good as the Accord. The seats in the Fusion were cloth, but their quality was excellent. Except for a soft-touch plastic strip at the top and the armrest, the door panel was hard. Styling is modern and pleasing, if a little austere. Winner: Accord.
Engine: The 1.6 liter Ecoboost in the Ford is quiet and smooth until you wring it out, at which point it lets out a sporty howl. On paper the Ford should feel stronger, it produces more torque at lower RPM, but on the road, the Accord felt quite a bit faster than the Fusion. The Earth Dreams 4 is not the best sounding engine Honda has ever made, but other than, it’s your typical Honda inline 4: powerful, refined, and efficient. I would be more than happy with the 4 cylinder Accord. If I bought the Fusion, I would have to get the 2.0 liter. Winner: Accord.
Transmission: Huge win here for the Accord. Honda’s new CVT is a revelation. I lay a lot of blame for the sluggish feeling of the Fusion on the transmission. Both weigh almost the same and have very similar horsepower numbers. Winner: Accord.
Handling: Both are excellent, but very different. The Accord handles well and is a fun car to drive hard. The Accord has a very light feel to it. The steering effort is low, but the electric steering is precise and accurate. The low cowl and the fact that the hood is not visible from behind the wheel, means the car feels smaller than it is. The car corners very flat, which is surprising at first because the ride feels very plush. The best word I can think of to describe how the Fusion handles is… gravitas. It feels like an expensive German car. The ride is not punishing, but you are always aware that you are in a firmly sprung car that is trading some ride comfort for handling competence. The steering effort and the effort required on the other primary controls (throttle and brake) is higher than the Accord; I think this is a good thing. The structure also feels exceptionally rigid, more so even than the Accord which is saying something. I would be very curious to see the numbers comparing the bending and torsional rigidity of these cars. Even though they are almost the same size, the Fusion felt bigger. You can see the hood from the driver’s seat and the belt line is higher. All of this means that you are aware of more mass around you. The Fusion really does handle well though. It corners flat, has wider tires than the Accord, and was a blast to hustle through a twisty freeway onramp at high speed. Winner: Fusion.
Ride: The Accord manages to handle almost as well as the Fusion while having a much better ride. Winner: Accord.
Quietness: Both cars are exceptionally quiet, but the Fusion has a little more road noise. The people saying the new Accord has a lot of wind and road noise just need to go and find something else to complain about. Honda has definitely fixed their road noise issues. Drive if for yourself and don’t listen to the whiners. Winner: Accord.
Conclusion: I was very impressed with the Fusion, but the Accord is truly something special and it’s the winner of this comparison and my next ride. The really winners here are us, the car buying public. The improvement over the previous model of each car is truly stunning. I was seriously considering an entry level luxury car this time around, but after driving these two, I realize I would be wasting my money. For around 30K, anyone can buy a truly outstanding vehicle that has all of the features of an entry-level luxury car and will transport 5 people in comfort, luxury, and style while also providing plenty of smiles for the driver, kudos to Honda and Ford.
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Thanks, that was the best comparison review I've read in a while (here or elsewhere).
Just one comment, I find it strange to separate handling from ride, since both are so intimately linked. I mean, anyone could make a car handle better at the expense of ride quality, but as a reader I'd like you to provide a final evaluation on "ride and handling", where you give us what's your overall assessment on what is a necessary compromise.
Truth is from what you wrote I believe I know, but it'd be nicer if you'd made it clear :P
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danielgr
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computernerd wrote:
I had the opportunity to drive a 2013 Ford Fusion a couple of days ago and I drove a 2013 Honda Accord last week. Following is my unofficial comparison. For the record, the Fusion was an SE with the 1.6 liter Ecoboost and a 6 speed automatic. The Accord was a 4 cylinder EX-L with the CVT.
Exterior: From a styling standpoint there is no comparison. The Accord is a nice looking car, but the Fusion is one of the best looking cars on the road at any price. Winner: Fusion.
Interior: The Accord was excellent. The one piece, soft-touch dashboard top looks and feels as good as anything you will find in an entry-level luxury car. The leather is excellent. There is even some soft padding on the door panel, not just a strip at the top and the armrest, but the middle of the door panel where you don’t expect to find soft materials. The switch gear is of excellent quality. You could quibble with some of the plastics used on the driver facing portion of the dash, but overall the fit/finish and materials quality is top notch. The styling takes no risks, but it is modern and nice to look at. The Fusion is good too. The dashboard top is soft too, but is a step behind the Accord, same for some of the other plastics. The switchgear was just as good as the Accord. The seats in the Fusion were cloth, but their quality was excellent. Except for a soft-touch plastic strip at the top and the armrest, the door panel was hard. Styling is modern and pleasing, if a little austere. Winner: Accord.
Engine: The 1.6 liter Ecoboost in the Ford is quiet and smooth until you wring it out, at which point it lets out a sporty howl. On paper the Ford should feel stronger, it produces more torque at lower RPM, but on the road, the Accord felt quite a bit faster than the Fusion. The Earth Dreams 4 is not the best sounding engine Honda has ever made, but other than, it’s your typical Honda inline 4: powerful, refined, and efficient. I would be more than happy with the 4 cylinder Accord. If I bought the Fusion, I would have to get the 2.0 liter. Winner: Accord.
Transmission: Huge win here for the Accord. Honda’s new CVT is a revelation. I lay a lot of blame for the sluggish feeling of the Fusion on the transmission. Both weigh almost the same and have very similar horsepower numbers. Winner: Accord.
Handling: Both are excellent, but very different. The Accord handles well and is a fun car to drive hard. The Accord has a very light feel to it. The steering effort is low, but the electric steering is precise and accurate. The low cowl and the fact that the hood is not visible from behind the wheel, means the car feels smaller than it is. The car corners very flat, which is surprising at first because the ride feels very plush. The best word I can think of to describe how the Fusion handles is… gravitas. It feels like an expensive German car. The ride is not punishing, but you are always aware that you are in a firmly sprung car that is trading some ride comfort for handling competence. The steering effort and the effort required on the other primary controls (throttle and brake) is higher than the Accord; I think this is a good thing. The structure also feels exceptionally rigid, more so even than the Accord which is saying something. I would be very curious to see the numbers comparing the bending and torsional rigidity of these cars. Even though they are almost the same size, the Fusion felt bigger. You can see the hood from the driver’s seat and the belt line is higher. All of this means that you are aware of more mass around you. The Fusion really does handle well though. It corners flat, has wider tires than the Accord, and was a blast to hustle through a twisty freeway onramp at high speed. Winner: Fusion.
Ride: The Accord manages to handle almost as well as the Fusion while having a much better ride. Winner: Accord.
Quietness: Both cars are exceptionally quiet, but the Fusion has a little more road noise. The people saying the new Accord has a lot of wind and road noise just need to go and find something else to complain about. Honda has definitely fixed their road noise issues. Drive if for yourself and don’t listen to the whiners. Winner: Accord.
Conclusion: I was very impressed with the Fusion, but the Accord is truly something special and it’s the winner of this comparison and my next ride. The really winners here are us, the car buying public. The improvement over the previous model of each car is truly stunning. I was seriously considering an entry level luxury car this time around, but after driving these two, I realize I would be wasting my money. For around 30K, anyone can buy a truly outstanding vehicle that has all of the features of an entry-level luxury car and will transport 5 people in comfort, luxury, and style while also providing plenty of smiles for the driver, kudos to Honda and Ford.
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Just one comment, I find it strange to separate handling from ride, since both are so intimately linked. I mean, anyone could make a car handle better at the expense of ride quality, but as a reader I'd like you to provide a final evaluation on "ride and handling", where you give us what's your overall assessment on what is a necessary compromise.
Truth is from what you wrote I believe I know, but it'd be nicer if you'd made it clear :P
PS: Sorry for the repost, just realized this was not the first post on the thread, rather make it clear which post I was talking about.
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Excellent comparison review between the Accord and Fusion, computernerd. The best I've read on TOV!
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talon95
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I agree... excellent comparison. Thanks for taking the time to write it. The Fusion was in place as my fall back position if I ended up not liking the gen 9 Accord redesign. I ended up loving the Accord redesign, so now I have one. But I'm still interesting in seeing how the Fusion does in reviews and in the marketplace.
A couple of comments...
I do agree with your assessments of the exterior styling, though I sense that I consider the 2 cars to be closer than you do. One thing I did find, though... as seems to be typical with Hondas, I think the Accord looks better in person than in pictures. As for the Fusion, it really knocked my socks off in the pictures, but I felt the wow factor fell a couple of notches in person. Somehow some of the angles that looked so ultra sleek in the photos looked quite a bit more pedestrian in real life. In the photos, it looked so expensive and exotic, while in person, it looked to me like a fairly standard looking midsized car with a kickass front end. I came in with high expectations and it fell somewhat short.
When I saw it at the end of July at a Ford booth at the EAA Air Show, we had only seen spy photos of the new Accord that highlighted the stuff that was mostly the same as gen 8, so I was prepared to be disappointed there. So I had no accurate point of reference to the Accord with which to compare the Fusion, which ended up to be a bit of a disappointment for me. Then when I finally saw the full photos of the Accord, I felt that Honda had done wonders with using the general shape of the gen 8 as a starting point and refining and sleeking out everything to create a handsome classic design with a touch of sportiness. Is it going to stand out like the Sonata, for example? Perhaps not... but later in its lifespan, the Sonata may stand out more for "That look has really grown old" rather than for the "wow, that's really different" reaction that it got when new. OTOH, I think the Accord will continue to look fresh for years to come. The Fusion will probably be more enduring than the Sonata, mostly because it ended up being quite a bit more tame, IMO.
Based on photos, my expectations were a bit lower for the Fusion's interior. When I looked at the center stack, my impression was that the rows of flush buttons surrounding the control knob looked cheap and functionally questionable. Though I haven't tried them personally, in the reviews I've seen so far, those controls (along with MyFord Touch overall) are a common topic of complaint. The buttons are small and reportedly hard to press accurately enough to get them to work. Although I don't think they actually are, they have the appearance of the cheap membrane buttons that appear on low end electronics. And they looked every bit as bad when I saw them in person. Based on that , my level of interest in the Fusion immediately dropped several notches. I did have to chuckle at its respect for tradition, however... with the interior, you can get "any color you want, as long as it's black". ;)
So my first view of the Fusion left me feeling that although Ford was aiming very high, the execution fell short of their aim. That seems to be a somewhat common issue with Ford these days. While with the Accord, Honda has made the outside smaller while maintaining or increasing the interior room, Ford has been coming out with designs that are less roomy than their peers and less roomy than their exterior dimensions would suggest. Has been a common complaint about the Taurus and I've seen the same complaints about the new Escape. Then there's the well reviewed Focus which was introduced with the "not ready for prime time" PowerShift transmission. I'm also reading that some of the applications of EcoBoost, while managing to ace the EPA tests, are performing well below those tests in real life. So I guess I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed about Ford... they entice you with lots of ambitious plans, but let you down with lackluster implementation.
But I digress... thanks again for the fine comparison.
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Thanks for the great review!
I had a chance to climb over a new Fusion yesterday (silver, 18s, ecoBoost, $26,640), and while it looks good, under closer scrutiny I found the fit and finish to be not so great - many slight "offs" of trim pieces, alignments and that cell phone aesthetic to the center-stack buttons is still there. The "sport" cloth looked kinda cheap and could use an "clothoBoost" of its own.
I'd go for the Accord (w/18s)...
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danielgr wrote:
Thanks, that was the best comparison review I've read in a while (here or elsewhere).
Just one comment, I find it strange to separate handling from ride, since both are so intimately linked. I mean, anyone could make a car handle better at the expense of ride quality, but as a reader I'd like you to provide a final evaluation on "ride and handling", where you give us what's your overall assessment on what is a necessary compromise.
Truth is from what you wrote I believe I know, but it'd be nicer if you'd made it clear :P
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I think of Ride & Handling as separate as well. The Ride is what your passengers are going to comment on, whereas Handling is something only the Driver truly enjoys through the wheel and the seat of the pants.
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98EX4cyl wrote:
danielgr wrote:
Thanks, that was the best comparison review I've read in a while (here or elsewhere).
Just one comment, I find it strange to separate handling from ride, since both are so intimately linked. I mean, anyone could make a car handle better at the expense of ride quality, but as a reader I'd like you to provide a final evaluation on "ride and handling", where you give us what's your overall assessment on what is a necessary compromise.
Truth is from what you wrote I believe I know, but it'd be nicer if you'd made it clear :P
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I think of Ride & Handling as separate as well. The Ride is what your passengers are going to comment on, whereas Handling is something only the Driver truly enjoys through the wheel and the seat of the pants.
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A car that wallows will make your passengers sick.. so handling and ride and not fully independent.
OTOH, too stiff handling will shake the bones of your passengers and might egg you to drive faster, ergo your passengers also get sick.
IMHO, the sweet spot is in what used to be called "Touring" and "Grand Sport". A nice compromise between
(1) A suspension with reasonable body roll.
(2) Good absorption of high frequency, low amplitude vibrations from the road (try 60 or 55 profile tires).
(3) good dissipation of low frequency, high amplitude road vibrations- shock compression a bit soft but rebound a bit stiff.
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So I wanted to weigh in 1 more time, have done yet another test drive but with the sport, then did a subsequent drive right after that with an EX to confirm my thoughts. The Sport is very different beast.
1. General louder, as a side note I noticed a bit of wind noise which I did not hear in the previous 2 ex test drives I did, but could be some seal issue or a tiny bit of tape.
2. Much harsher ride, made my TSX feel like it was floating on pillows.
3. Exhaust growl, I liked it, maybe other would not.
3. CVT sport function really does feel nice, give it a bit of a boost keeping the revs up, and gives you some control on some nice roads to push the car when needed.
4. Sport buckets were exactly that, but no doubt the leather in the exl much more comfort, not sure I noticed much difference with the EX cloth, maybe just harder?
My conclusion is yes I like a sporting type of sedan but these tire/wheel combo with the suspension are not upgrades in my opinion. Yes the wheels look better then the other models, but no way worth it. The ride is simply too harsh, feel every expansion joint, every bump. Maybe I am getting too old and my old integra 1992 rode like this but do not think so.
I think the CVT with paddle sport option is something I would no doubt want in an EX-L and all models above the LX, and stand corrected when I was down for a sport EX-L. I can see where someone would complain about the ride. I still would love to test out a stick EX, but the time I see one of these on the lot will be like winning a lottery ticket. Why is it that I visit a VW dealership and at least a 1/3 - 1/2 the cars have sticks, you are making us Honda guys looking bad. Man if you want a wagon with stick, then the Jetta wagon TDI just looks like a sweet package.
Can't wait for the Hybrid, waiting on that LA auto show.
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I bought the 2013 Accord EX-L V6 without Nav tonight. It is the Orchid Pearl color. I drove it out for $32K with no trade in. After driving the Accord and Camry numerous times I decided that the Camry EXL couldn't compete with the ride quality of the Accord. The Camry felt quicker and had good throttle response off idle and anywhere else. But Accord is strong and really wakes up in the midrange and pulls hard. Plus, the Accord looks really good to the eye from many angles. One thing that Honda needs to improve is the temperature gauge location. I can't see it due to the steering wheel. The curve of the steering wheel blocks the curved gauge reading C to H.
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talon95
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Brutus wrote:
2. Much harsher ride, made my TSX feel like it was floating on pillows.
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Just curious... in your report on the EX-L, you didn't complain about the ride, but you didn't go into details. What did you think of its ride quality compared to the TSX?
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Just adjust the position of the steering wheel to lower it a bit and there shouldn't be a problem to see the temp. display.
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talon95
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01Romanss wrote:
I bought the 2013 Accord EX-L V6 without Nav tonight. It is the Orchid Pearl color. I drove it out for $32K with no trade in. After driving the Accord and Camry numerous times I decided that the Camry EXL couldn't compete with the ride quality of the Accord. The Camry felt quicker and had good throttle response off idle and anywhere else. But Accord is strong and really wakes up in the midrange and pulls hard. Plus, the Accord looks really good to the eye from many angles. One thing that Honda needs to improve is the temperature gauge location. I can't see it due to the steering wheel. The curve of the steering wheel blocks the curved gauge reading C to H.
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Congrats on your purchase! We'd love to see some photos!
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Brutus
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talon95 wrote:
Brutus wrote:
2. Much harsher ride, made my TSX feel like it was floating on pillows.
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Just curious... in your report on the EX-L, you didn't complain about the ride, but you didn't go into details. What did you think of its ride quality compared to the TSX?
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Accord EX-L is softer then my TSX but still quite firm (in fact I am surprised for a family sedan selling 300K they actually tune it this firm, a good thing IMO, but surprising), but could be due to the tires, the TSX comes with lower profile sport type rubber. At the quotes on the EXL I am getting it really is a bang-for-your-buck car. Offer stick or at least sport CVT paddle shifter mode and swap out the rims for something a bit sportier and it is like a baby-TL.
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talon95
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Brutus wrote:
talon95 wrote:
Brutus wrote:
2. Much harsher ride, made my TSX feel like it was floating on pillows.
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Just curious... in your report on the EX-L, you didn't complain about the ride, but you didn't go into details. What did you think of its ride quality compared to the TSX?
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Accord EX-L is softer then my TSX but still quite firm (in fact I am surprised for a family sedan selling 300K they actually tune it this firm, a good thing IMO, but surprising), but could be due to the tires, the TSX comes with lower profile sport type rubber. At the quotes on the EXL I am getting it really is a bang-for-your-buck car. Offer stick or at least sport CVT paddle shifter mode and swap out the rims for something a bit sportier and it is like a baby-TL.
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Thanks for the update! Very interesting to hear how the new Accord fits into the hierarchy of its siblings.
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sas363
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I've had my 2013 Accord for about a month and while I like the car, the road noise and ride are disappointing. After all the talk about the new Accord being extremely quiet, I've found that it's about the same as my 2001 Maxima. I also had the driver's window garnish/sash replaced because it was defective, making it sound like my window was always cracked open a bit. The ride is VERY stiff - I feel like I'm bouncing in my seat on a fairly smooth highway. You're absolutely right when you say it's a harsh ride.
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talon95 wrote:
I'm surprised to read the complaints about wind noise. Certainly I've experienced road noise in my Accords (and the 2013 has definitely improved in that area, though as mentioned above, still not class leading), but I've never had problems with wind noise with any of my Accords (6,7,8 & 9 gens). Yesterday on a recently resurfaced highway at ~60 mph in my 2013 EX-L I4, the levels of noise of all types were so low that the car was almost eerily quiet. No wind noise to speak of. Naturally, as soon as I got on a road that wasn't smooth as glass, road noise resumed (at reduced levels when compared to my 2011 EX-L V6). But wind noise was still not a problem.
As the OP suggested, tires may have something to do with the road noise. My 2013 has Michelin Primacys like the quieter V6 model that he drove.
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My 09 is the loudest car I think I have ever owned. On certain pavement the tires drone loud enough it actually gives me a headache. Wind noise is just all over the place. My woman is constantly trying to close her window thinking it's open because she hears wind noise. The 2013 touring I drove was night and day better. There was still more noise then I find acceptable in a car in this day and age, but it was certainly better then my 09.
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sas363 wrote:
I've had my 2013 Accord for about a month and while I like the car, the road noise and ride are disappointing. After all the talk about the new Accord being extremely quiet, I've found that it's about the same as my 2001 Maxima. I also had the driver's window garnish/sash replaced because it was defective, making it sound like my window was always cracked open a bit. The ride is VERY stiff - I feel like I'm bouncing in my seat on a fairly smooth highway. You're absolutely right when you say it's a harsh ride.
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Why do you just say "2013 Accord?"
They are all different. Is it a "Sport" model or V6? EX? LX? Coupe?
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Neal wrote:
Thanks for the great review!
I had a chance to climb over a new Fusion yesterday (silver, 18s, ecoBoost, $26,640), and while it looks good, under closer scrutiny I found the fit and finish to be not so great - many slight "offs" of trim pieces, alignments and that cell phone aesthetic to the center-stack buttons is still there. The "sport" cloth looked kinda cheap and could use an "clothoBoost" of its own.
I'd go for the Accord (w/18s)...
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I was near Detroit this weekend, and I ran across a caravan of 5-6 Fusions with manufacturer plates, but no camo or tape. They were with traffic, and when I got next to them, there was quite a bit of diagnostic gear in the interior. I am sure Ford is up to something there, but not sure what.
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sas363 wrote:
I've had my 2013 Accord for about a month and while I like the car, the road noise and ride are disappointing. After all the talk about the new Accord being extremely quiet, I've found that it's about the same as my 2001 Maxima. I also had the driver's window garnish/sash replaced because it was defective, making it sound like my window was always cracked open a bit. The ride is VERY stiff - I feel like I'm bouncing in my seat on a fairly smooth highway. You're absolutely right when you say it's a harsh ride.
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all depends on what you are used to. Maximas are renowned for their soft ride and a softer ride helps lessen road noise too. The Accord rides better and is quieter than its predecessor. And comparable to or better than the Sonata, Camry and Altima. I'd say the Passat was more comfortable but I have only track driven it, not on typical roads. I'd rather a firm ride than say a roly poly Lexus that just makes me car sick. Should also add Knave only driven 18inch wheeled Accords - both Tourings and a sport. The 17inch versions should in theory be quieter and more comfortable still.
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A77 wrote:
sas363 wrote:
I've had my 2013 Accord for about a month and while I like the car, the road noise and ride are disappointing. After all the talk about the new Accord being extremely quiet, I've found that it's about the same as my 2001 Maxima. I also had the driver's window garnish/sash replaced because it was defective, making it sound like my window was always cracked open a bit. The ride is VERY stiff - I feel like I'm bouncing in my seat on a fairly smooth highway. You're absolutely right when you say it's a harsh ride.
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all depends on what you are used to. Maximas are renowned for their soft ride and a softer ride helps lessen road noise too. The Accord rides better and is quieter than its predecessor. And comparable to or better than the Sonata, Camry and Altima. I'd say the Passat was more comfortable but I have only track driven it, not on typical roads. I'd rather a firm ride than say a roly poly Lexus that just makes me car sick. Should also add Knave only driven 18inch wheeled Accords - both Tourings and a sport. The 17inch versions should in theory be quieter and more comfortable still.
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Maximas are more premium vehicles than Accords and probably are a bit heavier built with more sound insulation, but are not "renown for their soft ride."
Maybe a Buick.
There a mixed reports on the 2013 Accord, but it seems that most people are saying the "Sport" model is not quiet at all compared to the competing cars of 2013. Noisy 18 inch tires.
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sas363....Yes I was as wondering on the model you say is loud, it must be the Sport model, I personally would not buy the sport, buy an EX and throw on a lip spoiler, or better yet the EXL. As I have said before the Sport is simply too harsh IMO.
I borrowed the new 2013 EXL for an extended drive last night and thought it was quiet, I have no idea what people are complaining about. Certainly much more silent then my 2004 TSX. The ride was so smooth and it was funny that the TSX is more sporty yet the steering wheel in the new accord is so much nicer, nice and thick (thats what she said :-).
One thing I do not understand the thinking is that silly 0-30-60 Fuel economy indicator in the middle of the speedo, the whole 3d like speedo thing looks great but that little section makes little sense. Is it trying to say 60 MPG is the absolute most the car can get?...wouldn't it make more sense to do 0-100...0 being the most horrible % of FE where as 100%, you are being the most fuel efficient.
The green indicators showing when you are being more fuel efficient works perfectly fine, but that other indicator is useless. You already have the center fuel economy in the middle display and it works great. It really encourages you to beat your last result, and can be some fun. Have not measured the FE by hand, but based on a quick 30 minute drive to the movies (Argo 2 thumbs up) I was averaging 38.6 in mixed driving non-eco button on, not trying to grandma it. Damn impressive.
I am very impressed with this new Accord, it is amazing the peoples car has come this far, luxury for everyone. If there was a stick EXL I would be pumped.
Oh one thing I recall noticing, was the LED tailights last night once I left the car, the courtesy light was on the front but the tails were on as well just a cool looking futuristic look, will try to get a photo to show you guys, as I do not think it has been show before.
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The CR-V has that indicator as well, which isn't surprising seeing as the Accord has virtually identical gauges.
I hope that mpg gauge is optimistic, or that my hybrid one is pessimistic, because mine reads 31 in mixed driving all day.
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sas363 wrote:
I've had my 2013 Accord for about a month and while I like the car, the road noise and ride are disappointing. After all the talk about the new Accord being extremely quiet, I've found that it's about the same as my 2001 Maxima. I also had the driver's window garnish/sash replaced because it was defective, making it sound like my window was always cracked open a bit. The ride is VERY stiff - I feel like I'm bouncing in my seat on a fairly smooth highway. You're absolutely right when you say it's a harsh ride.
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What dealer replaced the sash garnish sas363? Mine will not do it under warranty. Thanks for your help
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A77
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all these differences between the sport and the others I just havent noticed - remember all our Tourings (which is all we otherwise have) have 18s as well. I will try to find time to check it out some more.
Plenty of internet references to the Maximas soft floaty ride, and I have heard the same from customers. The Accord is far softer than my TSX (which has 17s).
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A77 wrote:
sas363 wrote:
I've had my 2013 Accord for about a month and while I like the car, the road noise and ride are disappointing. After all the talk about the new Accord being extremely quiet, I've found that it's about the same as my 2001 Maxima. I also had the driver's window garnish/sash replaced because it was defective, making it sound like my window was always cracked open a bit. The ride is VERY stiff - I feel like I'm bouncing in my seat on a fairly smooth highway. You're absolutely right when you say it's a harsh ride.
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all depends on what you are used to. Maximas are renowned for their soft ride and a softer ride helps lessen road noise too. The Accord rides better and is quieter than its predecessor. And comparable to or better than the Sonata, Camry and Altima. I'd say the Passat was more comfortable but I have only track driven it, not on typical roads. I'd rather a firm ride than say a roly poly Lexus that just makes me car sick. Should also add Knave only driven 18inch wheeled Accords - both Tourings and a sport. The 17inch versions should in theory be quieter and more comfortable still.
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Knave should be "I have" - typo/stupid autocorrect.
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sas363
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My 2013 Accord is the EX-L v6 w/o navigation.
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sas363
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I'd rather not share the name of my dealer. Once they confirmed the problem they said it would be fixed and we never had to discuss the warranty -- I only had the car for a week.
I've driven four 2013 Accords including mine (three EX-L v6 and one EX-L CVT) and mine was the only one with the problem. On my car it was only on the driver's side. There's no way the dealer could explain away such an obvious difference between similar vehicles or from one side of my car to the other. Does your dealer agree there is a problem? If so then why wouldn't it be covered by the warranty? I'd give Honda a call directly or tell your dealer you want to exchange the car if they won't fix it. My mechanic's notes inidcated that after removing the original garnish/sash he could see it was warped/distorted. Defective parts are clearly a warranty issue.
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MGP999
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Why is the name of your dealer a secret unless it is a private party which I can understand or you work for them. It would be easier to talk to their service department about the problem since they actually did remedy the issue. Exchanging the car is not an option btw.
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TonyEX
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That's a beautiful clip for the Galaxy.... where I can one like that?
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