alan3885
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Hello fans I noticed that the JDM Honda Inspire also known in North America as the 9th Generation 2013+ Accord (North American/USDM) is no longer available or for sale in its home market (JDM) and is discontinued and can only be found it in the Auto Archive Section which is saddening and I understand the JDM Accord (Acura TSX) is considered big enough vehicle and Honda right now only has one sedan which is currently which again is the JDM Accord (Acura TSX) because now I am wondering and saddened about what does the future looks like and just thinking is this a trend because Japanese are really into smaller models and the trend for the North American Honda models like the Accord and Inspire (Acura RL) are becoming from domesticated it seems like because again is it now becoming like the new Civic loosing its Japanese roots, influence, quality, and loosing more design details (ok well besides adding hard textured plastic) because its no longer offered in the home market it looks like all we have know currently from the JDM side is small cars like the Fit, Insight, and CR-Z which I all like but it's getting harder to get and cut I can only worry and wonder what's going to happen to the next gen JDM Honda Accord and Next Generation Acura TSX if it even makes it here to North America I guess we will be lucky to see it make it here again :-)
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-archive/inspire/
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Fan Koni
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I guess you'll have to wait until a new Acura is exported to Japan.
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ClementZ
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Woah man.
Punctuation.
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vandtee11
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ClementZ wrote:
Woah man.
Punctuation.
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I pictured him talking like Six from Blossom, years ago. "unbiq4eiraoxiozoeureiupaiurp93ur93paur9eup9uea9gjaigpupa98ufpa..."
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"Hi, I'm Six..."
I don't think it's particularly surprising. If they killed the Civic to focus on Kei cars, the Inspire wasn't destined for long.
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F148VR
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alan3885 wrote:
Hello fans I noticed that the JDM Honda Inspire also known in North America as the 9th Generation 2013+ Accord (North American/USDM) is no longer available or for sale in its home market (JDM) and is discontinued and can only be found it in the Auto Archive Section which is saddening and I understand the JDM Accord (Acura TSX) is considered big enough vehicle and Honda right now only has one sedan which is currently which again is the JDM Accord (Acura TSX) because now I am wondering and saddened about what does the future looks like and just thinking is this a trend because Japanese are really into smaller models and the trend for the North American Honda models like the Accord and Inspire (Acura RL) are becoming from domesticated it seems like because again is it now becoming like the new Civic loosing its Japanese roots, influence, quality, and loosing more design details (ok well besides adding hard textured plastic) because its no longer offered in the home market it looks like all we have know currently from the JDM side is small cars like the Fit, Insight, and CR-Z which I all like but it's getting harder to get and cut I can only worry and wonder what's going to happen to the next gen JDM Honda Accord and Next Generation Acura TSX if it even makes it here to North America I guess we will be lucky to see it make it here again :-)
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-archive/inspire/
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The JDM Honda Inspire is NOT the 9th gen Accord, it is a 8th gen larger North America/China Accord for the domestic market. The 9th gen Accord is a global platform, which means that there will no longer be any differentiations between Accords sold at different parts of the world, which is what resulted in models like the Inspire and TSX. The whole point in making the 9th gen Accord smaller is so it can be sold in every market. When it comes to 9th gen Accord platform, the JDM = US.
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danielgr
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alan3885 wrote:
Hello fans I noticed that the JDM Honda Inspire also known in North America as the 9th Generation 2013+ Accord (North American/USDM) is no longer available or for sale in its home market (JDM) and is discontinued and can only be found it in the Auto Archive Section which is saddening and I understand the JDM Accord (Acura TSX) is considered big enough vehicle and Honda right now only has one sedan which is currently which again is the JDM Accord (Acura TSX) because now I am wondering and saddened about what does the future looks like and just thinking is this a trend because Japanese are really into smaller models and the trend for the North American Honda models like the Accord and Inspire (Acura RL) are becoming from domesticated it seems like because again is it now becoming like the new Civic loosing its Japanese roots, influence, quality, and loosing more design details (ok well besides adding hard textured plastic) because its no longer offered in the home market it looks like all we have know currently from the JDM side is small cars like the Fit, Insight, and CR-Z which I all like but it's getting harder to get and cut I can only worry and wonder what's going to happen to the next gen JDM Honda Accord and Next Generation Acura TSX if it even makes it here to North America I guess we will be lucky to see it make it here again :-)
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-archive/inspire/
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Thanks for noticing, that is pretty much interesting to me.
A few recent developments of notice in the whole Accord/TSX saga:
- Ito has announced that the Accord PlugIN Hybrid will go on sale in Japan next year. That means, the US Accord itself is heading to Japan (at least in hybrid form).
- Honda has announced the new "Accord" for Russia, except that this time around it's not the EuroAccord/TSX, but the American one. Traditionally Russia is considered to be "part of Europe" for Honda, but nothing has been said about the replacement of the Accord for the rest of Europe. That said, Honda had already been exporting some US models like the Pilot to Russia for a while, so I guess the Accords follow the same path now.
- Now Honda has withdrawn the Inspire from the Japanese line-up, for the first time in I don't know how many years. The Accord/TSX remains there though.
That begs to question:
- When the plug-in hybrid reaches Japan, will it be an "Accord" in Japan as well? Or will they bring back the Inspire name for the occassion?
Still waiting to see what happens with the current Euro Accord/TSX.
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RolledaNsx
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Ito already said there is only going to be just one Accord.
And there is no more Accord for Europe.
Honda treats Russia as its own market.
So if you read into that the TSX is gone!
The hints are that the ILX gains a few more specs
in the future to cover the gap. Like a 2.4L auto.
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danielgr
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Ito already said there is only going to be just one Accord.
And there is no more Accord for Europe.
Honda treats Russia as its own market.
So if you read into that the TSX is gone!
The hints are that the ILX gains a few more specs
in the future to cover the gap. Like a 2.4L auto.
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Now, that's pretty much surprising to me.
There has been much speculation on whatever happens with the Accord/TSX here and on the press, but I do not remember Ito having said there would be "just one Accord". Do you have any link or quote I could read?
Same way, I do not remember anywhere anyone said there would be no more Accord in Europe. Do you talk out of some "insider" info or is it just an assumption you are making here. Just in case, I'm not talking about Honda calling that car "Accord" or not, I've said it many times, I don't really care about names. My question is, are you sure Honda is going to:
- drop their current midsize entry in the European market??? (both sedan and wagon)
- drop the Spirior lineage in China
- have one less Acura (&wagon) in the line-up?
Again, keep in mind I'm not talking names, but number of cars in their respective line-ups.
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danielgr
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danielgr wrote:
RolledaNsx wrote:
Ito already said there is only going to be just one Accord.
And there is no more Accord for Europe.
Honda treats Russia as its own market.
So if you read into that the TSX is gone!
The hints are that the ILX gains a few more specs
in the future to cover the gap. Like a 2.4L auto.
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Now, that's pretty much surprising to me.
There has been much speculation on whatever happens with the Accord/TSX here and on the press, but I do not remember Ito having said there would be "just one Accord". Do you have any link or quote I could read?
Same way, I do not remember anywhere anyone said there would be no more Accord in Europe. Do you talk out of some "insider" info or is it just an assumption you are making here. Just in case, I'm not talking about Honda calling that car "Accord" or not, I've said it many times, I don't really care about names. My question is, are you sure Honda is going to:
- drop their current midsize entry in the European market??? (both sedan and wagon)
- drop the Spirior lineage in China
- have one less Acura (&wagon) in the line-up?
Again, keep in mind I'm not talking names, but number of cars in their respective line-ups.
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PS: I still hope you are wrong (or maybe you were simply talking names and I did not understood what you meant) and that Honda will either:
- drop an Acura sedan and make the other one a global model sold in both Europe and Japan (under whatever name)
- introduce something along the lines of the AC-X to fill the gap left by the Accord in Europe/Japan.
Hope I'm right because it'll be sad for my European compatriots to have a line-up topping on the Civic/CR-V couple...
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RolledaNsx
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Again no Accord for Europe at this moment per HONDA UK VP.
It looks like Honda getting out of the car import business in the near future. If they don't make it in the local market they will not sell it.And it looks like in a few years the Accord will be only built in America,Russia,China.
It looks like only the NSX will be imported around the World from America but there is insider talk that it might be sold like Ferraris...... very few sent to top market dealers but most will be custom ordered by the customer.So you get it the way you want it!!!!
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IntegraDC5R
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In other words the way cars are sold here in Japan. You have to order it and wait upwards of 3 months for delivery, but typically around 4~6 weeks.
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sadlerau
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For what it's worth the "American" style Accord is built in Thailand also - for export to some south east Asian countries, and Australia. The problem for me is that both the Accord and TSX [as the Euro Accord, which is built in Japan] are sold in Australia, both sell reasonably well, with I think the Euro selling more than the Accord - but I believe they sell to different demographics, and I can't see the sales staying where they are if there is only the Accord on the market? Hopefully I'm wrong, but Australia has always been too small a market for Honda to care very much.
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Restless
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Again no Accord for Europe at this moment per HONDA UK VP.
It looks like Honda getting out of the car import business in the near future. If they don't make it in the local market they will not sell it.And it looks like in a few years the Accord will be only built in America,Russia,China.
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This will damage EU-Honda image even more :(
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RolledaNsx
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Sadlerau
I never here things about the OZ market and it is never in our quarterly reports unless they put you in the Asian market reports and I don't pay to much time with that report.
Australia market still buys big cars like the US,China,Russia
so I would think you will still get the American Accord.
Honda still has the dream(there is plans) to make Acura global!
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RolledaNsx
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Once they build the factory in Russia and start building the Accord maybe Europe will get it too but thats a few years away.
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Restless
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Once they build the factory in Russia and start building the Accord maybe Europe will get it too but thats a few years away.
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But, Russia is outside EU, so there will be import taxes... whcih again will make Accord expensive (I think its like 20% taxes if car is built outside EU)
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danielgr
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Again no Accord for Europe at this moment per HONDA UK VP.
It looks like Honda getting out of the car import business in the near future. If they don't make it in the local market they will not sell it.And it looks like in a few years the Accord will be only built in America,Russia,China.
It looks like only the NSX will be imported around the World from America but there is insider talk that it might be sold like Ferraris...... very few sent to top market dealers but most will be custom ordered by the customer.So you get it the way you want it!!!!
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1) As per Honda economic regions Russia belongs to Europe. Moreover, the lineup is sure incorporating more and more US Honda's, but still receives all the European stuff (like the 5D Civic, or the European CR-V). The new Accord will mark the first time it gets something "different" to Europe (up to now there were only "additional" models such as the CrossTour or Pilot.
2) No new Euro Accord at this moment is pretty much obvious since it wouldn't make sense Russia got it first. If there was a replacement it would never come before next year, likely fall. My question was not about now, but about whether Honda will shrink the line-up or not when its time comes. If you have any info it'd be appreciated.
3) Honda has no factory in Russia and, though there were reports past year of Honda filing a proposal with the Government, there has still not be any official announcement. That means even if they were to build it, it wouldn't be online before a couple of years.
4) Honda already does have a factory in Turkey (also European region for Honda), where afaik they build the Civic sedan which is exported to Russia. Btw, many European makers are actually boosting Turkish production to supply the EU...
5) It is impossible for Honda to build every model in every market; that could be a trend for the major ones, but certainly not for the smaller ones like Europe or Russia (not to mention the dozens of other small markets around the world).
Again, it'd be appreciated if when you write something you made it clear whether it is "actual insider info" or "your own conclusions". Sometimes it gets difficult to read.
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Marck
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http://www.honda.co.ru/news/cars/2012/10/new_accord/
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Jeeves
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Hello to everyone from Russia. And sorry for my English. A few words about Accord. Yes, we had a premiere a few days ago. Hpnda will bring here only sedans. 2.4 and 3.5. The only big difference we can see now is 5AT transmission instead of CVT.
Accord fans are a lit bit confused. Because everyone here knows, that american and european cars are different.
And no prices yet. 8th gen Accord is really expensive here. Just the same situation as in US, when Honda has no profits on exporting from Japan.
About factories. Honda sold about 90 000 cars in Russia in 2008. It had plans to present Acura brand. But it's all about that crisis. In 2009 everything crashed. And now they sell only about 20 000 cars per year. Just a few days ago there was a message about new negotiations on buliding a plant. But they say, they will do that only if the sales level will reach 2008 mark.
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danielgr
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Jeeves wrote:
Hello to everyone from Russia. And sorry for my English. A few words about Accord. Yes, we had a premiere a few days ago. Hpnda will bring here only sedans. 2.4 and 3.5. The only big difference we can see now is 5AT transmission instead of CVT.
Accord fans are a lit bit confused. Because everyone here knows, that american and european cars are different.
And no prices yet. 8th gen Accord is really expensive here. Just the same situation as in US, when Honda has no profits on exporting from Japan.
About factories. Honda sold about 90 000 cars in Russia in 2008. It had plans to present Acura brand. But it's all about that crisis. In 2009 everything crashed. And now they sell only about 20 000 cars per year. Just a few days ago there was a message about new negotiations on buliding a plant. But they say, they will do that only if the sales level will reach 2008 mark.
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I'm curious about that 5AT quote. I've seen it quoted in several russian and foreign websites, but from what I could read from Internet automated translation (yes, I know what is worth...) it seems to me that Honda's own website says 6AT and 6MT for the i4.
Can you read Russian? If yes, can you confirm it looking to the Russian Honda website? (here). The same 6AT/6MT combo seems to be stated here, despite some other sites saying 5AT (like this one). Would be nice if you could shade a bit of light on this matter by reading Honda's official info.
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Jeeves
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Yes, i also was confused with a statement on our official website. They write there only AT for 2.4. But in all other sources it is said that Honda Motor Rus had hard talks with Major company about installing 5AT istead of CVT. It is strange of course. Because they will sell 10 or 20 000 Accords per year. But this is what they say. At least now.
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danielgr
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Jeeves wrote:
Yes, i also was confused with a statement on our official website. They write there only AT for 2.4. But in all other sources it is said that Honda Motor Rus had hard talks with Major company about installing 5AT istead of CVT. It is strange of course. Because they will sell 10 or 20 000 Accords per year. But this is what they say. At least now.
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Thanks, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I don't think the US is going to make those cars anyway, since it'd be crazy for the US to manufacture an engine-trany combo that won't be available over there. Obviously, who knows, but maybe the Russian Accord is going to be sourced from somewhere in Asia (where Honda is unlikely to manufacture/sell the CVT).
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RolledaNsx
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danielgr
I now know why almost everybody on vtec don't like you!
So I had to spend my time to find info online to back up my
insider info....
And you wonder why people stop posting info?
read:
www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/09/europe-wont-get-next-generation-honda-accord
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superchg2
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danielgr sometimes reminds me of the late Rodney Dangerfield.
He just don't get no respect.
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Restless
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danielgr wrote:
If yes, can you confirm it looking to the Russian Honda website? (here). The same 6AT/6MT combo seems to be stated here, despite some other sites saying 5AT (like this one). Would be nice if you could shade a bit of light on this matter by reading Honda's official info.
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But on zr.ru, which is maybe The best russian online/offline magazine, 5AT was explicitly stated.
Also both there and on Honda site, the V6 is quoted to be using "old-style" VCM - working with 3/4/6 cyl , instead of "new style" 4/6 only.
Also to note, the general reaction to 9th gen Accord is not exactly positive. Obviously its going to be more "Camry-like", very big, very american exterior...
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superchg2
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Restless wrote:
Also both there and on Honda site, the V6 is quoted to be using "old-style" VCM - working with 3/4/6 cyl , instead of "new style" 4/6 only.
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From Honda Press kit for 2013 Accord
"On V-6 models
with an automatic transmission, the engine also features a new generation of Variable Cylinder
Management (VCM) variable displacement technology and a special SOHC i-VTEC valvetrain.
Depending on driving conditions, the engine operates on three or all six cylinders to help boost
fuel efficiency or power as needed."
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danielgr
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Restless wrote:
danielgr wrote:
If yes, can you confirm it looking to the Russian Honda website? (here). The same 6AT/6MT combo seems to be stated here, despite some other sites saying 5AT (like this one). Would be nice if you could shade a bit of light on this matter by reading Honda's official info.
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But on zr.ru, which is maybe The best russian online/offline magazine, 5AT was explicitly stated.
Also both there and on Honda site, the V6 is quoted to be using "old-style" VCM - working with 3/4/6 cyl , instead of "new style" 4/6 only.
Also to note, the general reaction to 9th gen Accord is not exactly positive. Obviously its going to be more "Camry-like", very big, very american exterior...
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Using google translator I got what you said "no number of gears specified". That seems weird to me, so I tried Microsoft's, which got an english version saying 6 speed MT or AT. Obviously, I have no clue of which was right. What you said comes from Russian language knowledge or Google?
PS1: I don't know Russian magazines, but elsewhere in the world the best/most popular mags are full of crap and factual mistakes. Nowadays most important thing is getting things up quickly, not necesarily accurately.
PS2: I said it from day one, there is no way the US Accord could be successful in Europe, tastes are simply too different and I haven't seen many people over there that'd like to get the new Accord despite it's overall pretty possitive welcome in the US. As for Russia, I'm not an expert, but as much as I understand people coming from the Euro Accord/TSX and surrounded by European models (not necesarily german) might be underwhelmed by the clasicism of the new Accord, I still have the feeling it'll do well with traditional sedan buyers over there as well. We will see.
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danielgr
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RolledaNsx wrote:
danielgr
I now know why almost everybody on vtec don't like you!
So I had to spend my time to find info online to back up my
insider info....
And you wonder why people stop posting info?
read:
www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/09/europe-wont-get-next-generation-honda-accord
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2) It is indeed annoying that you spend your time going around my questions without answering them, only to end up with a personal attack.
3) You don't need to lose your time answering me if you don't want to, nor to "search the web" to back up any information. I asked politely, for you to state your source clearly. As far as I'm concerned it's pretty much enough if you said: "I can't say how or why, but trust me on this one".
I asked for a link on Ito's words (your first post), in case you had it, nor for the (to me) useless European exec words.
Then I find it funny that your "suposedly insider info" ends up being word by word what anyone can find on "the truth about cars" (certainly my online reference to gather knowledge about "the truth about cars", though their JustAuto source is more credible). Again, it doesn't answer my question. That Honda executive is simply being polite with an answer that doesn't go beyond early 2013, and that we all knew already. My question was about what happens next, and it is pretty easy to say either "I don't know" or "I know but can't tell you how", or even "I believe". Just make it clear when you talk and it'll be fine with me.
4) I'm no policeman here, and tend to ask things only once. It is enough to ignore my questions not for me to come back. If you pretend to have answered when you have not, then obviously I'll keep the "conversation".
5) Personally, I don't really believe you are much of an insider if anything at all. And personally, would you really have access to such "privileged information" I wouldn't have more respect for you. For people that need hits on websites having an "insider" with juicy bits might be very nice, but personally I don't have much to like from someone that is either betraying his employer or his business partner. As I said though, I don't come here to become everyone's friend. What matters to me regarding you is :
- fully understanding the meaning of what you say (not always an easy task).
- that I (and those reading) get a clear idea of how much trust can be put into what you write.
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Fan Koni
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You guys a missing a major point.
The fuel is not good enough for Honda to sell the new drivetrain combos in Russia.
The old 5AT 2.4 is still very alive in Hondas factories (CRV??) so there is no reason to suspect Honda not building them into the new accords.
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BachelorFrog
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> talks about personal attacks on him
> attacks anyway
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> eh! does not compute .../rolleyes/
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