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Btw, as a comparison, my wife's new car has a door panel that is SOLID. If use that as comparison the Civic's is like a pillow.... but of course her car is also rock hard plastic and feels like it is made of a laser printer plastic, never mind tupperware. It is truly ZERO flex. But that doesn't mean I want to spend a lot of time in that car.. :/
Ideally, if the panel is that solid, but very well padded it would be nice though.
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FiSH-Chan wrote:
probably many people don't care
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owequitit
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Farage1 wrote:
owequitit wrote:
Farage1 wrote:
DCR wrote:
I didn't even bother.
If in some way pasting in some "matter of fact" link like that educated us all about this major update to the 9th Gen performance monster, it still cannot solve the shit interior, low redline, and styling.
I will see you in 2017.
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oh please, you're acting like the 8thgen interior is a bentley and the 9th is so far off. yea they cheaped out in some areas like the padding on the armrests and vent rollers, but overall its a solid interior. whats wrong with the styling? the front is very similar to the 8th and the back is purely subjective. you just love to find any way possible to talk shit. im done arguing with you guys. ill go enjoy my "rough" k24 and will dream that maybe one day, i can have a car with an interior as amazing as the 8thgen.
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Actually, there are a LOT of significant differences in quality.
1) Seat fabric looks AND feels cheaper.
2) The tops of the door panels on the new car are hard, the panels flex more when pushed, there isn't the fabric covering the area between the top half of the panel and the arm rest, the arm rest is less padded and is also covered in lower quality material.
3) The headliner is made of less quality fabric and feels chintzier to the touch as well as looking chintzier to the eye.
3) The center console feels cheaper, and the lack of deep storage cubbies makes it less useable. The interior of the console bin is smaller, and the armrest is not covered in the same nice material as the 8th gen. The Aux port cover just feels cheap, and it looks like an afterthought. The CC don't really lose much to the 8th gen, but then they don't gain anything either. The only NICE thing I can say for the center console is that the lid feels heavily damped.
4) Overall, the dash looks and feels more like hard plastic. Perhaps it is the graining, but it feels like the material is thinner and less durable.
5) Not only are the seats covered in wholly inferior materials, but they are less supportive than the 8th gen's with less bolstering for aggressive driving.
Overall, the new Civic feels like a cheap car, and the styling is not as good as it was in the 8th gen interior. It just doesn't work.
Now, those are just the interior things, and NOT the driving dynamics, which IMO also lose some significant ground to the old car. The only tactile places Honda made progress IMO, are in the shape of the shift knob, and the thickness and leather on the steering wheel rim. Everything else felt worse to me.
P.S. My friend who isn't even a Honda owner agreed.
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1) I prefer the seat fabric in the 9th. It looks really nice and feels great. Seems to be more resistant to dirt and spills.
2)Yes, top of the door panels are not semi-soft like the 8th was. However, the door panels do not move when you open/close the window like the 8th. Armrest padding sucks in the 9thgen. My elbows actually start to hurt after a long drive.
3)headliner doesn't bother me at all. seems similar to headliners of hondas I have owned in the past. Of course nowhere as nice as the black headliner in my dads TSX special edition.
4)Although the center console may look cheap, the quality of the all the buttons is very good. Nice feel when you push them and overrall, all the moving parts in the interior have a nice solid feel. Agree that there is less storage space then 8th but its enough for me.
5)I fit perfectly into the seat and it hugs my back just right. I really love the seats in the 9th.
As for deciding what works and what doesn't, it works so well for me and plenty of other 9thgen owners. I suggest you live with one before making such opinionated statements.
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The 8th gen panels don't flex when I push on them... They do move slight when the window goes up, but I know which one is more noticable, and I roll my windows down all the time...
The rest of the stuff you are just trying to explain away. The fact of the matter is that the Alcantara feels and looks more quality than the crap they have in the 9th gen. Take it as you will, but there is a reason the 9th gen Si needs a ton of cash on the hood to move. Explain it away all you want, the results speak for themselves, and there really is nothing less to argue. What you prefer aside, it is QUITE clear that the majority of enthusiasts disagree.
As for justifying the interior with it is "just a Civic." Bullshit. I don't have to get into a Focus and say "but it is just a Focus" because it has a genuinely nice interior that feels WORLDS better than the Civic. So if the Civic is supposed to be better than the Focus, then why doesn't the Focus have to make the same excuse? Better yet, why didn't older Honda's have to make the excuse? It is a rationalization of Honda's bad behavior and nothing else.
P.S. the fact that the best you can come up with is that the 8th gen's door panels move at the top when the window rolls up, pretty much proves my point, because I have plastic quality, headliner quality, fabric quality, tactile quality, carpet quality, and on and on and on. You have that the door panels move when the window rolls up, which I counter with your door panels flex when I push on them. The bottom line is that the 8th gen didn't make me feel sad that I couldn't get an RSX, whereas the 9th gen is embarrassing from a company that built their reputation on class leading quality.
The Civic is a sham, and deny it all you want, even Honda has admitted it.
P.S. I spent enough time driving one that I have absolutely ZERO desire to own one. Simple as that. I don't have to live with it for any length of time to know that it is a cheap piece of crap that represents (hopefully) the absolute worst product Honda has to offer. Also, like I said, we haven't even talked about the driving experience yet...
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garoto628
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owequitit wrote:
Farage1 wrote:
owequitit wrote:
Farage1 wrote:
DCR wrote:
I didn't even bother.
If in some way pasting in some "matter of fact" link like that educated us all about this major update to the 9th Gen performance monster, it still cannot solve the shit interior, low redline, and styling.
I will see you in 2017.
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oh please, you're acting like the 8thgen interior is a bentley and the 9th is so far off. yea they cheaped out in some areas like the padding on the armrests and vent rollers, but overall its a solid interior. whats wrong with the styling? the front is very similar to the 8th and the back is purely subjective. you just love to find any way possible to talk shit. im done arguing with you guys. ill go enjoy my "rough" k24 and will dream that maybe one day, i can have a car with an interior as amazing as the 8thgen.
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Actually, there are a LOT of significant differences in quality.
1) Seat fabric looks AND feels cheaper.
2) The tops of the door panels on the new car are hard, the panels flex more when pushed, there isn't the fabric covering the area between the top half of the panel and the arm rest, the arm rest is less padded and is also covered in lower quality material.
3) The headliner is made of less quality fabric and feels chintzier to the touch as well as looking chintzier to the eye.
3) The center console feels cheaper, and the lack of deep storage cubbies makes it less useable. The interior of the console bin is smaller, and the armrest is not covered in the same nice material as the 8th gen. The Aux port cover just feels cheap, and it looks like an afterthought. The CC don't really lose much to the 8th gen, but then they don't gain anything either. The only NICE thing I can say for the center console is that the lid feels heavily damped.
4) Overall, the dash looks and feels more like hard plastic. Perhaps it is the graining, but it feels like the material is thinner and less durable.
5) Not only are the seats covered in wholly inferior materials, but they are less supportive than the 8th gen's with less bolstering for aggressive driving.
Overall, the new Civic feels like a cheap car, and the styling is not as good as it was in the 8th gen interior. It just doesn't work.
Now, those are just the interior things, and NOT the driving dynamics, which IMO also lose some significant ground to the old car. The only tactile places Honda made progress IMO, are in the shape of the shift knob, and the thickness and leather on the steering wheel rim. Everything else felt worse to me.
P.S. My friend who isn't even a Honda owner agreed.
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1) I prefer the seat fabric in the 9th. It looks really nice and feels great. Seems to be more resistant to dirt and spills.
2)Yes, top of the door panels are not semi-soft like the 8th was. However, the door panels do not move when you open/close the window like the 8th. Armrest padding sucks in the 9thgen. My elbows actually start to hurt after a long drive.
3)headliner doesn't bother me at all. seems similar to headliners of hondas I have owned in the past. Of course nowhere as nice as the black headliner in my dads TSX special edition.
4)Although the center console may look cheap, the quality of the all the buttons is very good. Nice feel when you push them and overrall, all the moving parts in the interior have a nice solid feel. Agree that there is less storage space then 8th but its enough for me.
5)I fit perfectly into the seat and it hugs my back just right. I really love the seats in the 9th.
As for deciding what works and what doesn't, it works so well for me and plenty of other 9thgen owners. I suggest you live with one before making such opinionated statements.
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The 8th gen panels don't flex when I push on them... They do move slight when the window goes up, but I know which one is more noticable, and I roll my windows down all the time...
The rest of the stuff you are just trying to explain away. The fact of the matter is that the Alcantara feels and looks more quality than the crap they have in the 9th gen. Take it as you will, but there is a reason the 9th gen Si needs a ton of cash on the hood to move. Explain it away all you want, the results speak for themselves, and there really is nothing less to argue. What you prefer aside, it is QUITE clear that the majority of enthusiasts disagree.
As for justifying the interior with it is "just a Civic." Bullshit. I don't have to get into a Focus and say "but it is just a Focus" because it has a genuinely nice interior that feels WORLDS better than the Civic. So if the Civic is supposed to be better than the Focus, then why doesn't the Focus have to make the same excuse? Better yet, why didn't older Honda's have to make the excuse? It is a rationalization of Honda's bad behavior and nothing else.
P.S. the fact that the best you can come up with is that the 8th gen's door panels move at the top when the window rolls up, pretty much proves my point, because I have plastic quality, headliner quality, fabric quality, tactile quality, carpet quality, and on and on and on. You have that the door panels move when the window rolls up, which I counter with your door panels flex when I push on them. The bottom line is that the 8th gen didn't make me feel sad that I couldn't get an RSX, whereas the 9th gen is embarrassing from a company that built their reputation on class leading quality.
The Civic is a sham, and deny it all you want, even Honda has admitted it.
P.S. I spent enough time driving one that I have absolutely ZERO desire to own one. Simple as that. I don't have to live with it for any length of time to know that it is a cheap piece of crap that represents (hopefully) the absolute worst product Honda has to offer. Also, like I said, we haven't even talked about the driving experience yet...
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I agree with most of what owequitit mentioned; I might have chosen different words though, lol. I do not think it is the worst car honda has to offer though, to me, considering the faults across the civic lineup, the Si is the better one of the pack.
Although I am no longer in the market for a Honda Civic Si, I am looking forward to what they have to offer in 2017.
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We've sold probably more 9gen Sis than 8gen, but they've been incentivised right from the get go. No one is trading in old sis for new ones. But buyers seem happy.
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Plus it sounds like Honda finally gave Canada a break on sticker price for the Civic, putting it more in line with the US price and offering navi standard in the Si.
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owequitit
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garoto628 wrote:
owequitit wrote:
Farage1 wrote:
owequitit wrote:
Farage1 wrote:
DCR wrote:
I didn't even bother.
If in some way pasting in some "matter of fact" link like that educated us all about this major update to the 9th Gen performance monster, it still cannot solve the shit interior, low redline, and styling.
I will see you in 2017.
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oh please, you're acting like the 8thgen interior is a bentley and the 9th is so far off. yea they cheaped out in some areas like the padding on the armrests and vent rollers, but overall its a solid interior. whats wrong with the styling? the front is very similar to the 8th and the back is purely subjective. you just love to find any way possible to talk shit. im done arguing with you guys. ill go enjoy my "rough" k24 and will dream that maybe one day, i can have a car with an interior as amazing as the 8thgen.
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Actually, there are a LOT of significant differences in quality.
1) Seat fabric looks AND feels cheaper.
2) The tops of the door panels on the new car are hard, the panels flex more when pushed, there isn't the fabric covering the area between the top half of the panel and the arm rest, the arm rest is less padded and is also covered in lower quality material.
3) The headliner is made of less quality fabric and feels chintzier to the touch as well as looking chintzier to the eye.
3) The center console feels cheaper, and the lack of deep storage cubbies makes it less useable. The interior of the console bin is smaller, and the armrest is not covered in the same nice material as the 8th gen. The Aux port cover just feels cheap, and it looks like an afterthought. The CC don't really lose much to the 8th gen, but then they don't gain anything either. The only NICE thing I can say for the center console is that the lid feels heavily damped.
4) Overall, the dash looks and feels more like hard plastic. Perhaps it is the graining, but it feels like the material is thinner and less durable.
5) Not only are the seats covered in wholly inferior materials, but they are less supportive than the 8th gen's with less bolstering for aggressive driving.
Overall, the new Civic feels like a cheap car, and the styling is not as good as it was in the 8th gen interior. It just doesn't work.
Now, those are just the interior things, and NOT the driving dynamics, which IMO also lose some significant ground to the old car. The only tactile places Honda made progress IMO, are in the shape of the shift knob, and the thickness and leather on the steering wheel rim. Everything else felt worse to me.
P.S. My friend who isn't even a Honda owner agreed.
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1) I prefer the seat fabric in the 9th. It looks really nice and feels great. Seems to be more resistant to dirt and spills.
2)Yes, top of the door panels are not semi-soft like the 8th was. However, the door panels do not move when you open/close the window like the 8th. Armrest padding sucks in the 9thgen. My elbows actually start to hurt after a long drive.
3)headliner doesn't bother me at all. seems similar to headliners of hondas I have owned in the past. Of course nowhere as nice as the black headliner in my dads TSX special edition.
4)Although the center console may look cheap, the quality of the all the buttons is very good. Nice feel when you push them and overrall, all the moving parts in the interior have a nice solid feel. Agree that there is less storage space then 8th but its enough for me.
5)I fit perfectly into the seat and it hugs my back just right. I really love the seats in the 9th.
As for deciding what works and what doesn't, it works so well for me and plenty of other 9thgen owners. I suggest you live with one before making such opinionated statements.
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The 8th gen panels don't flex when I push on them... They do move slight when the window goes up, but I know which one is more noticable, and I roll my windows down all the time...
The rest of the stuff you are just trying to explain away. The fact of the matter is that the Alcantara feels and looks more quality than the crap they have in the 9th gen. Take it as you will, but there is a reason the 9th gen Si needs a ton of cash on the hood to move. Explain it away all you want, the results speak for themselves, and there really is nothing less to argue. What you prefer aside, it is QUITE clear that the majority of enthusiasts disagree.
As for justifying the interior with it is "just a Civic." Bullshit. I don't have to get into a Focus and say "but it is just a Focus" because it has a genuinely nice interior that feels WORLDS better than the Civic. So if the Civic is supposed to be better than the Focus, then why doesn't the Focus have to make the same excuse? Better yet, why didn't older Honda's have to make the excuse? It is a rationalization of Honda's bad behavior and nothing else.
P.S. the fact that the best you can come up with is that the 8th gen's door panels move at the top when the window rolls up, pretty much proves my point, because I have plastic quality, headliner quality, fabric quality, tactile quality, carpet quality, and on and on and on. You have that the door panels move when the window rolls up, which I counter with your door panels flex when I push on them. The bottom line is that the 8th gen didn't make me feel sad that I couldn't get an RSX, whereas the 9th gen is embarrassing from a company that built their reputation on class leading quality.
The Civic is a sham, and deny it all you want, even Honda has admitted it.
P.S. I spent enough time driving one that I have absolutely ZERO desire to own one. Simple as that. I don't have to live with it for any length of time to know that it is a cheap piece of crap that represents (hopefully) the absolute worst product Honda has to offer. Also, like I said, we haven't even talked about the driving experience yet...
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I agree with most of what owequitit mentioned; I might have chosen different words though, lol. I do not think it is the worst car honda has to offer though, to me, considering the faults across the civic lineup, the Si is the better one of the pack.
Although I am no longer in the market for a Honda Civic Si, I am looking forward to what they have to offer in 2017.
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A turd with some extra fancy corn in it is still a turd. Thankfully, Honda seems to be recognizing they F'ed up, unlike the apologists. I agree that the Si is the nicest of the lot, but unfortunately, that isn't saying much.
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I've seen a grand total of 2 9th gen Si's on the road and the dealer near me has a few sitting on the lot. They're being incentivized as well. Never did I ever see that many 8th gens sitting on a dealer lot waiting to be moved though. They were often sold the minute they hit the ground.
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TonyEX
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Chris David wrote:
Yes, they should should have put flappy paddles in the 2.4 ILX (and navi), but an Si with a slush box or CVT auto wouldn't be an Si.
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Time changes, you know?
My '76 CVCC had a manual choke. Do you want to go back to that?
IMHO, a Honda is not a Honda unless it has a manual choke, a CVCC head and comes in yellow.
There, you all Johnny Come Lately's have no real understanding of what is Honda.
QED.
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330R
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TonyE wrote:
Time changes, you know?
My '76 CVCC had a manual choke. Do you want to go back to that?
IMHO, a Honda is not a Honda unless it has a manual choke, a CVCC head and comes in yellow.
There, you all Johnny Come Lately's have no real understanding of what is Honda.
QED.
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Then why are you driving a '12 Si and not a '76 CVCC?
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TonyEX
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330R wrote:
TonyE wrote:
Time changes, you know?
My '76 CVCC had a manual choke. Do you want to go back to that?
IMHO, a Honda is not a Honda unless it has a manual choke, a CVCC head and comes in yellow.
There, you all Johnny Come Lately's have no real understanding of what is Honda.
QED.
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Then why are you driving a '12 Si and not a '76 CVCC?
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Blown head gasket.
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owequitit
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TonyE wrote:
Chris David wrote:
Yes, they should should have put flappy paddles in the 2.4 ILX (and navi), but an Si with a slush box or CVT auto wouldn't be an Si.
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Time changes, you know?
My '76 CVCC had a manual choke. Do you want to go back to that?
IMHO, a Honda is not a Honda unless it has a manual choke, a CVCC head and comes in yellow.
There, you all Johnny Come Lately's have no real understanding of what is Honda.
QED.
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B.S Tony. Honda's first car was a 10,000RPM RWD 2 seat convertible with an honest to God motorcycle engine in it. That is as clear a bloodline initiator as anything I would think...
And I actually have driven and worked on those old Hondas you try to throw out as though you are the only one that has experience with them.
The difference between the CVCC and the first Si (and really every Si since, as well as Prelude, Integra, NSX, RSX, and special performance edition such and such) is that the CVCC wasn't pretending to be sporty. The CVCC was akin to the Civic LX. It was meant to be efficient, reliable and practical. It did that and it did it well, just like a Civic LX does today.
That doesn't mean that every single Honda was built without sporting intent, nor does it excuse Honda's slap in the face to enthusiasts and its own history/heritage by putting a boring family sedan engine into the only "sporty" car they had left. The K24Z7 is probably great in the ILX (even though the package overall is disappointing), but it does NOT belong in an Si. The engine coupled with the super cheap interior (even compared to the 8th gen, which FYI doesn't stand as my benchmark for Honda interior quality) just removed nearly all of what made the Si special.
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rev2damoon wrote:
I've seen a grand total of 2 9th gen Si's on the road and the dealer near me has a few sitting on the lot. They're being incentivized as well. Never did I ever see that many 8th gens sitting on a dealer lot waiting to be moved though. They were often sold the minute they hit the ground.
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I have actually seen quite a few around here, but I know the dealer is giving huge discounts and they are being driven mostly by 30 something women it seems.
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superchg2
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Farage1, if you are out there reading this, please do not take it personally. We are sure you love your 9G Si, and we wouldn't want it any other way.
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garoto628
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owequitit wrote:
rev2damoon wrote:
I've seen a grand total of 2 9th gen Si's on the road and the dealer near me has a few sitting on the lot. They're being incentivized as well. Never did I ever see that many 8th gens sitting on a dealer lot waiting to be moved though. They were often sold the minute they hit the ground.
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I have actually seen quite a few around here, but I know the dealer is giving huge discounts and they are being driven mostly by 30 something women it seems.
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Yup, that's kind of what I have seen, about 6 Si's if my memory serves me right. With two exceptions, the first was a gentleman in his mid 40's+. The second was when I saw a skinny kid with spiky hair and a hat bigger than his head at a gas station, he added a fart-can larger tan the bumper cutout.
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I should probably add that the spiky hair became visible when he repositioned his hat. Do not ask me how to wear a hat and keep your hair spiky at the same time, no clue on how it happens, or why you would do both.
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rev2damoon
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garoto628 wrote:
owequitit wrote:
rev2damoon wrote:
I've seen a grand total of 2 9th gen Si's on the road and the dealer near me has a few sitting on the lot. They're being incentivized as well. Never did I ever see that many 8th gens sitting on a dealer lot waiting to be moved though. They were often sold the minute they hit the ground.
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I have actually seen quite a few around here, but I know the dealer is giving huge discounts and they are being driven mostly by 30 something women it seems.
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Yup, that's kind of what I have seen, about 6 Si's if my memory serves me right. With two exceptions, the first was a gentleman in his mid 40's+. The second was when I saw a skinny kid with spiky hair and a hat bigger than his head at a gas station, he added a fart-can larger tan the bumper cutout.
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Wow. I've seen more on the dealer lot than on the street here. Of the two I've seen, one was driven by a middle aged gentleman. Didn't see the driver of the second.
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JeffX
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rev2damoon wrote:
garoto628 wrote:
owequitit wrote:
rev2damoon wrote:
I've seen a grand total of 2 9th gen Si's on the road and the dealer near me has a few sitting on the lot. They're being incentivized as well. Never did I ever see that many 8th gens sitting on a dealer lot waiting to be moved though. They were often sold the minute they hit the ground.
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I have actually seen quite a few around here, but I know the dealer is giving huge discounts and they are being driven mostly by 30 something women it seems.
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Yup, that's kind of what I have seen, about 6 Si's if my memory serves me right. With two exceptions, the first was a gentleman in his mid 40's+. The second was when I saw a skinny kid with spiky hair and a hat bigger than his head at a gas station, he added a fart-can larger tan the bumper cutout.
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Wow. I've seen more on the dealer lot than on the street here. Of the two I've seen, one was driven by a middle aged gentleman. Didn't see the driver of the second.
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re: 9th gen Civic Si sightings - I have spotted maybe 4 or 5 total on the roads since their introduction, oddly all of them have been sedans. I haven't yet seen a single 9th gen Si coupe in the wild.
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I'm 49 year's old. Owned the first Si in 86, owned the Gen 7 since 2003 and now the proud owner of the 9th gen. Each one has been better than the last. I have fun with the cars, enjoy the sportiness of the cars, enjoy Honda's tech. Most of all I remember that it is a Honda, not a Ferrari. It's economical and fun. I think most of you are demanding a Ferrari from a company that makes Honda's.
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Jeff wrote:
rev2damoon wrote:
garoto628 wrote:
owequitit wrote:
rev2damoon wrote:
I've seen a grand total of 2 9th gen Si's on the road and the dealer near me has a few sitting on the lot. They're being incentivized as well. Never did I ever see that many 8th gens sitting on a dealer lot waiting to be moved though. They were often sold the minute they hit the ground.
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I have actually seen quite a few around here, but I know the dealer is giving huge discounts and they are being driven mostly by 30 something women it seems.
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Yup, that's kind of what I have seen, about 6 Si's if my memory serves me right. With two exceptions, the first was a gentleman in his mid 40's+. The second was when I saw a skinny kid with spiky hair and a hat bigger than his head at a gas station, he added a fart-can larger tan the bumper cutout.
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Wow. I've seen more on the dealer lot than on the street here. Of the two I've seen, one was driven by a middle aged gentleman. Didn't see the driver of the second.
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re: 9th gen Civic Si sightings - I have spotted maybe 4 or 5 total on the roads since their introduction, oddly all of them have been sedans. I haven't yet seen a single 9th gen Si coupe in the wild.
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The front clip on the 9 gen coupe just looks wierd to me. Sedan is better looking overall. Maybe the 2013 will resolve this.
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^ I expect the sedan front end to become more "coupe-like."
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TonyEX
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Neal wrote:
^ I expect the sedan front end to become more "coupe-like."
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Well, I'm not worried... if the '13 Si sedan looks too weird then we'll pick up a '13 Accord Coupe V6 6MT and I'll have fun watching all the kids in their 2 liter Si's trying to keep up with me off the light.
Imagine what that'd do to pesky pedestrians who decide to jaywalk right in front of me. I'll stop alright, but when I get going I might really 'oops, sorry' do so a bit too enthusiastically.
Only that today's kids are into automatics, neon undercarriage lights and Blue/Green/Red dentures.. err.. teeth?
Heck, just about anyone could slap a Type Sticker on an Odyssey and wup them, huh? Not that I'd know.... ;~)
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TonyE wrote:
Imagine what that'd do to pesky pedestrians who decide to jaywalk right in front of me.
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rvittori wrote:
I think most of you are demanding a Ferrari from a company that makes Honda's.
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I really enjoy these statements.
Care to elaborate on this? I see quite a few people who are demanding that Honda simply builds the shit they used to build, as recent as 2011. Lots of cars are "economical and fun", and I am not sure that ever entered the argument.
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Jeff wrote:
re: 9th gen Civic Si sightings - I have spotted maybe 4 or 5 total on the roads since their introduction, oddly all of them have been sedans. I haven't yet seen a single 9th gen Si coupe in the wild.
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I've seen mostly Si coupes in my area, a stretch from Sactown to the Bay Area (so I am seeing Cali's wonderful gas prices... it doesn't hurt the pumps in our area are always 2-3 gallons high on their estimate; our area pays at least 10-15 cents higher than the "state average" the news always likes to BS about).
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rvittori wrote:
I'm 49 year's old. Owned the first Si in 86, owned the Gen 7 since 2003 and now the proud owner of the 9th gen. Each one has been better than the last. I have fun with the cars, enjoy the sportiness of the cars, enjoy Honda's tech. Most of all I remember that it is a Honda, not a Ferrari. It's economical and fun. I think most of you are demanding a Ferrari from a company that makes Honda's.
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"Been Better than the last" doesn't add much to the argument considering you've skipped arguably the best 3 models that have ever been created... not to mention the ~17 & ~9 year gaps...
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jaykit
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I've been on here for a long time and haven't posted much at all but I have to chime in here.
I feel the same way a lot of you feel. The soul is gone. They fire that was there has left.
I miss the old Type R's, Si's and high revving 4 bangers too. The cars with spirit. I agree too that Honda has stepped down a level in terms of what they offer for the same if not higher price.
I have a 9g Si. I agree, a K20 is better, the carpet sucks, the interior is shit & doesn't compare to the 8g, etc. It is what it is. It is my daily commuter car for my 3 mi drive to work and I didn't like anything else for the price at that time. I feel that I should've jumped at 2011 Si instead of this one. Too late for me though.
My wife has the new RDX. There is less content in there for the money as well. No HID's, no fogs, higher price on the msrp for base model. We're happy with this one but the changes are still apparent.
It isn't them choosing to piss us off intentionally, instead it is Honda trying to stem the bleeding financially. They are doing their best now to not get their ass consistently kicked in the US market from a margin standpoint. The main driver is the USDJPY exchange rate. Look at this chart: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=USDJPY=X&t=5y&l=off&z=l&q=b&c= This is huge for them. A Civic Si sold in 2008 brought in significantly more money (in JPY terms) than a Civic Si in 2011. That is why you saw the huge change in quality levels going into the 2012 9g. Add in the fact that our economy is still in the shitter and you have panic in the Honda accounting dept. The 8g Si had to be crushing them by the end of the model run. I bet they lost on every one. So, they did what any accountant would've told them to do: either raise the price or decrease the cost. They chose the latter. I like to call it "inflation by less".
Some may respond to my argument with "Well Hyundai isn't doing that." To that I would say look at this chart: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=USDKRW%3DX+Basic+Chart&t=5y It is the opposite. Today, for every USD of sales, Hyundai is getting more local currency back than in 2008. The Koreans will run with this as long as it lasts. Honda knows this. That's why they weren't screwing around on the new Accord. They only have their superior engineering and reputation to rely on now.
Honda can't fuck up here in the US anymore. This is a huge inflection point in corporate terms for them. I hope for the best but I have my concerns.
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DrWhiner
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owequitit wrote:
As for justifying the interior with it is "just a Civic." Bullshit. I don't have to get into a Focus and say "but it is just a Focus" because it has a genuinely nice interior that feels WORLDS better than the Civic.
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Explain why Ford can't give the Focus a more usable rear seat, like 9G Civic???
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xBeastx
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jaykit wrote:
I have a 9g Si. I agree, a K20 is better, the carpet sucks, the interior is shit & doesn't compare to the 8g, etc. It is what it is. It is my daily commuter car for my 3 mi drive to work and I didn't like anything else for the price at that time. I feel that I should've jumped at 2011 Si instead of this one. Too late for me though.
My wife has the new RDX. There is less content in there for the money as well. No HID's, no fogs, higher price on the msrp for base model. We're happy with this one but the changes are still apparent.
It isn't them choosing to piss us off intentionally, instead it is Honda trying to stem the bleeding financially. They are doing their best now to not get their ass consistently kicked in the US market from a margin standpoint. The main driver is the USDJPY exchange rate. Look at this chart: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=USDJPY=X&t=5y&l=off&z=l&q=b&c= This is huge for them. A Civic Si sold in 2008 brought in significantly more money (in JPY terms) than a Civic Si in 2011. That is why you saw the huge change in quality levels going into the 2012 9g. Add in the fact that our economy is still in the shitter and you have panic in the Honda accounting dept. The 8g Si had to be crushing them by the end of the model run. I bet they lost on every one. So, they did what any accountant would've told them to do: either raise the price or decrease the cost. They chose the latter. I like to call it "inflation by less".
Some may respond to my argument with "Well Hyundai isn't doing that." To that I would say look at this chart: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=USDKRW%3DX+Basic+Chart&t=5y It is the opposite. Today, for every USD of sales, Hyundai is getting more local currency back than in 2008. The Koreans will run with this as long as it lasts. Honda knows this. That's why they weren't screwing around on the new Accord. They only have their superior engineering and reputation to rely on now.
Honda can't fuck up here in the US anymore. This is a huge inflection point in corporate terms for them. I hope for the best but I have my concerns.
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What if there was a world currency? Wouldn't that solve all these problems? We could have high-quality, feature-packed imports for cheap. I'm not sure how one would go about implementing such a thing, but I definitely think it is possible.
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owequitit
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DrWhiner wrote:
owequitit wrote:
As for justifying the interior with it is "just a Civic." Bullshit. I don't have to get into a Focus and say "but it is just a Focus" because it has a genuinely nice interior that feels WORLDS better than the Civic.
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Explain why Ford can't give the Focus a more usable rear seat, like 9G Civic???
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Explain why Honda can't give a nicer interior like their own previous product?
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