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talon95
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I found out something about how unlocking the trunk works that I'm less than pleased with. The Accord features the handy trunk release "hidden" under the lip on the lid. I assumed that there would be conditions under which that release would be disabled, but I found out that I was wrong. You can disable remote access to the trunk completely with the lock by the interior trunk release or the switch in the glove compartment. However, there's a potential issue if you want to leave trunk access enabled. Apparently, when the trunk release is enabled, it's always active when the fob is in range. Including when the engine is running and the transmission is in gear. In other words, you could be waiting at a stoplight and anyone who knows how the switch works could come up and open your trunk.
Given how ingenious criminals are these days, I can only imagine how long it will take them to figure out that they could watch someone coming up to an EX or better trim 2013 Accord parked near some high end store like a Nieman-Marcus or a jewelry store. The person (let's say a "she") puts her purchase in the trunk, gets in the car and starts it. She then backs out of her space and the bad guy runs up behind it and bangs the trunk with his fist, making it sound like the Accord hit something or someone. The Accord driver stops to see what happened and in the confusion, the crook pops the trunk, snatches the package(s) and takes off.
Much like Hondas with the regular keyless remote, it seems that it would make sense to disable the release switch under circumstances when it's not likely to be needed or when access to the trunk would put the driver at risk for loss. Perhaps engine running, transmission in gear, doors locked? Am I missing something? Are other like systems designed like this?
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If I saw someone opening my trunk, I would floor it in reverse...
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markitdown
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If the doors are locked, could someone open the door while you are driving if the key is in your pocket and you are behind the wheel? It would not seem logical for the trunk to behave differently then the door, and there has got to be a way to disable the trunk. I do agree with Husker- The reverse lights should scare him. I don't think it is likely someone would try such a thing.
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talon95
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Well, that's why I asked if I was missing something. I was so focused on the engine running scenario that I forgot that the doors were unlocked. Sure enough, that's the solution... someone from the outside can't activate any of the keyless features when the car is locked and the fob is inside the car. So the trunk remains secure. Duh!
So, as Emily Litella (SNL character from way back) used to say, never mind...
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Steve
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talon95 wrote:
I found out something about how unlocking the trunk works that I'm less than pleased with. The Accord features the handy trunk release "hidden" under the lip on the lid. I assumed that there would be conditions under which that release would be disabled, but I found out that I was wrong. You can disable remote access to the trunk completely with the lock by the interior trunk release or the switch in the glove compartment. However, there's a potential issue if you want to leave trunk access enabled. Apparently, when the trunk release is enabled, it's always active when the fob is in range. Including when the engine is running and the transmission is in gear. In other words, you could be waiting at a stoplight and anyone who knows how the switch works could come up and open your trunk.
Given how ingenious criminals are these days, I can only imagine how long it will take them to figure out that they could watch someone coming up to an EX or better trim 2013 Accord parked near some high end store like a Nieman-Marcus or a jewelry store. The person (let's say a "she") puts her purchase in the trunk, gets in the car and starts it. She then backs out of her space and the bad guy runs up behind it and bangs the trunk with his fist, making it sound like the Accord hit something or someone. The Accord driver stops to see what happened and in the confusion, the crook pops the trunk, snatches the package(s) and takes off.
Much like Hondas with the regular keyless remote, it seems that it would make sense to disable the release switch under circumstances when it's not likely to be needed or when access to the trunk would put the driver at risk for loss. Perhaps engine running, transmission in gear, doors locked? Am I missing something? Are other like systems designed like this?
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You put a lot of thought into this scenario. Makes me wonder. UMMMMMM :)
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talon95
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Steve wrote:
You put a lot of thought into this scenario. Makes me wonder. UMMMMMM :)
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I knew I should have skipped that Criminal Minds marathon on Saturday... ;)
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Trip
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Something else to consider: The Honda system is probably similar to Mazda's system.... The door handles and trunk request switch have very limited ranges ... we're talking like maybe 2ft. I have to be standing right next to the trunk for the trunk request switch to work. If the fob is with you up front, the trunk request switch probably won't work.
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Trip wrote:
Something else to consider: The Honda system is probably similar to Mazda's system.... The door handles and trunk request switch have very limited ranges ... we're talking like maybe 2ft. I have to be standing right next to the trunk for the trunk request switch to work. If the fob is with you up front, the trunk request switch probably won't work.
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Simple solution--have wife or other helper start the car with the fob in the cupholder, drop shifter into "D" with foot on brake, then walk behind the car and try to open the trunk.
Just thought of something..I was crawling around a V6 NAVI for a good half-hour at my dealer's rollout party a week ago, and tried everything with the keyless except starting the engine (was inside the showroom). Did I have the fob in my pocket when I tried the trunk? Hmmmm..mmmmmm..I don't remember! I think I did!
Easier thing, then, is to place the fob in the cupholder (without engine running), get out of the car, then try to open the trunk with the outside switch.
Sorry..rambling..busy morning! :-)
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talon95
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I think I may have done all of that. The episode that prompted my original post went as follows: Got back from shopping and decided to get some stuff out of the trunk before pulling into the garage. Engine was off, transmission in park, doors were unlocked. Passenger got out and was able to open the trunk with the release switch. I was in the driver's seat with the fob.
Tried it again with engine running, transmission in "D", everything else the same. Passenger was still able to open the trunk.
Test that changed my mind: Car was running, transmission in park, doors were locked, I was in the driver's seat with the fob. Helper tried to open the trunk with the release switch and it failed.
So, since someone was able to open the trunk with the release while I was in the driver's seat with the fob, I guess distance isn't the issue here. Perhaps Honda's threshold is longer than Mazda's. The manual claims ~32 inches, but it seems longer.
Unless the rule is that when the doors are unlocked, the release on the trunk will always work, even without the fob being in range, unless one of the remote trunk lock disabling methods (lock on the floor, switch in the glove compartment) is engaged.
Otherwise, the rule would seem to be if the doors are locked and the fob is inside the car, nothing can be unlocked unless you have the other fob (or the key...). I don't know... trying to deduce how this works is making my head hurt. ;)
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Trip
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talon95 wrote:
... Unless the rule is that when the doors are unlocked, the release on the trunk will always work, ...
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You might have hit it here . . . Now that you mention this, I seem to recall something from my owner's manual about the trunk switch being affected by "central locking". It's possible the trunk will open without the fob if the doors are unlocked - much like the hatch of an SUV works.
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