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Hey Fellas. I've been reading this board for awhile while waiting for the new 2013 Accord to arrive. I've owned many Accords from 1990-2004...no experience with the 2008-2012, a 98 Prelude and a 2003 Odyssey. I drove the 4 cylinder Sport version with cvt and auto and I drove the 6 cylinder auto. Here's my impressions.
4 cylinder - I liked the power and response of the cvt. It had plenty of pep and was good enough for me to want it over the 6 cylinder. At low speeds in the city, from red light to red light, I found the cvt to have a slight hitch in it, like a torque converter locking in/out. On therao, the wind noise was like the elephant in the room. Even the salesman agreed it was pretty loud. Also, the road noise from the tires was very loud. When I got back, I checked the tires on the 4 cyl and they were Firestone.
The 6 cyl had good power, but it didn't feel as responsive and freely revving as the 4 cyl.. It could be because of the non cvt trans. The road noise was quieter and the tires were Michelin.
The interior felt spacious and the dash was okay to me. I like the bodystyle too.
On my way home, my 2004 Accord sedan 4 cyl had much less wind and road noise. I cannot buy a $30K car and have to live with those issues. I have always been a Honda guy with some Toyotas occasionally, but I cannot bite on this new Accord.
I test drove a 3.5 V-6 Altima and found that engine with the cvt felt really good. I'm not a big fan of their bodystyle, but it was quieter. These cvt's in all of these cars really make it seem like there's another 20-30 hp under the hood.
Dan
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BachelorFrog
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Great first post. ;)
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NealX
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You lost me at "Fellas."
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ClementZ
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Are these cars really that loud?
Everytime I sit in one, and drive it around, I come back with the feeling that these noise complaints are overblown.
Honestly, when comparing my 2005 Accord to the 2009 Camry, I couldn't tell the difference in wind noise. Either there wasn't any difference, or I just didn't care enough to pay attention.
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gregjhonda
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I test drove the 2012 and 2013 Altima 3.5 SL and a 2013 Honda Accord EX-L V6 on the same test route. A large portion of the drive was on a noisy tar and chipped road. My 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6 has so much road noise its obnoxious. My 2001, 1995, 1993 and 1992 Accords were also pretty bad in that regard. I had a 1985 Accord that was super quiet. I test drove a lot of cars recently and most were very quiet except the 2012 TL and TSX. The Camry and Fusion were very quiet. Tires do make a big difference but my 2009 Accord and the 2012 Fusion had the same very noisy Michelin tires and the Fusion was dead quiet.
The 2012/2013 Altimas were extremely quiet at all speeds. No noise intrusion from any source that would cause you to raise your voice or crank up the radio to hear it. The 2013 Accord was much quieter than my 2009 Accord. Of course it had the low rolling resistance quiet model Michelins on it so maybe that helped. The Altima was quieter than the Accord but the Accord was greatly improved and I think tolerable although not class leading.
Greg
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superchg2
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gregjhonda wrote:
My 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6 has so much road noise its obnoxious.
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Not trying to highjack this thread, but obnoxious really sums up the road noise of my '06 Si, especially on concrete highways.
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markitdown
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I'm totally confused as to why there would be Firestones on the Accord as I thought they were Michelins on the upper trims and Continentals on the LX. One thing I've seen affect the noise/comfort of tires is tire pressure. Tires are typically over inflated during transport so the vehicles don't move around as much. I actually took delivery of a Mercedes GL450 with all the tires over inflated as the car was not prepped properly. You would think this would not happen with a luxury brand, but it happens all the time. Just a thought.
I test drove an Accord EX-L 4 and took it for a brief spell on the interstate and did not notice much wind noise at all. There was not much wind that day so I don't know if that's why my test drive was quiet. I don't doubt your experience, but I am puzzled that it differs so much from mine. I kept it under 95mph so maybe that explains it :-).
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superchg2
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01Romanss wrote:
\ I drove the 4 cylinder Sport version with cvt and auto
On therao, the wind noise was like the elephant in the room. Even the salesman agreed it was pretty loud. Also, the road noise from the tires was very loud. When I got back, I checked the tires on the 4 cyl and they were Firestone.
Dan
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This is the first I have heard mention of a lot of wind noise.
Also, the Sport is supposed to have primacy 235/45 Michelins.
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Brutus
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Hello,
My thoughts from last night test drive, 2 dudes opinion.
My buddy (accord 6th gen 6cyl owner) and I (TSX 1st gen owner) test drove the accord 2013 ex-l, 4cyl, grey leather and silver ext (very nice combo) and found it to be quiet, in fact we both separately commented that it was. At the beginning I noticed a bit of noise and then I noticed one of the windows was cracked open, but not visibly so, closed it and silence, maybe this was your issue. I have no idea how you would say it was loud, makes absolutely no sense to me, maybe not a Lexus, but how quiet do we need to get, was more then fine by me, I do not need to be in a coffin.
My initial impression was that this car is very smooth. The styling is IMO much different then the previous gen, the cars were parked right next to each other, the 8th gen looked bloated, and even the hood just seem too high. The only thing one can say is the greenhouse is the same, but it was a good greenhouse in the first place. In fact we saw, 8,7,6 gen on the lot and without a doubt non exuded the classy luxury-look of the 9th. Sitting in the car you have a nice open view of the road. The electric steering complaints are overblown, yes not as good as my TSX which is awesome, but very solid. I seems so well executed, exterior/interior. We both loved the seats, very comfortable and in our opinions the leather is a step up from what they have done in the past. Please note we also test drove the ex-l CRV, it was like moving from a hard bench cover in plastic to a plush leather massage seat, night and day, in fact we found the CRV leather seats so weak we would both prefer the EX non leather, great utility car but no Accord, interior was night and day. I was overwhelmed by the tech goodies, def a car you need to buy then sit in the driveway NOT driving and playing around and understanding everything. This was both of our first experience with keyless push button, holy shit cool, can't believe this is in an Accord, seriously a freakin' family car for the masses Accord. My how the Accord has grown into approaching luxury car territory. He found the CVT fine did not know it was a CVT, me I noticed, not my favorite, maybe if I tried the shift it yourself sport CVT, but I could live with it I guess. It was quick, quiet, handsome looking in and out. We also could not discern over the quick test drive any noticeable difference between eco or non eco. I really liked the simple ambient green lighting to improve economy, every car should have something to encourage drivers to improve their driving style in many instances (including me :-)).
My perfect car would be the Accord EX-L Sport with 6sp stick (possibly live with CVT and paddle shifters if needed). Coming from all my cars in leather, since I had one of those 2nd gen Accords Non leather, I just need my heated leather, especially here in NH. I love the open feeling of a sunroof. Could I add a sunroof and leather to a Sport, yes, but then I also want the push button start. Maybe next year....but then again give me a new replacement 2014 TSX with all these doodads and I am sold. A TLX do not need the 6cyl nor the 35+ pricing which it will likely be.
I also eagerly await the Hybrid, as we could drive to work and back and never need to buy gas.
Those who are in the market for a really nice car with luxury doodads at a bang for your buck price, I see no reason to go further. I personally do not like the Nissan styling and do not trust the other makes. From what I can see an ex-l can be had for about 26 large including dest. Now that is a lot of car for that kinda of change. Good luck to those lucky ones who get this car early first on the block...I had that feeling back in the day when the first TSX was introduced.
B.
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01Romanss
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The tires were definitely Firestone on the sport version.
I wanted to like the Accord, and still do, but my experience with the 2 that I drove, back to back, were that the wind noise overshadowed everything else about the car. I know some people can't believe it, but my 04 Accord and the 2013 Altima were much quieter than than the 2 Accords I drove. Other than that, I like enough about the car to buy one, if I could option one out the way I want it.
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MGP999
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I was fortunate to drive two different EX-L V6 models and not only were they very quick, the cabin noise level was just as good as the Camry hybrid is was in earlier, about 25% quieter than my 2012 RDX and about 50% quieter than my 2003 Accord. The only time I detected any noticeable wind noise was when I was flying 80+ during my test drive,
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cruiserchuck
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If you can live with the way the rear end looks on your 04 Accord, then I suspect you could learn to live with whatever noise you heard from the 13 Accord.
I actually have not driven one yet, so I cannot comment on the noise, but I like the way they look.
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rancho1
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Lots of mixed reviews about how loud or quiet the new Accord is, but it doesn't surprise me that the Sport could be loud on the highway.
18 inch tires don't help.
I wonder how the LX and EX 4 cylinder are?
If you really care about quiet, the Camry, Fusion and Altima seem to have noise better controlled and are very competitive with the Accord. 2013 Malibu is quiet, but isn't that great in other ways.
If you want quieter still, you can get a Buick Verano, but it's smaller, pricey, not very fuel efficient and lacking quite a few features. Seems like the Verano is the quietest new car you could get for under $30K though.
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benbess
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Brutus wrote:
Hello,
My thoughts from last night test drive, 2 dudes opinion.
My buddy (accord 6th gen 6cyl owner) and I (TSX 1st gen owner) test drove the accord 2013 ex-l, 4cyl, grey leather and silver ext (very nice combo) and found it to be quiet, in fact we both separately commented that it was. At the beginning I noticed a bit of noise and then I noticed one of the windows was cracked open, but not visibly so, closed it and silence, maybe this was your issue. I have no idea how you would say it was loud, makes absolutely no sense to me, maybe not a Lexus, but how quiet do we need to get, was more then fine by me, I do not need to be in a coffin.
My initial impression was that this car is very smooth. The styling is IMO much different then the previous gen, the cars were parked right next to each other, the 8th gen looked bloated, and even the hood just seem too high. The only thing one can say is the greenhouse is the same, but it was a good greenhouse in the first place. In fact we saw, 8,7,6 gen on the lot and without a doubt non exuded the classy luxury-look of the 9th. Sitting in the car you have a nice open view of the road. The electric steering complaints are overblown, yes not as good as my TSX which is awesome, but very solid. I seems so well executed, exterior/interior. We both loved the seats, very comfortable and in our opinions the leather is a step up from what they have done in the past. Please note we also test drove the ex-l CRV, it was like moving from a hard bench cover in plastic to a plush leather massage seat, night and day, in fact we found the CRV leather seats so weak we would both prefer the EX non leather, great utility car but no Accord, interior was night and day. I was overwhelmed by the tech goodies, def a car you need to buy then sit in the driveway NOT driving and playing around and understanding everything. This was both of our first experience with keyless push button, holy shit cool, can't believe this is in an Accord, seriously a freakin' family car for the masses Accord. My how the Accord has grown into approaching luxury car territory. He found the CVT fine did not know it was a CVT, me I noticed, not my favorite, maybe if I tried the shift it yourself sport CVT, but I could live with it I guess. It was quick, quiet, handsome looking in and out. We also could not discern over the quick test drive any noticeable difference between eco or non eco. I really liked the simple ambient green lighting to improve economy, every car should have something to encourage drivers to improve their driving style in many instances (including me :-)).
My perfect car would be the Accord EX-L Sport with 6sp stick (possibly live with CVT and paddle shifters if needed). Coming from all my cars in leather, since I had one of those 2nd gen Accords Non leather, I just need my heated leather, especially here in NH. I love the open feeling of a sunroof. Could I add a sunroof and leather to a Sport, yes, but then I also want the push button start. Maybe next year....but then again give me a new replacement 2014 TSX with all these doodads and I am sold. A TLX do not need the 6cyl nor the 35+ pricing which it will likely be.
I also eagerly await the Hybrid, as we could drive to work and back and never need to buy gas.
Those who are in the market for a really nice car with luxury doodads at a bang for your buck price, I see no reason to go further. I personally do not like the Nissan styling and do not trust the other makes. From what I can see an ex-l can be had for about 26 large including dest. Now that is a lot of car for that kinda of change. Good luck to those lucky ones who get this car early first on the block...I had that feeling back in the day when the first TSX was introduced.
B.
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Brutus: Great review! Thanks!++
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Husker
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Who drives around without the radio on,,,IMO, road noise is a non-issue.
These cars (Accords) are not quick, do yourself a favor, test drive a car with a serious engine (444+ HP), then you'll realize, it's just Frisky!
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rancho1
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Husker wrote:
Who drives around without the radio on,,,IMO, road noise is a non-issue.
These cars (Accords) are not quick, do yourself a favor, test drive a car with a serious engine (444+ HP), then you'll realize, it's just Frisky!
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Road noise gets annoying and tiring.
You have to play the radio at higher volume to cover it and then you can't easily talk to passengers. It's harder to talk on the phone over road noise. You have to turn the volume up there too.
The car ride is just nicer and more premium-feeling if you don't have much noise and vibration coming in from the road.
People will also perceive the noise differently depending on what they are used to driving. If it's quieter than their old car, then it will seem quiet to them.
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DCR
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I have to stop by the dealer tomorrow so I may drive one of these and see how it is.
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KurtTappe
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I'm also having trouble believing that the '13 is noisier than previous years' Accords. But tell ya what I'll do. Since I plan to test drive one in coming months, I'll use my smartphone to measure decibels in both my '98 Accord and the '13 on the same roads. That way the results won't be subjective but scientific.
However, I don't plan to do this for a couple months--if someone else wants to do the same in the meantime, please do and report back!
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notyper
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Accords of the last few generations have never returned significantly higher dB levels than the competition. But it has been the quality of the noise, particularly tire sizzle and wind rush, that has drawn the negative commentary.
This new Accord still has plenty of wind noise IMO, less so on the tire noise. But it is improved and, if Jeff's experience during the launch event is representative, better than most of the competition.
SC
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Grace141
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I've spent so much of my time driving in Hondas I guess I think of tire and wind noise as normal. When I've rented other brands of cars or traveled in friends' cars that aren't Hondas I've thought they were just as noisy at highway speeds but indeed it's a different type of sound. I thought the C-Class sedan I rented a few years ago felt like a bank vault and I'm sure the type of noise heard inside played a large part in that perception. A co-worker had a Lexus ES for a few years which I found to be too quiet and uncomfortable because of it.
I guess I like knowing what the tires on my car are doing, what type of pavement I'm on, whether I'm driving on ice or slush in cold weather, etc. I also like being alert while driving and it makes little sense to turn a car into an isolation chamber only to then add some electronic device for alarming me when I nod off. Some of the most memorable driving for me was in my V8 Mustang listening to the exhaust with the four windows rolled down - you can't do that without a little wind noise.
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benbess
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Grace141 wrote:
I've spent so much of my time driving in Hondas I guess I think of tire and wind noise as normal. When I've rented other brands of cars or traveled in friends' cars that aren't Hondas I've thought they were just as noisy at highway speeds but indeed it's a different type of sound. I thought the C-Class sedan I rented a few years ago felt like a bank vault and I'm sure the type of noise heard inside played a large part in that perception. A co-worker had a Lexus ES for a few years which I found to be too quiet and uncomfortable because of it.
I guess I like knowing what the tires on my car are doing, what type of pavement I'm on, whether I'm driving on ice or slush in cold weather, etc. I also like being alert while driving and it makes little sense to turn a car into an isolation chamber only to then add some electronic device for alarming me when I nod off. Some of the most memorable driving for me was in my V8 Mustang listening to the exhaust with the four windows rolled down - you can't do that without a little wind noise.
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Good memories....++ Yeah, I think some road noise is a good thing...
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01Romanss
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I went to another dealer and drove the 4 cylinder EX-L. I didn't hear as much wind noise and the car performed well. I did look at another Sport and it had Firestone tires. That makes 2 Accords I've seen without Michelins.
I also went to drive the 2012 Camry V-6. Right now, they are knocking off $4250, mkaing them very appealing. The Camry doesn't look as good as the Accord but is loaded with features. They have a better Blind Spot system in my opinion. If there is someone in the left or right blind spot, there will be a small amber icon light up in the outside edge of the respective mirror. The Accord would light up the LCD screen with a picture of the real world camera view and it was distracting to me. Neither myself nor the salesman could turn the system off, although it seemed obvious enough to just press the button on the end of the turn signal stalk...it did not turn it off. The Camry also had the 60/40 folding rear seat so I could keep my daughter in her car seat and pass something thru. All in all, the Camry is hard to beat with their deep discounts and I've found more little things I didn't like with the Accord than I did with the Camry. Also, the Accord has a new engine and a new transmission...the Camry has a a proven combination.
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superchg2
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01Romanss wrote:
All in all, the Camry is hard to beat with their deep discounts and I've found more little things I didn't like with the Accord than I did with the Camry.
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While the Camry sells very well, it has been rated near the bottom in most recent comparo's.
Here a couple of comments from the recent Motor Trend about the Camry, where it finished in fifth place, second from the bottom.
"This car is just so cynical. Horribly executed, and not a drop of passion anywhere. Interior looks like it was designed by the accounting department. Monochrome display for the HVAC system could have been developed in the '70s. The knobs are cheap, the buttons are cheap, everything is built to the lowest price."
"I'm confident this is the worst car I've driven in months. The Malibu might come up shorter in some respects, but at least Chevy put forth an effort. The Camry is offensive partly because it's so far under Toyota's potential."
So Romanss, I guess you really will get what you pay for!
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vh2k
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01Romanss wrote:
I also went to drive the 2012 Camry V-6. Right now, they are knocking off $4250, mkaing them very appealing.
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You can easily get $6,000 off a 2012 V-6 Accord... so make sure you factor that into your comparison, as well.
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talon95
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I'm surprised to read the complaints about wind noise. Certainly I've experienced road noise in my Accords (and the 2013 has definitely improved in that area, though as mentioned above, still not class leading), but I've never had problems with wind noise with any of my Accords (6,7,8 & 9 gens). Yesterday on a recently resurfaced highway at ~60 mph in my 2013 EX-L I4, the levels of noise of all types were so low that the car was almost eerily quiet. No wind noise to speak of. Naturally, as soon as I got on a road that wasn't smooth as glass, road noise resumed (at reduced levels when compared to my 2011 EX-L V6). But wind noise was still not a problem.
As the OP suggested, tires may have something to do with the road noise. My 2013 has Michelin Primacys like the quieter V6 model that he drove.
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talon95
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Regarding LaneWatch, under Camera Settings, there's a menu item "Show with Turn Signal". It defaults to On, but it can be turned Off. If turned off, you can activate it on demand with the button on the end of the turn signal stalk.
After 2 weeks, I don't even notice it anymore, unless I want to use it.
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RichL215
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That "sounds" about right from everything else i've read, which is good news since road noise is one of the most important things to me and I am seriously considering the new Accord Coupe when my Crosstour lease is up early 2013.
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RichL215
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That "sounds" about right from everything else i've read, which is good news since road noise is one of the most important things to me and I am seriously considering the new Accord Coupe when my Crosstour lease is up in early 2013.
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JeffX
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notyper wrote:
Accords of the last few generations have never returned significantly higher dB levels than the competition. But it has been the quality of the noise, particularly tire sizzle and wind rush, that has drawn the negative commentary.
This new Accord still has plenty of wind noise IMO, less so on the tire noise. But it is improved and, if Jeff's experience during the launch event is representative, better than most of the competition.
SC
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Actually if I remember our discussion you were driving the 2013 6MT V6 coupe and commented on the road noise on that stretch of the 101 we were on, and I said that I didn't think that any of the cars I'd driven on that same road had been particularly quiet. And then I mentioned that Honda claimed during the presentation (given the day before) that they had the lowest road noise when compared to several competitors. I just looked back at the presentation and I see that the cars they compared it to on their graphic were the outgoing Accord, '12 Camry, and '12 Sonata. No mention of the Altima or other models.
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A77
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I have been going around in a big lexus sedan a lot these last few weeks (realtors) and it has some road noise still. It's also too soft and in the back makes me feel sick - very few cars do this normally.
I still havent drivent he accord enough to put full pen to paper. i will say though that I way prefer the odyssey's blind spot warning system (lights on the a pillars) - its noticeable but unobtrusive. maybe I am a Luddite but I am not digging the camera thing. BTW someone has just invented an android app that does LDW and FCW...
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/10/driver-aids-app/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Top+Stories%29
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