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Had a short drive in an Accord I4 Touring CVT today. It was pearl white with black interior. I am in Canada. Our touring models are equipped like US Touring but in 4cyl and V6 models with navi standard. We don't have EX-L Navi sedans here. Touring also has 18" wheels and 6 spd M/T on 4 cyl. I had this one and a 2012 EX-L I was working on in my bay. What a difference when you have them side by side. The 13 looks amazing. It was quieter, handled better than the 12. I was also worried about the switch to Mac Struts from DWS. No problem there. Same with the switch to EPS steering. Steering felt great, good on centre feel. What really suprised me was the wheel gap. It looked like it was lowered. I could only get 2 fingers between the top of the tire and front fender.
The engine noise was not bad I heard that DI engines can be quite noisey. It sounded like any other K24 to me.
Now for the CVT part. I have driven Insight and Civic Hybrid and CRZ with CVT'S before. The Accord's feels better and sometimes I thought it was shifting like a regular A/T. But still a bit lagging off the line. Not sure if its the CVT or the DBW throttle. I will need more drive time with the CVT. For the majority of buyers this trany will be perfectly fine. Interior materials were excellent, love the new layout. We only got the 1 I4 Touring in today, hope for more next week. Can't wait to see and drive more models. This New Accord will sell very well.
My self I am 100% planing to sell my 2008 Accord Coupe EX 5spd M/T for a 2013 Accord Sedan Sport 6spd M/T.
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Gfn8r
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dutchboy wrote:
Had a short drive in an Accord I4 Touring CVT today. It was pearl white with black interior. I am in Canada. Our touring models are equipped like US Touring but in 4cyl and V6 models with navi standard. We don't have EX-L Navi sedans here. Touring also has 18" wheels and 6 spd M/T on 4 cyl. I had this one and a 2012 EX-L I was working on in my bay. What a difference when you have them side by side. The 13 looks amazing. It was quieter, handled better than the 12. I was also worried about the switch to Mac Struts from DWS. No problem there. Same with the switch to EPS steering. Steering felt great, good on centre feel. What really suprised me was the wheel gap. It looked like it was lowered. I could only get 2 fingers between the top of the tire and front fender.
The engine noise was not bad I heard that DI engines can be quite noisey. It sounded like any other K24 to me.
Now for the CVT part. I have driven Insight and Civic Hybrid and CRZ with CVT'S before. The Accord's feels better and sometimes I thought it was shifting like a regular A/T. But still a bit lagging off the line. Not sure if its the CVT or the DBW throttle. I will need more drive time with the CVT. For the majority of buyers this trany will be perfectly fine. Interior materials were excellent, love the new layout. We only got the 1 I4 Touring in today, hope for more next week. Can't wait to see and drive more models. This New Accord will sell very well.
My self I am 100% planing to sell my 2008 Accord Coupe EX 5spd M/T for a 2013 Accord Sedan Sport 6spd M/T.
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Do you think that Honda will give you Canadians a "Touring Elite" with Active Cruise? (As it is, you folks get heated rear seats, something which would be a nice addition to the Touring here in the States--IMHO, the LED headlights and ACC aren't quite enough to distinguish our Touring from our EX-L V6 NAVI, unless you ** REALLY ** want ACC (like I do) or the LED headlights, which look pretty badass (though I could live with the regular lights)!)
I was able to test the US "Sport" yesterday--CVT and 18" wheels, just like you tested, and echo your sentiments regarding ride and drive! (Maybe a touch of lost "feel" due to the struts and/or EPS, but 97% of that classic Accord "feel" is still there!)
Honda did a nice job on this one!! I hope that Accord sales pick up for you folks up there--it's a great value, even at your higher prices.
(One thing given that all US Accords get auto climate-control, supposedly to save costs--you folks get a normal manual A/C in your LX! WTF??!!)
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dutchboy
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Ya no active cruise but LED lighting. Here is the touring list.
Adds to or replaces EX-L features:
18" aluminum-alloy wheels, blade silver, diamond machined face • AM/FM/CD Premium
audio system with MP3/Windows Media® Audio playback capability and 7 speakers
including subwoofer • dark chrome door handles • dark chrome grille • Honda
Satellite-Linked Navigation System™ with trilingual Voice Recognition and 3D map
display • led daytime running lights • Projector-beam LED headlights.
Manual A/C for LX but our LX has 17" Alloys and 6 speaker stereo, 8 way power drivers seat. Our LX price is 23,990 (CDN). $900 cheaper than the 12 base model.
US get's much more color selections on certain models.
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xBeastx
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dutchboy wrote:
Ya no active cruise but LED lighting. Here is the touring list.
Adds to or replaces EX-L features:
18" aluminum-alloy wheels, blade silver, diamond machined face • AM/FM/CD Premium
audio system with MP3/Windows Media® Audio playback capability and 7 speakers
including subwoofer • dark chrome door handles • dark chrome grille • Honda
Satellite-Linked Navigation System™ with trilingual Voice Recognition and 3D map
display • led daytime running lights • Projector-beam LED headlights.
Manual A/C for LX but our LX has 17" Alloys and 6 speaker stereo, 8 way power drivers seat. Our LX price is 23,990 (CDN). $900 cheaper than the 12 base model.
US get's much more color selections on certain models.
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Why all these differences? I understand heated seats/mirrors for colder climates, but colors and seemingly random trim levels? Do they decide the colors/trims for each country based on some very specific demographics or something? I honestly think it would be simpler and more fair to offer the same trims in every country.
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Chocs
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
dutchboy wrote:
Ya no active cruise but LED lighting. Here is the touring list.
Adds to or replaces EX-L features:
18" aluminum-alloy wheels, blade silver, diamond machined face • AM/FM/CD Premium
audio system with MP3/Windows Media® Audio playback capability and 7 speakers
including subwoofer • dark chrome door handles • dark chrome grille • Honda
Satellite-Linked Navigation System™ with trilingual Voice Recognition and 3D map
display • led daytime running lights • Projector-beam LED headlights.
Manual A/C for LX but our LX has 17" Alloys and 6 speaker stereo, 8 way power drivers seat. Our LX price is 23,990 (CDN). $900 cheaper than the 12 base model.
US get's much more color selections on certain models.
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Why all these differences? I understand heated seats/mirrors for colder climates, but colors and seemingly random trim levels? Do they decide the colors/trims for each country based on some very specific demographics or something? I honestly think it would be simpler and more fair to offer the same trims in every country.
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Waldo
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Chocs wrote:
I don't get it either.. they de-content in the name of cost saving but how does having different trims for two regions help?
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Canada is a much smaller market than the US. By keeping the line smaller (fewer color options and models) it makes distribution easier to manage. You can be sure that the people who make those decisions really sweat their educated guesses, as much rides on their choices. They can't please everyone, and they know it.
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looks like I have to head north to get an I4 Touring. Exactly the configuration I'd like but AHM does not offer it :(
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Chocs
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Waldo wrote:
Chocs wrote:
I don't get it either.. they de-content in the name of cost saving but how does having different trims for two regions help?
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Canada is a much smaller market than the US. By keeping the line smaller (fewer color options and models) it makes distribution easier to manage. You can be sure that the people who make those decisions really sweat their educated guesses, as much rides on their choices. They can't please everyone, and they know it.
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Waldo
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Chocs wrote:
Would that require a dedicated line? I assumed the Canadian Accords were also made in the US, alongside their US brethren.
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Honda has very sophisticated computer controlled production systems that allow many different variations of a car to follow each other down the line. A Canadian variation would just be another such option on the line.
One obvious item would be the metric speedometer. Other than that, it appears that everything else in the Canadian Accords is just a matter of which items from the parts bin to include and exclude.
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Honda should strongly consider adding these 3 trims for the U.S. market:
- Touring I4/CVT
- Sport EX, Sport EX-L CVT/6MT
- Sport EX V6, Sport EX-L V6
Just about all of the Accord's competitors have available the top of the line model with the 4cyl as well as a higher powered option. I as well as many others here would really like to see the Sport trim with more optional feature content as well as a V6 option.
~Patrick
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Waldo wrote:
Chocs wrote:
Would that require a dedicated line? I assumed the Canadian Accords were also made in the US, alongside their US brethren.
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Honda has very sophisticated computer controlled production systems that allow many different variations of a car to follow each other down the line. A Canadian variation would just be another such option on the line.
One obvious item would be the metric speedometer. Other than that, it appears that everything else in the Canadian Accords is just a matter of which items from the parts bin to include and exclude.
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I've always wondered this...do they build Russian/Arab spec Pilots and Crosstours in the United States plant? The only plant that I know build those vehicles is the Lincoln Alabama plant.
Also, are the Chinese Acuras built here in the United States? That would be weird seeing a car with those options and clear headlights sitting with the rest of the cars on the lot after they are built.
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CivicB18 wrote:
Honda should strongly consider adding these 3 trims for the U.S. market:
- Touring I4/CVT
- Sport EX, Sport EX-L CVT/6MT
- Sport EX V6, Sport EX-L V6
Just about all of the Accord's competitors have available the top of the line model with the 4cyl as well as a higher powered option. I as well as many others here would really like to see the Sport trim with more optional feature content as well as a V6 option.
~Patrick
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In particular, the downgrade to a stereo without tweeters is stupid!! (Given the Sport's demographics in particular, offer an Accessory package which includes tweeters, subwoofer and XM, at least! Of course, perhaps someone will figure out how to swap the touch-screen (with the two knobs) head-unit in at some point.) In general, they should have put some kind of HDD in the non-navi HondaLink head-unit anyway, in order to be able for those with CDs to be able to rip them into the car and not juggle an MP3 player, if desired.
I've also noticed that there is no XM add-on for the non-factory-XM head-units. Dumb! :-|
Reshuffling those trims would be good!! (I've also noticed a few more cloth V6 Accords from the last two generations lately (LX 7, EX 8), so again I question the leather-only V6s. The Sport in a V6 would directly compete with the Camry SE--just add the two-knob touch-screen head-unit, and Honda would trump that car. Up until last year, or maybe last-gen, TOYota would even sell you an LE-V6 if you wanted one. Though as I stated, for the folks who just need good honest Accord transportation, the four-pot has a nice kick to it!)
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Gfn8r wrote:
CivicB18 wrote:
Honda should strongly consider adding these 3 trims for the U.S. market:
- Touring I4/CVT
- Sport EX, Sport EX-L CVT/6MT
- Sport EX V6, Sport EX-L V6
Just about all of the Accord's competitors have available the top of the line model with the 4cyl as well as a higher powered option. I as well as many others here would really like to see the Sport trim with more optional feature content as well as a V6 option.
~Patrick
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In particular, the downgrade to a stereo without tweeters is stupid!! (Given the Sport's demographics in particular, offer an Accessory package which includes tweeters, subwoofer and XM, at least! Of course, perhaps someone will figure out how to swap the touch-screen (with the two knobs) head-unit in at some point.) In general, they should have put some kind of HDD in the non-navi HondaLink head-unit anyway, in order to be able for those with CDs to be able to rip them into the car and not juggle an MP3 player, if desired.
I've also noticed that there is no XM add-on for the non-factory-XM head-units. Dumb! :-|
Reshuffling those trims would be good!! (I've also noticed a few more cloth V6 Accords from the last two generations lately (LX 7, EX 8), so again I question the leather-only V6s. The Sport in a V6 would directly compete with the Camry SE--just add the two-knob touch-screen head-unit, and Honda would trump that car. Up until last year, or maybe last-gen, TOYota would even sell you an LE-V6 if you wanted one. Though as I stated, for the folks who just need good honest Accord transportation, the four-pot has a nice kick to it!)
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I still believe that once the TSX dies off and the TL(X) is introduced Acura will add more content to the ILX (memory seats, LEDs, etc. etc.) and Honda may expand the Accord's line up. Start offering Sport EX-L and Touring I4 models in the states and Acura TSX sales are gonna dry up IMO.
The new Accord EX-L already has feature content that you can't get in a TSX or ILX, add the Touring's ACC and LED headlamps and the "value" proposition for both the ILX and TSX drops.
I'd be satisfied if Honda just offered a "Sport" trim level between the EX and EX-L. The content levels of the EX and EXL have been spreading further and further apart with each geneation. Used to be a time when the only real difference between an EX and EX-L was leather and maybe a power driver's seat, now the differences are much wider.
Offer a Sport trim that gives you a power sunroof, gives you the 360 watt AM/FM/XM/HondaLink, give it the "Sport" seats with a leather/cloth combination and offer it with a CVT and 6MT and I'd be satisified.
The Sport's position in the lineup just does not make much sense to me...and I'm in the demographic of buyers that Honda is supposed to be attracting with the Sport. Male, 27. I'd never buy a Camry SE but you cannot deny that the Camry SE will have more appeal to younger buyers than the Accord Sport will simply because Toyota allows optional packaging. Honda doesn't do this but they could expand the Sport model out as tweener between LX and EX (as it is now) and a tweener between EX and EX-L or they could make the "sport" and extension of existing trim levels...Honda did this with the last couple of years of the 7th generation Civic Coupe and Sedan.
The fact that a $34K Accord touring rides on the same bland wheels as a $25K Accord EX while Canada gets the much nicer looking 18 inch wheels on Touring models there makes no sense to me either.
I entertained the idea of traveling up to Canada to get a Touring I4/6MT but that to me would be ridiculous. Either Honda will offer a Touring I4/6MT in the states and I'll buy it or I'll head across the street to Ford and get a Fusion. It has become that simple to me.
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xBeastx
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Gfn8r wrote:
CivicB18 wrote:
Honda should strongly consider adding these 3 trims for the U.S. market:
- Touring I4/CVT
- Sport EX, Sport EX-L CVT/6MT
- Sport EX V6, Sport EX-L V6
Just about all of the Accord's competitors have available the top of the line model with the 4cyl as well as a higher powered option. I as well as many others here would really like to see the Sport trim with more optional feature content as well as a V6 option.
~Patrick
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In particular, the downgrade to a stereo without tweeters is stupid!! (Given the Sport's demographics in particular, offer an Accessory package which includes tweeters, subwoofer and XM, at least! Of course, perhaps someone will figure out how to swap the touch-screen (with the two knobs) head-unit in at some point.) In general, they should have put some kind of HDD in the non-navi HondaLink head-unit anyway, in order to be able for those with CDs to be able to rip them into the car and not juggle an MP3 player, if desired.
I've also noticed that there is no XM add-on for the non-factory-XM head-units. Dumb! :-|
Reshuffling those trims would be good!! (I've also noticed a few more cloth V6 Accords from the last two generations lately (LX 7, EX 8), so again I question the leather-only V6s. The Sport in a V6 would directly compete with the Camry SE--just add the two-knob touch-screen head-unit, and Honda would trump that car. Up until last year, or maybe last-gen, TOYota would even sell you an LE-V6 if you wanted one. Though as I stated, for the folks who just need good honest Accord transportation, the four-pot has a nice kick to it!)
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The Sport trim should be slotted above the EX trim...in fact, I think I will make a list of how I want the trims to be:
LX
-I4 / CVT or 6MT
-6 speaker audio system w/ tweeters
EX
-I4 / CVT or 6MT
-7 speaker premium audio system w/ touch screen
EX-L
-I4 / CVT or 6MT
Sport
-I4 / CVT or 6MT
-V6 / 6AT or 6MT
-10 speaker audio system (4 regular speakers, 2 tweeters, 2 rear surround, 1 center, 1 subwoofer)
Touring
-I4 / CVT or 6MT
-V6 / 6AT
-18 wheels (same ones that are on the Sport)
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Rgist85
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Gfn8r wrote:
CivicB18 wrote:
Honda should strongly consider adding these 3 trims for the U.S. market:
- Touring I4/CVT
- Sport EX, Sport EX-L CVT/6MT
- Sport EX V6, Sport EX-L V6
Just about all of the Accord's competitors have available the top of the line model with the 4cyl as well as a higher powered option. I as well as many others here would really like to see the Sport trim with more optional feature content as well as a V6 option.
~Patrick
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In particular, the downgrade to a stereo without tweeters is stupid!! (Given the Sport's demographics in particular, offer an Accessory package which includes tweeters, subwoofer and XM, at least! Of course, perhaps someone will figure out how to swap the touch-screen (with the two knobs) head-unit in at some point.) In general, they should have put some kind of HDD in the non-navi HondaLink head-unit anyway, in order to be able for those with CDs to be able to rip them into the car and not juggle an MP3 player, if desired.
I've also noticed that there is no XM add-on for the non-factory-XM head-units. Dumb! :-|
Reshuffling those trims would be good!! (I've also noticed a few more cloth V6 Accords from the last two generations lately (LX 7, EX 8), so again I question the leather-only V6s. The Sport in a V6 would directly compete with the Camry SE--just add the two-knob touch-screen head-unit, and Honda would trump that car. Up until last year, or maybe last-gen, TOYota would even sell you an LE-V6 if you wanted one. Though as I stated, for the folks who just need good honest Accord transportation, the four-pot has a nice kick to it!)
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The Sport trim should be slotted above the EX trim...in fact, I think I will make a list of how I want the trims to be:
LX
-I4 / CVT or 6MT
-6 speaker audio system w/ tweeters
EX
-I4 / CVT or 6MT
-7 speaker premium audio system w/ touch screen
EX-L
-I4 / CVT or 6MT
Sport
-I4 / CVT or 6MT
-V6 / 6AT or 6MT
-10 speaker audio system (4 regular speakers, 2 tweeters, 2 rear surround, 1 center, 1 subwoofer)
Touring
-I4 / CVT or 6MT
-V6 / 6AT
-18 wheels (same ones that are on the Sport)
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I can dig this! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who would like to see more models available with a manual and more models avauilabe in general. I hope Honda listens to us.
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computernerd
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dutchboy wrote:
Had a short drive in an Accord I4 Touring CVT today...
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I wish someone would explain to me why we can't get this car in the United States? I've driven the 2013 Honda Accord (it was an I4 EX-L with Navi) and I was mightily impressed. I figured I was going to end up with either the new generation Ford Fusion or an entry-level luxury car as my next ride, but I was so impressed with the new Accord that it immediately moved to the head of my list. There is one thing bothering me about the car (and I actually have the same beef with the Fusion). Why can't I get the top level trim with the economical engine? What I want is an I4 Touring CVT with all the bells and whistles and the nifty LED headlamps and 30 MPG combined. Why can't I get that? Honda is building them for Canada, why not sell them here too? I understand the take rate will be low, but heck they expect the take rate on the Touring to be low period. So why not send a few, I think they will sell. Ford does the exact same thing with the Fusion. Their top-level, Titanium trim is only available with the 2.0 Ecoboost. Why can't I get a Fusion Titanium with the 1.6 Liter Ecoboost with start stop? If you step down to their SE trim level, which doesn't include keyless ignition, the Sony sound system or the good seats, you can get the 1.6 liter Ecoboost engine, but you can't get start stop if you want 18 inch wheels, huh? The assumption seems to be that if you are willing to pay for the top-level trim, you don't car about gas mileage, but I think that's a bad assumption. I want all the bells and whistles, but I also want great gas mileage. Why can't I get both? I haven't driven the Fusion yet, but if it's the equal of the Accord, my business will go to whoever can give me the shot caller/big baller trim level with an economical engine.
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benbess
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Rgist85 wrote:...Either Honda will offer a Touring I4/6MT in the states and I'll buy it or I'll head across the street to Ford and get a Fusion. It has become that simple to me.
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Then go buy a Fusion. Good luck! Have you noticed how many recalls the new 2013 Ford Escape has, the latest for the engine catching fire:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/05/2013-ford-escape-recalled-for-third-time-again-for-fire-risk/
Also note the Fusion's poor visibility, etc.
Again, good luck. I do hope your new car works out for you.
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benbess
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computernerd wrote:
dutchboy wrote:
Had a short drive in an Accord I4 Touring CVT today...
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I wish someone would explain to me why we can't get this car in the United States? I've driven the 2013 Honda Accord (it was an I4 EX-L with Navi) and I was mightily impressed. I figured I was going to end up with either the new generation Ford Fusion or an entry-level luxury car as my next ride, but I was so impressed with the new Accord that it immediately moved to the head of my list. There is one thing bothering me about the car (and I actually have the same beef with the Fusion). Why can't I get the top level trim with the economical engine? What I want is an I4 Touring CVT with all the bells and whistles and the nifty LED headlamps and 30 MPG combined. Why can't I get that? Honda is building them for Canada, why not sell them here too? I understand the take rate will be low, but heck they expect the take rate on the Touring to be low period. So why not send a few, I think they will sell. Ford does the exact same thing with the Fusion. Their top-level, Titanium trim is only available with the 2.0 Ecoboost. Why can't I get a Fusion Titanium with the 1.6 Liter Ecoboost with start stop? If you step down to their SE trim level, which doesn't include keyless ignition, the Sony sound system or the good seats, you can get the 1.6 liter Ecoboost engine, but you can't get start stop if you want 18 inch wheels, huh? The assumption seems to be that if you are willing to pay for the top-level trim, you don't car about gas mileage, but I think that's a bad assumption. I want all the bells and whistles, but I also want great gas mileage. Why can't I get both? I haven't driven the Fusion yet, but if it's the equal of the Accord, my business will go to whoever can give me the shot caller/big baller trim level with an economical engine.
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Back in the 1970s Honda pioneered trim levels instead of options. Rather than the thousands of combinations of a car that some makers offered, originally there were just a few. This simplified manufacturing, lowered costs, and increased quality. In other words, if you could find a trim you liked and could afford, thanks to Honda engineering and manufacturing quality, you got a better car for the same or even less money.
Is this system sometimes frustrating? Yes.
I myself own a 2008 Honda Accord EXL navi manual sedan. Had to special order it. It was one of the trim levels, it was just no one actually got it unless they special ordered it as far as I can tell. They ended that option because of that low volume back in 2009.
I wouldn't buy a Ford. I was burned by one once, as many have been. But Ford's are better today. And if the Ford fits what you want, then go for it. But imho does a Ford have Honda's quality and engineering excellence. No.
I realize it's frustrating. Life is sometimes frustrating. But Honda is not going to change this system. And so if it doesn't work for you move on and buy a Ford. End of story. Don't spend your time whining here. Write a letter to Honda if you want, but please move on with your life and buy the car that works for you.
I don't mean this in a cruel way. I'm just pointing out the realities. The Honda way has good and not so good points to it. But it is the Honda way and is part of what makes a Honda a Honda.
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benbess
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And for those saying, "They make it for Canada, why not here?" Well, Canada is a different market, and so Honda has tried to calibrate the Accord trims a bit differently for that different market. Gas is a little more expensive there, I think, and probably more people know how to drive manuals there. And so, overall, that trim level works better there.
I love manuals myself, and so do I wish they offered that model here? Yes. But they aren't going to do that. And so again, move on and get a Fusion or something else if that works better for you.
Or, write a letter to Honda corporate and ask if they'd put out a special edition of the Touring 4 6MT for you and the probably few hundred other people in the whole USA who might want this trim. I very much doubt they'd do it, but you never know, they might.
But we can't make that happen for your here at TOV. Only Honda can do that. Do please save your time and our time don't try to lobby us about it. Either write a letter to Honda, or move on and buy a Fusion if you need a car now....
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benbess
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Severus Snape: "Life *isn't* fair!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0_CE2Hazik
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dutchboy
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Here is a picture of the I4 Touring I drove and worked on.
Love the minimal wheel gap!!
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xBeastx
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benbess wrote:
Gas is a little more expensive there, I think, and probably more people know how to drive manuals there. And so, overall, that trim level works better there.
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Last time I checked, automatics and CVTs get way better fuel efficiency (MPG) than manuals nowadays. Keep in mind that I'm talking about fuel efficiency, not emissions.
Oh, what am I saying, I probably didn't interpret your post correctly.
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benbess
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
benbess wrote:
Gas is a little more expensive there, I think, and probably more people know how to drive manuals there. And so, overall, that trim level works better there.
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Last time I checked, automatics and CVTs get way better fuel efficiency (MPG) than manuals nowadays. Keep in mind that I'm talking about fuel efficiency, not emissions.
Oh, what am I saying, I probably didn't interpret your post correctly.
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Good point!
I'm just guessing here, but it might be that a gently driven manual can still equal a CVT. But maybe not. It's a new world when a manual is not the mpg winner.....And we seem to have entered that new world.
Long story short, I think that point I made was wrong, or garbled or something!
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That looks sharp. Honda should at least offer those wheels for us in the U.S. as an accessory. I would even settle for one of the 3 styles offered on the 8G, but they are all grey or chrome like.
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99SI
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Those wheels make the car period.... Can't beleive we got the hidious wheels we have here. At least make these an option as part of a sport package. As it sits now I guess I can get a set but i is going to cost 2k or so.
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Rgist85
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Benbess,
Considering not one of us has asked you to write a letter or to "lobby" it would seem you'd be better off ignoring our commentary when it comes to the Accord, its trim levels and changes we'd like to see made. This is afterall The Temple of Vtec, it is, you know, an enthusiast website for Honda lovers and fans. We can complain, compliment and make suggestions all day long if we want to.
Your condescending remarks about how "life isn't fair" or how we can "go buy a Ford" or how we need to stop "whinning" aren't necessary. Don't like what we have to say? Gloss over it and move on to another thread. Life is unfair, but it can be pretty simple too. I'm not going away, I'll continue to be vocal if I find it necessary to do so, afterall it worked when I and other "enthusiast" went to Facebook, Car and Driver and other websites and persuaded Ford to offer the Focus in Titanium trim with a stick shift.
Acknowledging that:
1) Many would like to see the Sport trim expanded as an extension of current trim levels, you know those who might want a "Sporty" Accord but who also want amenities such as leather, sunroof, XM, navigation, etc. etc. is pretty reasonable considering the Accord's chief competitiors offer sporty trim levels that can be loaded up (Camry SE, Sonata SE, Mazda6 GT, Fusion Titanium and SE 1.6t, Optima SX)
2) There has been some confusion and resentment about which wheels Touring models get in the states. I've seen about three or four threads about this issue. It's Honda's own fault for showing off pictures on their US Honda News site of a Canadian Touring with 18 inch wheels, knowing full well we would not be getting those wheels here in the states.
3) The lack of color choices for manual transmission models...I've read about it here, on VWVortex, Autoblog, Car and Driver, Motortrend and even Leftlanenews.
4) The lack of a Touring I4 Trim level, not only for the enthusiast like myself who crave the 6MT but for those who'd prefer the CVT.
I believe these are all valid complaints, small and minor they may be, but valid and reasonable. I even believe some of these complaints may be addressed next year after the TSX is dead, but if we don't mention them here, and if Honda does not get feedback about them not only thru letters but thru TOV-you do know that Honda employees have been known to frequent here-and other car sites, how in the world will they know of changes that we, the consumers, would like to see?
Again, if you don't like the fact that enthusiast on a Honda website are making suggestions, upset about trim levels or want to see some changes made, gloss over our commentary, gloss over our threads and move onto another thread. It's really that simple.
So I encourage anyone who'd like to see some changes made to the Accord to be vocal, speak up, let your voices be heard, seems there have been a few issues brought up here and there, not only here but on other sites like DriveAccord.net and VWVortex.
The Accord is a great car, no doubt about it, my review of the EX-L and Sport or coming very soon, but just a few changes in the lineup would make a few of us loyal buyers happier and it would lead to more sales for Honda. Its a win win in my view, especially considering some of the trims we desire are already being produced on the same line as the cars we get here in the US. A simplier system that would allow those of us to purchase what we'd want is not a bad idea.
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dutchboy wrote:
Here is a picture of the I4 Touring I drove and worked on.
Love the minimal wheel gap!!
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Looks good, did you snap any pics of the interior? Just makes me more upset looking at it, wish it was sitting in my drive way lol
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Rgist85 wrote:
Benbess,
Considering not one of us has asked you to write a letter or to "lobby" it would seem you'd be better off ignoring our commentary when it comes to the Accord, its trim levels and changes we'd like to see made. This is afterall The Temple of Vtec, it is, you know, an enthusiast website for Honda lovers and fans. We can complain, compliment and make suggestions all day long if we want to.
Your condescending remarks about how "life isn't fair" or how we can "go buy a Ford" or how we need to stop "whinning" aren't necessary. Don't like what we have to say? Gloss over it and move on to another thread. Life is unfair, but it can be pretty simple too. I'm not going away, I'll continue to be vocal if I find it necessary to do so, afterall it worked when I and other "enthusiast" went to Facebook, Car and Driver and other websites and persuaded Ford to offer the Focus in Titanium trim with a stick shift.
Acknowledging that:
1) Many would like to see the Sport trim expanded as an extension of current trim levels, you know those who might want a "Sporty" Accord but who also want amenities such as leather, sunroof, XM, navigation, etc. etc. is pretty reasonable considering the Accord's chief competitiors offer sporty trim levels that can be loaded up (Camry SE, Sonata SE, Mazda6 GT, Fusion Titanium and SE 1.6t, Optima SX)
2) There has been some confusion and resentment about which wheels Touring models get in the states. I've seen about three or four threads about this issue. It's Honda's own fault for showing off pictures on their US Honda News site of a Canadian Touring with 18 inch wheels, knowing full well we would not be getting those wheels here in the states.
3) The lack of color choices for manual transmission models...I've read about it here, on VWVortex, Autoblog, Car and Driver, Motortrend and even Leftlanenews.
4) The lack of a Touring I4 Trim level, not only for the enthusiast like myself who crave the 6MT but for those who'd prefer the CVT.
I believe these are all valid complaints, small and minor they may be, but valid and reasonable. I even believe some of these complaints may be addressed next year after the TSX is dead, but if we don't mention them here, and if Honda does not get feedback about them not only thru letters but thru TOV-you do know that Honda employees have been known to frequent here-and other car sites, how in the world will they know of changes that we, the consumers, would like to see?
Again, if you don't like the fact that enthusiast on a Honda website are making suggestions, upset about trim levels or want to see some changes made, gloss over our commentary, gloss over our threads and move onto another thread. It's really that simple.
So I encourage anyone who'd like to see some changes made to the Accord to be vocal, speak up, let your voices be heard, seems there have been a few issues brought up here and there, not only here but on other sites like DriveAccord.net and VWVortex.
The Accord is a great car, no doubt about it, my review of the EX-L and Sport or coming very soon, but just a few changes in the lineup would make a few of us loyal buyers happier and it would lead to more sales for Honda. Its a win win in my view, especially considering some of the trims we desire are already being produced on the same line as the cars we get here in the US. A simplier system that would allow those of us to purchase what we'd want is not a bad idea.
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You were the one that said you were going to go buy a Ford:
"Either Honda will offer a Touring I4/6MT in the states and I'll buy it or I'll head across the street to Ford and get a Fusion. It has become that simple to me. "
I just said go ahead and do that.
You claim you are a Honda lover and a loyal customer. Is that the attitude of a person like that. Really? It seemed quite arrogant to me, which is why you got some Snape-ish answers in return.
I'm in favor of realistic and constructive suggestions for Honda. But you seem to want them to ditch their entire production system that they've had in place since the 1970s. I've outlined the advantages of this system. Can you see and acknowledge these advantages?
Why don't you write a letter with your suggestions to Honda? I mean that seriously. I think you should pare down your suggestions, but if that's not possible, send them all in....Why not?
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longhorn
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This may be a case of wait one year to get what you want. If the masses state the same we are saying here at TOV about having a Sport trim with EX-L amenities the dealers will yell all the way to Torrance and we will have the trim we want.
.........Or, the fact that the Sport is limited so in options may be the old Honda thinking of protecting Acura. Think about, if you could get an EX-l decked out in Sport trim, what need is there for the majority of consumers out there to move up to Acura?
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computernerd
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Rgist85 wrote:
Benbess,
Considering not one of us has asked you to write a letter or to "lobby" it would seem you'd be better off ignoring our commentary when it comes to the Accord, its trim levels and changes we'd like to see made.
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Thanks Rgist85, I saw my new best friend, Benbess and his multiple replies and I was going to respond, but you beat me to it and said everything I was going to say more eloquently then I could have said it. And just so you know Benbess, I will write a letter to American Honda asking for the 4 cylinder Touring to be offered in both CVT and manual and for the features in the sport trim to be made available for the EX and EX-L trims. These are reasonable requests and any good company would want such feedback from loyal repeat customers. I will reference this thread in my letter to show that there are many other loyal customers who agree.
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