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Nick GravesX
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Double J wrote:
I can understand about saving money and that makes sense. I did read a rumour that BMW and Toyota are working together on a sports car. Supra possibly? Honda and BMW tie up sounds a bit bizzare to me at this point.
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It's reportedly a technology swap - Hybrid drive for a Supra plank.
The BMW/Honda one therefore sounds unlikely, but just about every manufacturer IS talking/whoring with every other these days, so it's not impossible. Especially if BMW is 'window shopping' hybrid tech...
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Double J
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I find it odd that BMW and Toyota would swap a supra plank for a hybrid system Nick. Can't Toyota utilize the IS or GS chassis for that? Perhaps even those are very similar. Toyota giving up hybrid tech is beyond me since they are the perceived leader in hybrid tech. The LF-CC looks to me like a next generation IS coupe. I wonder what is underpinning that.
If Honda wants a RWD coupe which I certainly hope happens soon I would guess that they would want to manufacture it in NA to keep the cost under control. I wonder if Canadian and the Mexican plant will be over capacity? I hope they just make use of the HSV chassis unless they are talking about an affordable mid ship set up.
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RolledaNsx
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P54
Are you bi-polar? One moment you talk all anti rwd &sports car then the next your in the market for one?!
For somebody who reads everything on the web about Honda
you should known there was a replacement for the S2000.
The Lehman collapse ended it.
At the moment there is no resources..... all the factories are running above max output!!!!!!
And new ones being built to help with that.
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RolledaNsx
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I'll explain it better.
American Honda wants a rwd sports coupe not Tokyo.
Because of the high Yen they can't build it in in Japan.
It would have to be built in America and there is no capacity left to do that.So their keeping their ideas open to sharing.
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BachelorFrog
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Double J wrote:
I find it odd that BMW and Toyota would swap a supra plank for a hybrid system Nick. Can't Toyota utilize the IS or GS chassis for that? Perhaps even those are very similar. Toyota giving up hybrid tech is beyond me since they are the perceived leader in hybrid tech. The LF-CC looks to me like a next generation IS coupe. I wonder what is underpinning that.
If Honda wants a RWD coupe which I certainly hope happens soon I would guess that they would want to manufacture it in NA to keep the cost under control. I wonder if Canadian and the Mexican plant will be over capacity? I hope they just make use of the HSV chassis unless they are talking about an affordable mid ship set up.
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I think BMW-Toyota is not about chassis sharing. As per rumors the next IS is gonna be on FRS chassis.
IIRC, BMW is gonna get hybrid tech and Toyota will be getting diesel engines for European market with the condition that they dont put them in Lexus cars. ;)
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Double J
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RolledaNsx wrote:
I'll explain it better.
American Honda wants a rwd sports coupe not Tokyo.
Because of the high Yen they can't build it in in Japan.
It would have to be built in America and there is no capacity left to do that.So their keeping their ideas open to sharing.
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That would be astonishing if NA actually got a proper performance car and not Japan. Then again after they figured out that it actually sold they would probably bring out a Type R version in Japan and we would be SOL.
I understand the need for sharing but for God's sake just don't do anything with Hyundai.
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Double J
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BachelorFrog wrote:
Double J wrote:
I find it odd that BMW and Toyota would swap a supra plank for a hybrid system Nick. Can't Toyota utilize the IS or GS chassis for that? Perhaps even those are very similar. Toyota giving up hybrid tech is beyond me since they are the perceived leader in hybrid tech. The LF-CC looks to me like a next generation IS coupe. I wonder what is underpinning that.
If Honda wants a RWD coupe which I certainly hope happens soon I would guess that they would want to manufacture it in NA to keep the cost under control. I wonder if Canadian and the Mexican plant will be over capacity? I hope they just make use of the HSV chassis unless they are talking about an affordable mid ship set up.
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I think BMW-Toyota is not about chassis sharing. As per rumors the next IS is gonna be on FRS chassis.
IIRC, BMW is gonna get hybrid tech and Toyota will be getting diesel engines for European market with the condition that they dont put them in Lexus cars. ;)
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That seems more sensible.
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P54
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RolledaNsx wrote:
I'll explain it better.
American Honda wants a rwd sports coupe not Tokyo.
Because of the high Yen they can't build it in in Japan.
It would have to be built in America and there is no capacity left to do that.So their keeping their ideas open to sharing.
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Like I said do it in Mexico. Or maybe the designated factory for the new NSX in USA will have some time off as NSX won't be a high volume model.
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Nick GravesX
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Double J wrote:
BachelorFrog wrote:
Double J wrote:
I find it odd that BMW and Toyota would swap a supra plank for a hybrid system Nick. Can't Toyota utilize the IS or GS chassis for that? Perhaps even those are very similar. Toyota giving up hybrid tech is beyond me since they are the perceived leader in hybrid tech. The LF-CC looks to me like a next generation IS coupe. I wonder what is underpinning that.
If Honda wants a RWD coupe which I certainly hope happens soon I would guess that they would want to manufacture it in NA to keep the cost under control. I wonder if Canadian and the Mexican plant will be over capacity? I hope they just make use of the HSV chassis unless they are talking about an affordable mid ship set up.
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I think BMW-Toyota is not about chassis sharing. As per rumors the next IS is gonna be on FRS chassis.
IIRC, BMW is gonna get hybrid tech and Toyota will be getting diesel engines for European market with the condition that they dont put them in Lexus cars. ;)
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That seems more sensible.
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Actually, I think that's correct.
There was also discussion about BMW's comppsite tech and I got confused.
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DrWhiner
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Its a different world now since Lehman's collapse.Who would ever think the French(who dislike the germans with passion) own Infinity would use german(Mercedes) engines!
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All Ghosen cares about is cost and sales; the next G is reported to share not only C's engine but also its chassis.
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WongKN
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RolledaNsx wrote:
I'll explain it better.
American Honda wants a rwd sports coupe not Tokyo.
Because of the high Yen they can't build it in in Japan.
It would have to be built in America and there is no capacity left to do that.So their keeping their ideas open to sharing.
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OK, I know this is going to be a contentious subject, maybe might even lead to a flame war. But I am pleased that recently many have posted saying I tend to be polite and courteous. And the subject -is- quite important. So I will take the risk and hope it will lead to constructive discussion and maybe a more harmonious TOV community.
Now, bear in mind that while I have to highlight -some- forumers, I am -not- picking on anyone in particular. But this is about some 'phenomenon' here so there -will- be individuals who fits the focus of what I want to discuss.
Basically, I have always feel that TOV/TOVA have been particularly fortunate (or maybe I have not been visiting other forums/sites often enough) that we have Honda employees, even a retiree in our forum, granted many might be working in a Honda dealer. Still they -are- working for Honda. In addition, a few forumers have friends working inside 'invaluable' Honda departments, like HRE. And we (Jeff, myself, etc) also have our own 'friends' inside Honda.
Because of this great 'fortune', I have always been delighted to hear of 'insider' info. You guys knows who you are - several of you have been posting information I cannot find elsewhere.
But lately I have seen this phenomenon that these people's info and sometimes credibility are being questioned. E.g. our latest Honda retiree has often been questioned, and I think I have even read some posts asking if he might even be a 'fake'. Sometimes, the questioning comes in the form of a quote of some Honda press release or announcement, etc. Occasionally, the questioning comes in the form of directly targetting whatever was written.
Now, I do not know for a fact that any or all of our Honda employees/retirees are 'for real'. But I would very much like to give them the benefit of the doubt. If anything, thus far, whatever I have read, especially insider infor, I eventually found out are true, eventhough I may not necessarily share this confirmation due to obvious reasons.
The thing is I would like to highlight two things to anyone who might have doubts on the info. The quote above relates.
1. Very importantly is to bear in mind how insider infos are obtained. Perhaps you may not have experienced it and you might not know. But often, the juiciest insider info are from friends or supporters who tells you something completely 'taboo' in the heat of an interesting discussion. Sometimes they might want to share something with you because they are excited of it and they see someone as excited as them.
I myself, used to (in the past, not so often now), receive these kind of insider info from friends in Honda Malaysia and even visiting engineers from Honda R&D in Tochigi. Very often before or after I am told the info, I am always told 'please NEVER repeat this in your website or your forum'.
But in some occasions, we might want to share. But we -CANNOT- share. So what we do is we share whatever we think won't cause damage to the person who told us the info. My technique is I try to 'hint', I bury the info 'between the lines', I 'twist and turn' hoping the 'smarter' ones will see what I am trying to say, and so forth.
Sometimes I just don't share. For e.g., not sure if Jeff remembers it but if he does, he will confirm that I knew about the existence of the R18A that debutted in the 8Gen Civic way before anyone knew about it. My friend, who was the product manager for the Civic locally, told me he saw the engine, not that much details but it was 1.8l, SOHC and he didn't even know that engine code, just that it is a new 'series'. He says he remembers it was 'i-VTEC' but at that time we thought i-VTEC means VTEC+VTC but we can't really make VTC work on an SOHC head so some discussion, he was very unsure of that.
Eventually, months later when the Civic was launched, I saw exactly what he heard at that time. But how can I share this info because it is NOT supposed to be shared. Right after he picked up my phone call, he already clearly said "Mr Wong, PLEASE DON'T REPEAT THIS !!'.
I mean, it IS going to be 'super cool' to published articles about 'my source inside Honda tells me...' but you know what happens if you do that ? My 'source' inside Honda HQ, Tokyo, Japan who in charge of Honda product planning for worldwide has refused to talk to me now because I published a couple of articles in last year using info he gave me and made the mistake of saying 'my source'.
Published 'insider info' are fake, they are just romantic attempts by publications to try to make themselves look special and important. All insider info that are on print are probably plants by Honda, intentional info leaks. The -REAL- insider info, they usually CANNOT be shared openly. DEFINITELY not in an article that says "my source tells me".
So what happens when we DO want to share ? Like I said, I myself will NEVER write it openly. And so too I have noticed, others here on this website. In the quote above, IMHO, RolledaNsx has already broken the taboo by so clearly explaining something that I believe Honda does not want to be known.
2. Honda 'official' press releases and statements. Oh this, yes, it seems Honda is making more PR and 'official' statements nowadays. So many are saying that is the ONLY thing they take as truth, as facts. So anyone who tries to help the TOV community can be 'taken down' if their info is not confirmed or even worse, contradicts in some way to a Honda PR or OS.
But my REAL LIFE experience tells me that this is going to be unreliable, to say the least. Let me bring up -just- one example to tell you what I mean. The -official- Honda PRESS RELEASE for the new 9Gen Honda Civic for ASEAN -VERY PROUDLY- states that Honda is delighted to launch the superb new 9Gen Honda Civic in ASEAN, a car that has been -very successful- and widely received in the U.S. because it is the class 'BEST SELLER' and MARKET LEADER in the U.S. Now, YOU tell me how this ties with the information we now know that AHM is going to launch an urgent MMC for this model in the U.S. to address complaints it has received of the car. Do you agree that this new 9Gen Civic is 'very successful' in the U.S. because it is the 'best seller' (we all know how much arguements have been made about this by now).
See, Honda's -OFFICIAL- press releases only tells specific information that they want us to THINK. It MAY NOT be a complete representation of the facts and the truth. It may be based on the truth but can often be a -certain- 'point of view' of the truth.
So to close off this very long post, I would like to urge greater 'friendliness' and 'receptiveness' towards our TOV forumers who tries to tell us some 'info'. Even if you do not think it is accurate, do try to be open minded. What you do not know does not mean it does not exist. What you do know, is also not necessarily the accurate version. I know for a fact that these applies to me.
Hope I have not offended anyone.
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Stien Azani
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i impressed with your information..and most of your others info...never read/thought it anywhere before...
your writing show that you are not from USA...are you the insider from Honda Japan/Honda Europe??
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Stien Azani
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Stien Azani wrote:
i impressed with your information..and most of your others info...never read/thought it anywhere before...
your writing show that you are not from USA...are you the insider from Honda Japan/Honda Europe??
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to RolledaNsx
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Stien Azani
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RolledaNsx wrote:
Subjects to talk about:
1) R&D merger with some projects with another manufacture???? maybe too soon to announce.
2) The S2000 replacement. Built on the Fit platform.
S1600????
3) The Civic 'R'. There is two turbo engines in development.
The JHM ED R16 Turbo and the EU/Mugen K20 Turbo.
Maybe the first one for the World and the second one
Limited????
4) The hybrid 4 door mini/hatch Concept S????
5) Most likely everything because usually the CEO has the "STATE OF COMPANY PRESS CON" in June and it didn't happen ! Most likely he was waiting for the very important launch of the Accord.
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point no 2... is it S1600 = EV-Ster production?
ponit no 4.. Concept S production = replacement for Honda Edix? what about the rumor of Qashqai fighter? is it share the same platform as the Concept S?
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