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KBB Compact CrossOver Comparison    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-14-2012 05:48
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Small SUVs, Big Capabilities: 2012/2013 Compact Crossover Comparison

Winner: 2012 Honda CR-V EX-L Navi

With the exception of 2011, when Japan's catastrophic earthquake and Thailand flooding choked production down to a trickle, the CR-V has been the bestseller in this class for years, and often the bestseller of all SUVs, great and small. Which raises the tricky question of what's next?

Honda essentially invented the segment in 1995 with the first-generation CR-V, and subsequent generations have kept the Civic-based crossover at the front of the pack.

Introduced last fall, Honda's response to the "what's next" challenge was conservative, even cautious. The wheelbase is unchanged at 103.1 inches -- shortest in this group -- while length and height shrink an inch, to 178.1 and 65.1, respectively.

This puts the CR-V at the small end of our test-SUV spectrum, but in typical Honda fashion its interior volume seems to belie the exterior dimensions. Basic cargo capacity -- the space behind the rear seats -- is substantial at 37 cubic feet, as is the space with the rear seats folded: 71 cubic feet. There's also plenty of passenger room, front and rear, and numerous nooks and cubbies for small-object storage, another typical Honda strong suit.

Passive safety features are top drawer -- five stars overall from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

But the interior element that immediately grabs eyeballs is the quality of the materials, the straightforward logic of the various controls, the supportive front bucket seats, and the excellent forward sightlines. Honda's old advertising tagline -- "we make it simple" -- is in evidence here. Acclimating oneself to this vehicle is as easy as getting in, starting the engine, and driving off.

Pricing makes the CR-V's many strengths even more appealing. The window sticker bottom line on our EX-L Navi tester (Honda counts navigation-equipped vehicles as separate trim levels) was $29,575. This includes pretty much everything in the CR-V inventory -- (inhale) leather upholstery and trim, navigation system with voice recognition and rear view camera, power moonroof, DVD entertainment system, heated front seats with driver-side power adjustability, Bluetooth connectivity with streaming audio, USB audio interface and Pandora connectivity, SMS text messaging, 328-watt 7-speaker premium audio, 17-inch aluminum alloy wheels (exhale).

A power rear liftgate would be a useful addition to the foregoing, as would a blind-spot warning system, a la Ford. And, of course, in real 4-season climates all-wheel drive is always welcome -- and available, for a price. But beyond that, it's hard to think of anything to add.

One of the reasons Honda is able to offer the new CR-V with attractive pricing can be found in the powertrain. The engineers have squeezed a little more thrust out of the 2.4-liter engine -- now with 185 horsepower and 163 lb-ft of torque -- but while other carmakers are embracing the efficiency of direct fuel injection, Honda has been resisting the cost.

Honda also resisted the trend to 6-speed automatic transmissions -- the CR-V retains the 5-speed automatic of the previous generation. However, this doesn't seem to extract much of a fuel economy penalty -- at 23 mpg city/31 highway the CR-V's EPA ratings are competitive.

Similarly, the Honda's straight-line performance stacks up well versus its 6-speed rivals: 0-to-60 mph takes about 8.5 seconds.

The Honda CR-V isn't as entertaining an SUV to drive as the Ford Escape or the Mazda CX-5. The suspension tuning is softer, the new electric power steering system is novocaine numb, conveying essentially no information to the driver, and the evolutionary styling update, with its bigger rear roof pillar, creates a good-sized rear quarter blind spot.

But the CR-V's blend of smooth ride, smooth power, competitive fuel economy, outstanding assembly quality, first rate materials, quiet operation, exceptional comfort, and excellent value story trump its few soft points. Just as it trumps the rest of this field.
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Re: KBB Compact CrossOver Comparison    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-15-2012 09:22
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Thanks for the link. I wasn't expecting much, and I read it out of curiousity. KBB piece actually had solid content regarding the CR-V and its competitors.
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Re: KBB Compact CrossOver Comparison    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-17-2012 11:16
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KBB got it right with this review unlike the C&D review giving it to the CX-5 because it handles so well in a class where handling is not the #1 priority.

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Re: KBB Compact CrossOver Comparison    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-17-2012 12:43
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KMG1219 wrote:
KBB got it right with this review unlike the C&D review giving it to the CX-5 because it handles so well in a class where handling is not the #1 priority.




Handling might not be, but how about looks and fuel economy?
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Re: KBB Compact CrossOver Comparison    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-17-2012 15:33
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KMG1219 wrote:
KBB got it right with this review unlike the C&D review giving it to the CX-5 because it handles so well in a class where handling is not the #1 priority.




Handling might not be, but how about looks and fuel economy?



Based on the fact that they have been selling at 20k+plus a month I think the average buyer is satisfied with the looks.

Keep in mind the target market here. The target market buys this thing cause of the big H on the front.

I agree I don't care for the looks either and would much rather have a CX-5. Mazda's have always been a niche vehicle and they don't expect to sell the volume of a CRV, RAV4, or Escape which is why don't understand how they could engineer such a nice CUV and not give it a proper motor for those of us who want a sportier CUV. That's why I am leaning towards a 2.0 Ecoboost Escape for my wife. It has a good combo of looks, handing, and power. I am just not sure about he reliability.
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Re: KBB Compact CrossOver Comparison    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-17-2012 21:41
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Personally KBB has been producing some solid well thought out reviews. The editors are well spoken and make sensible conclusions.They have an enfasis more geared to the average consumer than the enthusiast. IMO its more like CR used to be analytical rather passionate.
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Re: KBB Compact CrossOver Comparison    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-18-2012 00:37
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KMG1219 wrote:
THX17201 wrote:
KMG1219 wrote:
KBB got it right with this review unlike the C&D review giving it to the CX-5 because it handles so well in a class where handling is not the #1 priority.




Handling might not be, but how about looks and fuel economy?



Based on the fact that they have been selling at 20k+plus a month I think the average buyer is satisfied with the looks.

Keep in mind the target market here. The target market buys this thing cause of the big H on the front.

I agree I don't care for the looks either and would much rather have a CX-5. Mazda's have always been a niche vehicle and they don't expect to sell the volume of a CRV, RAV4, or Escape which is why don't understand how they could engineer such a nice CUV and not give it a proper motor for those of us who want a sportier CUV. That's why I am leaning towards a 2.0 Ecoboost Escape for my wife. It has a good combo of looks, handing, and power. I am just not sure about he reliability.



I think the CR-V looks better than the Mazda and especially the Ford, which I think looks like a RAV4 that had sex with a Focus.

I am hoping that Honda sees great success with the "Sport" and "Touring" trims of the Accord (which, honestly, if they don't a lot of people will be scratching their heads) and adds and expands upon those ideas to their other vehicles. A CR-V Sport with 18-in wheels, quicker steering and an upgraded suspension would sell. A CR-V touring with HIDs/LEDs, power lift-gate and the radar cruise control (along with the safety stuff) would be worthwhile for Honda to have - obviously the RDX is right there - but not everybody wants a big V6 and/or the styling.
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Re: KBB Compact CrossOver Comparison    (Score: 1, Normal) 09-18-2012 09:57
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Yeah...I don't know about that. The CX-5 has the CR-V beat easily in exterior design.

 
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