To design and develop a top notch sports car now, it takes about 5-6 years and that's if there is no changes during development. So if the rumors are true and we are going to see the NSX in 2014 that means the design process started in 2008-2009. If you guys been falling Honda you would know they're the most secret of the automotive world. The top brass would never tell you anything until they have too. Ito wasn't going to say anything until it was in development and out of design process.
And don't be shocked if they named the GT the NSX because we didn't know.. it just had a project #.
The first Rwd mules came in close to project weight goals but had a hard time putting the power down! The SH-AWD fixed that but it came with a weight penalty!
All Honda blocks are built like a tank... they don't break... but they way alot.
So NSX 2.0 IS JUST MY NAME FOR IT SO PEOPLE WON'T GET IT CONFUSE WITH THE NEW MID-ENGINE CONCEPT...UNDERSTAND... THANKS
AND I HATE USING ACURA ADVANCED SPORTS CAR CONCEPT... I LIKE MY NAME
Also the car wasn't completed it still had about another year of development to go. And the guys directly on the project was hurt... you would be too after losing your baby!!!!!
But behind their backs R&D was worikng on the mid-engine kit
so in mid 2009 they power-point demo it to Ito and he bought it!
The best part of The LFA is the engine, the car looks like it belongs in a Sci-Fi movie.
And who made the engine? Yamaha?
And the 20+ years old NSX drives better than the LFA, according to some.
WingZ,
A car developed for ten years, costing billions of dollars and made to order (for maybe 500 customers) at a cost of approx. $400000 sure sounds like a dinosaur. Is the exhilarating engine sound worth it? Do people spend all that money for the thrill of the engine?
Just because the V10 from LFA weighed less than a regular V6 from Toyota do not mean that a Honda V10 would weigh less than a Honda V6 made the same way. A V6 has about 60% of the mass of a V6.
If RolledaNsx has 28 years with Honda he should have more inside info than you WingZ.
The video your referring to didn't say the NSX drove better and at the end of the video the editor said he took back his earlier negatives and praised the LFA.
I never said the Honda V10 would weigh less than a Honda V6. I simply asked Rolled if he knew how the V10 weighed since he claimed Honda was having balance problems with the car which when we all saw it in 2008 being driven on the Ring didn't seem to be having any handling problems at all.
If Rolled actually does have 28 years at Honda that would put him in his late 40's to early 50's depending on when he started. He's not carrying himself in the manner of someone in that age group.
I'm 43 and when some asks me a question I answer it. I don't call names and make up untruths about them. If I don't know the answer I'll say so. Point blank. His response was akin to someone in their teens or early 20's and uncalled for.
His statements go directly against public statements in print by Ito. If you even go back to Honda News in 2009 it was a very grim picture for enthusiasts. No more sportscars is what Ito was telling everyone.
Just from following comments on this site over the years and viewing other sources, I have to agree with WingZ on Ito’s original stance on sports cars. Andrew has even commented on this in the past and Ito did originally say there would be no NSX in the immediate future until Honda had enough cash stored and even then it would be environmentally friendly and not a dinosaur like the Toyota project, close enough to his words but not worth quotations.
As far as who’s legit and do have inside knowledge on this site, sometimes it’s hard to tell. RolledaNSX may or may not be who he claims to be, but it’s good to have insiders on this site just to feed us some bait once in a while. I do recall since Detiot RolledaNSX has provided some valuable news on the NSX, let’s hope it comes to fruition and we can all look back, things to make you wonder.
What's odd to me is whenever I mentioned what a buddy who was a parts supplier had told me I got checked real quick via private msg that Honda monitors the websites and if they think info is being linked they are quick to clean house.
Before NSX 2.0 was revealed there was a poster here who claimed to be a Honda insider and he was adamant that it would a front engine coupe. Was it classic Honda misdirection?? I can never tell;-(
This is interesting, since articles from December 2008 actually wrote that Fukui was the one who "announced" the cancellation. What does this mean? Ito, who wasn't CEO at the time, convinced Fukui that the V10 GT won't do; or is it really Fukui who pulled the plug, and Ito is taking the blame as the current CEO?
“The development of the NSX successor model equipped with V10 engine will be cancelled,” said Mr Fukui just days after Honda officially announced this year will be its last season in Formula One.
Also the car wasn't completed it still had about another year of development to go. And the guys directly on the project was hurt... you would be too after losing your baby!!!!!
But behind their backs R&D was worikng on the mid-engine kit
so in mid 2009 they power-point demo it to Ito and he bought it!
The best part of The LFA is the engine, the car looks like it belongs in a Sci-Fi movie.
And who made the engine? Yamaha?
And the 20+ years old NSX drives better than the LFA, according to some.
WingZ,
A car developed for ten years, costing billions of dollars and made to order (for maybe 500 customers) at a cost of approx. $400000 sure sounds like a dinosaur. Is the exhilarating engine sound worth it? Do people spend all that money for the thrill of the engine?
Just because the V10 from LFA weighed less than a regular V6 from Toyota do not mean that a Honda V10 would weigh less than a Honda V6 made the same way. A V6 has about 60% of the mass of a V6.
If RolledaNsx has 28 years with Honda he should have more inside info than you WingZ.
Wasn’t the initial proposal for the LFA a V8, but then Lexus switched midway because they claimed they couldn’t get the V8 to rev where they wanted and found packaging a V10 was easier? More like they got word Honda had a V10 cooking and wanted a piece of the fame. Lexus does nothing innovative and it seems like a joke for them to be claiming a supercar. A second example is the LF-LC, Acura announces Hybrid all wheel drive, now Lexus will try to steal the thunder and apply a similar concept, just because they have the money and can, I just hope Honda doesn’t reveal to many secretes on the V2 NSX, just release terror on the rest of the automotive world.
Not true at all. The LFA was a V-10 from the start, the size of a V-8 and weight of a V-6. What did change was the car went from aluminum to an in house carbon fiber shell. The LFA began planning around 2000 way before any V-10 NSX rolled around, I think the Honda HSC debuted around 2003 in Toyko as a V-6 hybrid on the show circuit. Next thing we know Honda then plans a V-10, front engine car on the show circuit with AWD.
The LFA beat the Ferrari GTO amazingly in EVO and they just stated the engine has more soul than the new F12!! Its been named already one of the top engines of all time. Its on par and compared to the best exotics around due to its full carbon fiber construction which only Pagani, Ferrari's top of the line cars and a few others can claim. You can not like the car but the experts around the world hail it as one of the greats already and just as good as the best exotic.
The LF-LC is actually driveable on its electric motors and it has an actual interior. The NSX concept so far is an exterior on top of a 20 year old NSX with 250k miles. It will be exciting to see both since both will be high HP AWD hybrids. Lexus just stated it will make at least 500hp. Lexus is clearly at the forefront with hybrids so not sure how they copied anyone.
Asia needs more fun and exciting cars and the GT-R, LFA and the LF-LC and NSX will add to that fun to a European dominated field.
Regarding the v8 I thought I read that somewhere in a motortrend magazine or maybe c&d,eitherway doesn't matter. Regarding the nsx the silver concept v2 as far as I know is not sitting on the v1 chasis, we don't know much about the chasis. The avengers car is the one sitting on the v1 nsx chasis. I would also have sworn the lfc debuted at detriot with rwd and hybrid power. Lexus has the money so naturally their concepts will be spruced up, I still think they are trying to be something they are not and will eventually catch up. Also with all the negative press honda was receiving it was clear the nsx concept was rushed before it was officially ready to be shown.
This is interesting, since articles from December 2008 actually wrote that Fukui was the one who "announced" the cancellation. What does this mean? Ito, who wasn't CEO at the time, convinced Fukui that the V10 GT won't do; or is it really Fukui who pulled the plug, and Ito is taking the blame as the current CEO?
“The development of the NSX successor model equipped with V10 engine will be cancelled,” said Mr Fukui just days after Honda officially announced this year will be its last season in Formula One.
Ito said what he said because he didn't like the car. It's said that the incoming CEO starts his agenda early for a smoother transition in Japanese car companies. I can't confirm that practice as I'm not Japanese but Ito said it and he didn't need to cover for Fukui for any reason.
You know they could be already running the "Ring"...
The come back: "but the spies would see it and we would have pictures" YES.... if they knew want to look for!
The first mule for the V10 GT used a S2000 body with a hard top.The spies did finally catch on because it had a bulge in the hood,wide tires and the exhaust.Also hard to hide that V10 sound at 9000 rpm.
Now how would you tell by seeing a hot 15 year old NSX lapping the Ring? You would just think it had aftermarket
goodies for the performance.The only way you would know it was the NSX 2.0 mule is to catch it in Econ mode... wow... that NSX just drove by me and it is silent!
RolledaNsx wrote: You know they could be already running the "Ring"...
The come back: "but the spies would see it and we would have pictures" YES.... if they knew want to look for!
The first mule for the V10 GT used a S2000 body with a hard top.The spies did finally catch on because it had a bulge in the hood,wide tires and the exhaust.Also hard to hide that V10 sound at 9000 rpm.
Now how would you tell by seeing a hot 15 year old NSX lapping the Ring? You would just think it had aftermarket
goodies for the performance.The only way you would know it was the NSX 2.0 mule is to catch it in Econ mode... wow... that NSX just drove by me and it is silent!
RolledaNsx wrote: Now how would you tell by seeing a hot 15 year old NSX lapping the Ring? You would just think it had aftermarket
goodies for the performance.The only way you would know it was the NSX 2.0 mule is to catch it in Econ mode... wow... that NSX just drove by me and it is silent!
So now you're suggesting GS Yuasa has accomplished the next major step forward in battery tech? For me, the tipping point for electric cars is a 300 mile range on a 2-hour 240 volt/6-hour 110 volt charge. Granted, that's at some pretty high amperages. And I assume that's still ten years off. Yes, I assume the "available during the next three years" part of the NSX 2.0 launch is due to battery tech unknowns. Other than batteries the car is ready to go today. Many of us now have power-by-the-hour charging stations near work so a full EV Civic commuter would be perfect.
By the way, where did the KERS motor tech fit into all of this?
sadlerau wrote: Yep that's the one, thanks! If they could make a front engined V8 NSX still look like an NSX v1, they should be able to do it with a mid engine mule??
That is a heavily cut-n-shut NA-series NSX and yes, it does make a prettier GT than the GT5000 did!
Nick Graves wrote: That is a heavily cut-n-shut NA-series NSX and yes, it does make a prettier GT than the GT5000 did!
Beauty in the eye of the beholder Nick? Is Naomi Watts less beautiful than Nicole Kidman or Charlize Theron?? They are all beautiful in their own way :)
Most of the TOV'S bloggers don't like hybrids! We all know the negative side (weight,range, etc ). Now lets look at the positives: Regenerating braking
In the mild systems and two motor systems it's no big deal....
we don't feel it to much!
But in a sport, race or multi motor system your going to feel it!
How?
First in the NSX your going to have three generators to keep the battery charged... just depends on the software mapping.
Also it's going be like "in easy terms" you have a "jake brake"! On the track your not going to have to worry to much about brake fade or wear.It's going to take some mapping to make it work evenly... its going to be a different feel.
It can lower braking distances alot!
RolledaNsx wrote: Most of the TOV'S bloggers don't like hybrids! We all know the negative side (weight,range, etc ). Now lets look at the positives: Regenerating braking
In the mild systems and two motor systems it's no big deal....
we don't feel it to much!
But in a sport, race or multi motor system your going to feel it!
How?
First in the NSX your going to have three generators to keep the battery charged... just depends on the software mapping.
Also it's going be like "in easy terms" you have a "jake brake"! On the track your not going to have to worry to much about brake fade or wear.It's going to take some mapping to make it work evenly... its going to be a different feel.
It can lower braking distances alot!
About bloody time!
With IMA, you might have well been farting in the appropriate direction and everyone was all a bit scratchy-head as to whether it was worth all the mass, expense & complexity. I could get about a 3bhp Jake Brake by switching on the a/c!
13bhp wasn't much cop. No wonder most people were distinctly underwhelmed by 1st-gen hybrids. The point was it proved the system, and it was a system that could be almost retro-fitted to an existing driveline. But buyers didn't really care about the point, merely the results.
Let's hope the new-gen batteries can take some SERIOUS cycling and make it Acura advance & retard properly.
We're talking about Honda's F1 KERS 3-phase AC motor tech being put to use in the NSX 2.0, right? There is no choice but to scale/dumb it down to make it reliable and give it a vastly increased duration of boost (an 80hp motor the size of a Thermos bottle, or a starter motor coincidentally, would be cool were it not for its 7 second cycle limit time).
Still, this is no longer IMA due to the need for inverter/variable frequency drive tech being built into the system. And it must be lightweight, inexpensive and not produce a massive amount of heat which would imply incredible energy recapture rates. Other than those challenges it's a piece of cake.
I assume the electric motor/generator on the gas engine will replace the starter motor and not the flywheel. Or will it be built into that new 7spd transmission?
Grace141 wrote: We're talking about Honda's F1 KERS 3-phase AC motor tech being put to use in the NSX 2.0, right? There is no choice but to scale/dumb it down to make it reliable and give it a vastly increased duration of boost (an 80hp motor the size of a Thermos bottle, or a starter motor coincidentally, would be cool were it not for its 7 second cycle limit time).
Still, this is no longer IMA due to the need for inverter/variable frequency drive tech being built into the system. And it must be lightweight, inexpensive and not produce a massive amount of heat which would imply incredible energy recapture rates. Other than those challenges it's a piece of cake.
I assume the electric motor/generator on the gas engine will replace the starter motor and not the flywheel. Or will it be built into that new 7spd transmission?
Lot of questions and so little real information! But the 7 second duration was something imposed by the FIA, and not necessarily a concept problem, though I acknowledge it being F1, they would have made the system only just big enough to provide the 7 seconds of boost!
Patience is a virtue, but it doesn't mean you have to enjoy it! :(
Really? And here I thought braking was limited by the maximum amount of traction the tires could exert.
If you can get ABS activation on a car, then the brakes already have more than enough braking capacity for a given tire selection.
SC
RolledaNsx wrote: Most of the TOV'S bloggers don't like hybrids! We all know the negative side (weight,range, etc ). Now lets look at the positives: Regenerating braking
Welcome to the new world of regenerating braking(not limited by amount of traction the tires can exert, the motors are putting resistance on the drive shafts) or if your a locomotive engineer this is old news.
Normally for better braking you use bigger rotors and more pistons on the calipers and ABS to keep it from locking-up. But your limited by the wheel diameter and heat build up on going bigger.
Electric-motor braking fixes that problem and the ECU and ABS keeps it from locking-up.
Wouldn't braking distance still be limited by available tire traction? Regardless of how much force is exerted onto the rotors and the driveshafts, the tires would just lock up right? Regen braking can put infinite force on the driveshafts, won't do squat for ultimate braking distance and today's braking systems provide far more stopping power than street tires allow for...
The ECU and ABS will keep the tire from locking up.
When you brake the weight of the car goes forward so the front brakes does most of the work or one tire is on a bad surface it would help in those situations.
Its just making the braking better just like adding carbon rotors every little thing in the end helps with stopping distance. :)
Maybe it's only 3 feet but 3 feet could save a live or win a race.
Im sorry if i came across as if it was going to be around 20 feet or more.
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