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xsr
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Bingo!
Keep us updated, I'm itching to get this
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DCR
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Don't hurt yourself with that 180 HP Church, we need you around here for sanity.
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superchg2
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Is that a Rotrex?
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Inspire97
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Very nice! My wife bought a CR-Z EX 6MT last December, so we'll be keeping an eye on this :)
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notyper
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Sure is. This is the totally CARB legal kit (which was in favor certified on this very car)
Just did my initial drive. 20 miles of stop and go and 100 miles at an average of 73 mph through mildly hilly terrain. A/C on the whole time. Still returned 37.5 mpg so I'd say the claims of no reduction in fuel economy during normal driving are accurate.
Now, about those tires....
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notyper
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Sure is. This is the totally CARB legal kit (which was in favor certified on this very car)
Just did my initial drive. 20 miles of stop and go and 100 miles at an average of 73 mph through mildly hilly terrain. A/C on the whole time. Still returned 37.5 mpg so I'd say the claims of no reduction in fuel economy during normal driving are accurate.
Now, about those tires....
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Inspire97
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Hi Shawn,
Do you know if the clutch was upgraded on this car? Is the electric assist reprogrammed at all?
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RolledaNsx
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It's FUN.... that early torque and it doesn't drop off until around 4700 rpm.... surprised a few at the stop light(didn't have stickers on it). But just getting very happy with the top end power and you have to shift( just spoiled with my blown s2000..."9000 rpm" and my 3.8l stroker NSX :7500-8000 rpm).
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notyper
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Everything on this car is completely stock except for the supercharger kit and ecu reflash. I haven't had any issues with the clutch so far and this car has had the supercharger for awhile.
I suppose if it had stickier tires there might be an issue. But right now it will light the tires up on a roll in first gear.
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sadlerau
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RolledaNsx wrote:
( just spoiled with my blown s2000..."9000 rpm" and my 3.8l stroker NSX :7500-8000 rpm).
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Yep, those two would spoil you for just about anything :)
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xsr
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I was concerned about having to upgrade the clutch as I've swapped my OEMs for stickier Yokos. Anyhoo, really psyched you are testing it Shawn as I trust your feedback and opinions.
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Nick GravesX
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Indeed, Shawn. Although I most certainly WON'T be buying one (the 86 rocks!), I'd still like to know if the sow's ear can be made into something a bit silkier...
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WongKN
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Will you be posting a short write-up of your driving impressions ? What about technical evaluation of the supercharged engine from a tuner's point of view ?
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notyper
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Yes. I'll be doing a full report after I've driven it for a few days.
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DCR
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notyper wrote:
Yes. I'll be doing a full report after I've driven it for a few days.
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I hope it includes the entire cost of the setup as well. The determining factor to me is the price necessary to squeeze blood from a rock.
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notyper
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Well it's going to be the retail cost of the system which is either $4k (you tune - no engine mgmt provided), $4.5k (complete kit with reflash) or $5k (tuner kit with flashpro and calibration). Install time will probably bill at 8 hours of labor give or take, so figure $600-$800 for install depending on discounts, etc. The average person will probably get out the door for around $5k.
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TonyEX
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I'm still mad at Jackson Racing.
I called them back in '02 to see if they had a Cold Air Intake for an Odyssey or if they were investigating a chip...
The phone went silent for like a minute... I don't know if the guy was having a heart attack or he was just laughing his head off... whatever.
Anyhow, I proved them wrong. The non VCM Odyssey is DA VAN for the race track. I guess I was ahead of the curve.
I supposed I should have driven the OTR to their parking lot and done some dougnuts with the sticky tires. :-P
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What is the horsepower at the wheels?
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sadlerau
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JIRZLEE wrote:
What is the horsepower at the wheels?
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180hp inferred from DCR's post above?
Shawn, a "first impressions" post is in order I would think?
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WongKN
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sadlerau wrote:
JIRZLEE wrote:
What is the horsepower at the wheels?
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180hp inferred from DCR's post above?
Shawn, a "first impressions" post is in order I would think?
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YES YES, YES PLEASE !!
I hope you don't mind Shawn that I will be putting your impressions into TOVA. News of this Jackson CR-Z is now appearing in Malaysia but so far as I know, -no Malaysian publication- has driven it yet so this gives me a scoop for Malaysia.
Also, there are discussions about what engine management alternatives there are to Hondata as some market's CR-Z uses an ECU that is different from the USDM/JDM one and thus there is no Flashpro for them, e.g. ASEAN. A piggy back will work from what I understand. It used to be some people go the cheap and dirty way with a simple fuel riser (fuel pressure regulator) in the distant past. That would not work now I assume, since modern Honda engines don't use a fuel pressure regulator anymore from what I understand. Is that correct ? Any other thoughts ?
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notyper wrote:
Well it's going to be the retail cost of the system which is either $4k (you tune - no engine mgmt provided), $4.5k (complete kit with reflash) or $5k (tuner kit with flashpro and calibration). Install time will probably bill at 8 hours of labor give or take, so figure $600-$800 for install depending on discounts, etc. The average person will probably get out the door for around $5k.
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That's probably about right for the HKS/Mugen kit over here; £=$ prices almost exactly when buying car & car stuff. I've just not heard of anyone bothering to order one in the UK and Mugen's gone very quiet about it.
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WongKN
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I think eventually the price/cost of most competing kits should end up about similar, unless some drastic cost cutting was done or some especially premium items is used. One might be curious as to why spend so much on a car that wasn't really designed with power in mind in the first place. I suppose that is something hardcore enthusiasts might ask. The actual mindset of a CR-Z owner can be quite different however. I guess in the end, the truth is the market is changing and so are the mindset of a new generation of enthusiast.
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| The actual mindset of a CR-Z own.er can be quite different however. I guess in the end, the truth is the market is changing and so are the mindset of a new generation of enthusiast. |
Things change yet things will stay the same.
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Dren
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WongKN wrote:
I think eventually the price/cost of most competing kits should end up about similar, unless some drastic cost cutting was done or some especially premium items is used. One might be curious as to why spend so much on a car that wasn't really designed with power in mind in the first place. I suppose that is something hardcore enthusiasts might ask. The actual mindset of a CR-Z owner can be quite different however. I guess in the end, the truth is the market is changing and so are the mindset of a new generation of enthusiast.
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Not all the enthusiasts I know at autocross events. They all dog the CRZ. I am quite curious to see what Shawn thinks about this one. Isn't Honda supposed to put out an Si or some upgraded version?
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WongKN
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It's not the issue of physical age, rather the way life is. As the market's most visible segment starts to 'change generations', i.e. the Gen Y's or whatever, it look as if the market is being taken over. The change in society in general and perceptions, the way of life, etc, all change. But that is on the surface. What is not seen is that the previous 'generation' who have been dominating the market are still around but has moved into the background, the 'silent majority' so to speak. And possibly with better spending power, wiser outlooks and perhaps a more demanding expectation and most likely a tighter hand on the wallet (less willing to spend). But it is always the new segment which is the most visible. Whether or not it is wise for a manufacturer to shift all their focus into this new segment, put all their eggs into one basket so to speak, remains to be seen. Some like Honda seems to have embraced it until recently, if we are to believe what is being said now. Others have never left it. Hmm... I wonder if what I just wrote made any sense... LOL !!!
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WongKN
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Dren wrote:
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Not all the enthusiasts I know at autocross events. They all dog the CRZ. I am quite curious to see what Shawn thinks about this one. Isn't Honda supposed to put out an Si or some upgraded version?
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You have not been following the 'Erik Bergman' thread ? Someone there who very likely knows what he is talking about has explained that it (the CR-Z Si) has been in development for 2 years already. But supposedly Honda went and let some British media test the prototype and their feedback caused Honda to hesitate.
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sadlerau
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WongKN wrote:
You have not been following the 'Erik Bergman' thread ? Someone there who very likely knows what he is talking about has explained that it (the CR-Z Si) has been in development for 2 years already. But supposedly Honda went and let some British media test the prototype and their feedback caused Honda to hesitate.
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Yes, but the problem from the motoring journalist's point of view was the cost of the "sporty" version of the CRZ. Which has always been a Honda problem me thinks. Imagine what a seller the S2000 would have been had it been developed to sell at F86/BRZ prices??
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CR-V9
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WongKN wrote:
It's not the issue of physical age, rather the way life is. As the market's most visible segment starts to 'change generations', i.e. the Gen Y's or whatever, it look as if the market is being taken over. The change in society in general and perceptions, the way of life, etc, all change. But that is on the surface. What is not seen is that the previous 'generation' who have been dominating the market are still around but has moved into the background, the 'silent majority' so to speak.
[ ...] Some like Honda seems to have embraced it until recently, if we are to believe what is being said now. Others have never left it. Hmm... I wonder if what I just wrote made any sense... LOL !!!
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Younger ones are always the "majority" whether they are majority or not because they're the future and 'now'.
When you're not sure what you're saying makes sense or not that is when you're getting it
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Dren
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WongKN wrote:
Dren wrote:
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Not all the enthusiasts I know at autocross events. They all dog the CRZ. I am quite curious to see what Shawn thinks about this one. Isn't Honda supposed to put out an Si or some upgraded version?
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You have not been following the 'Erik Bergman' thread ? Someone there who very likely knows what he is talking about has explained that it (the CR-Z Si) has been in development for 2 years already. But supposedly Honda went and let some British media test the prototype and their feedback caused Honda to hesitate.
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What was the suspected pricing of the car?
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