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CB77
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2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2012 18:50
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Now we get bulging tail lights. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate camera angle.








according2kev
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2012 19:00
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The 8G has bulging taillights also.
ClementZ
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2012 19:06
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CB77 wrote:


Now we get bulging tail lights. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate camera angle.











They bulge (could've been easily avoided if Honda had pulled the sheetmetal back, instead of pulling the tailights forward), but again, as with the headlights, I don't think it looks bad.
This picture is probably exaggerating it though. Look at how huge the trunk looks compared to the rear glass.
P54
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2012 19:49
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The wrong camera lens can distort anything, from cars to faces. Do the same "trick" with the photographers face and the nose will look bigger than his/her head.
THX17201
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2012 20:00
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CB77 wrote:


Now we get bulging tail lights. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate camera angle.











It is most definitely a horrible camera angle, it will not look like that in real life...
according2kev
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2012 20:24
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The lights do have a slight bulge but it doesn't look bad IMO. As others have said, that angle tricks the eye. You can't see how they flow with the fenders. Here are some better pictures discovered by TOV member NJ.


danielgr
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2012 20:31
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CB77 wrote:
Now we get bulging tail lights. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate camera angle.


Well, that shot is certainly taken with a wide angle camera positioned pretty close to the car, so it's heavily distorted.

That said, the taillights bulge, and I did notice that as a major difference from the rounded edges on a Hyundai in another thread. I wouldn't be surprised if when looked from another car on the road (which is how most people look at car's rear end) they didn't gave it a much more Accord-like squared profile.
P54
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2012 21:36
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danielgr wrote:
CB77 wrote:
Now we get bulging tail lights. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate camera angle.


Well, that shot is certainly taken with a wide angle camera positioned pretty close to the car, so it's heavily distorted.

That said, the taillights bulge, and I did notice that as a major difference from the rounded edges on a Hyundai in another thread. I wouldn't be surprised if when looked from another car on the road (which is how most people look at car's rear end) they didn't gave it a much more Accord-like squared profile.



Aerodynamic reasons, same with Euro Civic.
garoto628
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2012 23:09
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P54 wrote:
danielgr wrote:
CB77 wrote:
Now we get bulging tail lights. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate camera angle.


Well, that shot is certainly taken with a wide angle camera positioned pretty close to the car, so it's heavily distorted.

That said, the taillights bulge, and I did notice that as a major difference from the rounded edges on a Hyundai in another thread. I wouldn't be surprised if when looked from another car on the road (which is how most people look at car's rear end) they didn't gave it a much more Accord-like squared profile.



Aerodynamic reasons, same with Euro Civic.



I hate the rear of this car. Look at that HUGE compartment for the license plate. Seriously, does the main focus of the design of the rear HAVE to be the license plate?

Absolute crap, at least it is to me.
ClementZ
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2012 23:25
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garoto628 wrote:
P54 wrote:
danielgr wrote:
CB77 wrote:
Now we get bulging tail lights. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate camera angle.


Well, that shot is certainly taken with a wide angle camera positioned pretty close to the car, so it's heavily distorted.

That said, the taillights bulge, and I did notice that as a major difference from the rounded edges on a Hyundai in another thread. I wouldn't be surprised if when looked from another car on the road (which is how most people look at car's rear end) they didn't gave it a much more Accord-like squared profile.



Aerodynamic reasons, same with Euro Civic.



I hate the rear of this car. Look at that HUGE compartment for the license plate. Seriously, does the main focus of the design of the rear HAVE to be the license plate?

Absolute crap, at least it is to me.



It's big to accommodate longer licence plates; such as those found in Europe.
danielgr
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-18-2012 23:46
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garoto628 wrote:
P54 wrote:
danielgr wrote:
CB77 wrote:
Now we get bulging tail lights. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate camera angle.


Well, that shot is certainly taken with a wide angle camera positioned pretty close to the car, so it's heavily distorted.

That said, the taillights bulge, and I did notice that as a major difference from the rounded edges on a Hyundai in another thread. I wouldn't be surprised if when looked from another car on the road (which is how most people look at car's rear end) they didn't gave it a much more Accord-like squared profile.
Aerodynamic reasons, same with Euro Civic.


I hate the rear of this car. Look at that HUGE compartment for the license plate. Seriously, does the main focus of the design of the rear HAVE to be the license plate?

Absolute crap, at least it is to me.


It's funny, to me it helps creating a much cleaner rear by removing one surface, as well as helping to remove visual weight on the license plate itself (as opposed to the usual designs where you first have a part of the trunk lid aligned with the tail-lights, then yet another hole to accommodate the license plate). Might just be me though...

That said, I've said it elsewhere but I don't understand how could anyone "hate" such an otherwise traditional rear styling. Not like Honda had done an Acura beak or something... I mean, you may like it more or less, sure style is subjective, but for sure this design can't be seen as "polarizing" or "love it or hate it" ...
garoto628
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-19-2012 00:30
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danielgr wrote:
garoto628 wrote:
P54 wrote:
danielgr wrote:
CB77 wrote:
Now we get bulging tail lights. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate camera angle.


Well, that shot is certainly taken with a wide angle camera positioned pretty close to the car, so it's heavily distorted.

That said, the taillights bulge, and I did notice that as a major difference from the rounded edges on a Hyundai in another thread. I wouldn't be surprised if when looked from another car on the road (which is how most people look at car's rear end) they didn't gave it a much more Accord-like squared profile.
Aerodynamic reasons, same with Euro Civic.


I hate the rear of this car. Look at that HUGE compartment for the license plate. Seriously, does the main focus of the design of the rear HAVE to be the license plate?

Absolute crap, at least it is to me.


It's funny, to me it helps creating a much cleaner rear by removing one surface, as well as helping to remove visual weight on the license plate itself (as opposed to the usual designs where you first have a part of the trunk lid aligned with the tail-lights, then yet another hole to accommodate the license plate). Might just be me though...

That said, I've said it elsewhere but I don't understand how could anyone "hate" such an otherwise traditional rear styling. Not like Honda had done an Acura beak or something... I mean, you may like it more or less, sure style is subjective, but for sure this design can't be seen as "polarizing" or "love it or hate it" ...



Hate may be a stretch. But I truly dislike it, I'm hoping that when I see it in person things may change.

At the other end, there's the previous generation Infiniti G coupe, where there's literally no emphasis on the license plate whatsoever. I like that, although their implementation of that fits well with the sporty g, won't do so well with something like an accord. Something in between maybe.
danielgr
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-19-2012 02:03
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garoto628 wrote:
Hate may be a stretch. But I truly dislike it, I'm hoping that when I see it in person things may change.
[...]
Well, for sure real life looks nothing like this picture... You can just check out some of the other photos on the same series taken from a decent distance with not much lenses deformation.
ciwai08
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-19-2012 03:37
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CB77 wrote:


Now we get bulging tail lights. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate camera angle.








Actually its a very good camera angle and perfectly illustrates why its only in terms of graphics that it resembles the genesis....its a lot more dimensional in terms of form and in proportion it takes the horizontal theme to another level--which makes it very traditional in terms of the heritage of the accord.
ciwai08
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-19-2012 04:00
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BTW, those aren't "bulging" taillights....its continuity of form. The previous accord had a squarish form sticking out of a rounded fender. It was as bad on the odyssey, but I guess because its a minivan no one really noticed.

P54
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-19-2012 17:04
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garoto628 wrote:
P54 wrote:
danielgr wrote:
CB77 wrote:
Now we get bulging tail lights. Hopefully this is just an unfortunate camera angle.


Well, that shot is certainly taken with a wide angle camera positioned pretty close to the car, so it's heavily distorted.

That said, the taillights bulge, and I did notice that as a major difference from the rounded edges on a Hyundai in another thread. I wouldn't be surprised if when looked from another car on the road (which is how most people look at car's rear end) they didn't gave it a much more Accord-like squared profile.



Aerodynamic reasons, same with Euro Civic.



I hate the rear of this car. Look at that HUGE compartment for the license plate. Seriously, does the main focus of the design of the rear HAVE to be the license plate?

Absolute crap, at least it is to me.



For those of you that do not realize how pictures at will can be distorted by using wide angle lenses I'll give you some samples. To make negative comments on a car by viewing photos or even to turn a car down because of a photo is ridiculous. The photographers position, angle, lights and lens he/she is using can produce pictures totally out of proportion.




CarPhreakD
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-19-2012 19:05
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Bulging tail and headlights are there not just because of styling, but aerodynamics. The bulging headlights aided in moving wind away from the mirrors, for example... a large source of cabin noise.
danielgr
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-19-2012 21:12
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CarPhreakD wrote:
Bulging tail and headlights are there not just because of styling, but aerodynamics. The bulging headlights aided in moving wind away from the mirrors, for example... a large source of cabin noise.

I guess nobody is arguing against it. The question is :
• should that be made with sheet metal, allowing for the tail lights not to "bulge" or,
• should the tail lights contribute shaping the car like Honda has done (both in the exterior and interior sides in this case)?

Clearly some people like cars shape to be fully determined by metal, with the tail-lights simply adding a bit of color here and there.

Clearly though it seems that the trend keeps moving towards the second, and Honda is not alone ...
garoto628
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-19-2012 22:48
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danielgr wrote:
garoto628 wrote:
Hate may be a stretch. But I truly dislike it, I'm hoping that when I see it in person things may change.
[...]
Well, for sure real life looks nothing like this picture... You can just check out some of the other photos on the same series taken from a decent distance with not much lenses deformation.




The other Accord photos certainly didn't look this bad. The car is okay, I just wish their approach was a little less bold (it's not too bold though). I like the pre-mmc 7th gen accord and post-mmc 6th gen accord tail lights. I also like Audi's approach to the rear of their cars (and their entire lineup and areas of most their cars).
Fan Koni
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-20-2012 02:39
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danielgr wrote:
CarPhreakD wrote:
Bulging tail and headlights are there not just because of styling, but aerodynamics. The bulging headlights aided in moving wind away from the mirrors, for example... a large source of cabin noise.

I guess nobody is arguing against it. The question is :
• should that be made with sheet metal, allowing for the tail lights not to "bulge" or,
• should the tail lights contribute shaping the car like Honda has done (both in the exterior and interior sides in this case)?

Clearly some people like cars shape to be fully determined by metal, with the tail-lights simply adding a bit of color here and there.

Clearly though it seems that the trend keeps moving towards the second, and Honda is not alone ...


It is a cost issue; shaping plastic to exact geometries vs. metal - easier to perfect on road noise etc. is easier on pedestrian crash tests and very importantly keeps insurances happier.
CarPhreakD
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-20-2012 18:17
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That's a really good answer Fan!
Gfn8r
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Re: 2013 Accord Sedan: They fixed the bulging headlights, but...    (Score: 1, Normal) 08-20-2012 19:30
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Yes..if that bumper cover is even "love-tapped," its probably just as cost-effective, if not more, to replace it, given the angles and creases (unless a body shop really knows what it's doing).
 
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