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To fix the cheap interior, choppy ride and low MPG,
Honda is going to have to cut corners somewhere else.
The upgrade interior(better materials,pandora etc) LED
lights and DI engine cost money but Honda has to still keep the profit margin high because the Accord is their money maker in America.
So it looks like the Accord is losing Double-Wishbone suspension, they can tell you it was done because of space(short overhang) if you believe that your smoking
some good weed!It was done on cost.
We're getting the Accord the press wanted except
a wild exterior but if you know Honda they don't f_ _k
with their bread maker on looks...built for the masses.
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Could've been worst. I thought in worse case scenario it would suddenly get a torsion beam
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A77
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I am not smoking anything, but on this occasion I may be prepared to believe that it was done for packaging reasons not cost. Also remember the car has to house a hybrid power plant. The 7 gen accord could not have a four cyl hybrid as there simply wasnt room. Sure, this is a different hybrid system, and we don't yet know what space constraints it imposes, but all told I am willing to reckon it's no just a bean counter move. The difference between decent struts and dbw and between IRS and torsion bars is of far more magnitude of course.
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ClementZ
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A77 wrote:
I am not smoking anything, but on this occasion I may be prepared to believe that it was done for packaging reasons not cost. Also remember the car has to house a hybrid power plant. The 7 gen accord could not have a four cyl hybrid as there simply wasnt room. Sure, this is a different hybrid system, and we don't yet know what space constraints it imposes, but all told I am willing to reckon it's no just a bean counter move. The difference between decent struts and dbw and between IRS and torsion bars is of far more magnitude of course.
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I'm not sure that's why the 7th gen didn't have an I4 hybrid. The V6 hybrid fit just fine (not sure if the suspension was changed for this model).
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Gfn8r
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ClementZ wrote:
A77 wrote:
I am not smoking anything, but on this occasion I may be prepared to believe that it was done for packaging reasons not cost. Also remember the car has to house a hybrid power plant. The 7 gen accord could not have a four cyl hybrid as there simply wasnt room. Sure, this is a different hybrid system, and we don't yet know what space constraints it imposes, but all told I am willing to reckon it's no just a bean counter move. The difference between decent struts and dbw and between IRS and torsion bars is of far more magnitude of course.
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I'm not sure that's why the 7th gen didn't have an I4 hybrid. The V6 hybrid fit just fine (not sure if the suspension was changed for this model).
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Suspension was untouched. But consider the additonal plug-in requirements, crash-cage, etc., on the 9th-Gens.
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TheGandalf
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Gfn8r wrote:
ClementZ wrote:
A77 wrote:
I am not smoking anything, but on this occasion I may be prepared to believe that it was done for packaging reasons not cost. Also remember the car has to house a hybrid power plant. The 7 gen accord could not have a four cyl hybrid as there simply wasnt room. Sure, this is a different hybrid system, and we don't yet know what space constraints it imposes, but all told I am willing to reckon it's no just a bean counter move. The difference between decent struts and dbw and between IRS and torsion bars is of far more magnitude of course.
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I'm not sure that's why the 7th gen didn't have an I4 hybrid. The V6 hybrid fit just fine (not sure if the suspension was changed for this model).
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Suspension was untouched. But consider the additonal plug-in requirements, crash-cage, etc., on the 9th-Gens.
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Exactly!!!
And as I have stated before, as hard as it's been for me to wait :), as soon as a actually do a test drive, I will be in a position to truthfully thank them if the product comes out as I think it will.
In the off chance I get disapointed, that means I'll have to test drive any other options and do a comparison and choose the best product (after testing them all, it could still be the Accord.
I think Honda learned the lesson and will not ruin the Accord (some enthousiast my resent the lack of DWB enough to go elsewhere, but I think overall Honda will do fine).
I am actually very excited about this car!
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Consumer Reports gave their opinion on a product just the same as you and I can give our opinions, yet that makes them bad? If anything, the negative statements CR gave the Civic pretty much set the foundation for Honda to realize that it needed significant improvements to be complete competitive. Honda even stated that they misjudged the state of the economy and thought consumers would want a "cheaper" car while all of the competition went the other direction. I admit, CR was a bit too harsh BUT I think CR (like myself and others here) knew Honda made a mistake and know Honda is perfectly capable at making a great product. In the end it's Honda's fault.
~Patrick
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A77
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ClementZ wrote:
A77 wrote:
I am not smoking anything, but on this occasion I may be prepared to believe that it was done for packaging reasons not cost. Also remember the car has to house a hybrid power plant. The 7 gen accord could not have a four cyl hybrid as there simply wasnt room. Sure, this is a different hybrid system, and we don't yet know what space constraints it imposes, but all told I am willing to reckon it's no just a bean counter move. The difference between decent struts and dbw and between IRS and torsion bars is of far more magnitude of course.
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I'm not sure that's why the 7th gen didn't have an I4 hybrid. The V6 hybrid fit just fine (not sure if the suspension was changed for this model).
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There wasnt room in the engine bay of the i4. But there was in the V6 - which doesnt take up so much width. Strange...but true.
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THX17201
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CivicB18 wrote:
Consumer Reports gave their opinion on a product just the same as you and I can give our opinions, yet that makes them bad? If anything, the negative statements CR gave the Civic pretty much set the foundation for Honda to realize that it needed significant improvements to be complete competitive. Honda even stated that they misjudged the state of the economy and thought consumers would want a "cheaper" car while all of the competition went the other direction. I admit, CR was a bit too harsh BUT I think CR (like myself and others here) knew Honda made a mistake and know Honda is perfectly capable at making a great product. In the end it's Honda's fault.
~Patrick
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Couldn't have said it better myself!
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FiSH-Chan
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CivicB18 wrote:
Consumer Reports gave their opinion on a product just the same as you and I can give our opinions, yet that makes them bad? If anything, the negative statements CR gave the Civic pretty much set the foundation for Honda to realize that it needed significant improvements to be complete competitive. Honda even stated that they misjudged the state of the economy and thought consumers would want a "cheaper" car while all of the competition went the other direction. I admit, CR was a bit too harsh BUT I think CR (like myself and others here) knew Honda made a mistake and know Honda is perfectly capable at making a great product. In the end it's Honda's fault.
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Well that is one way to put it. Basically I would agree with you on the last two sentence, but having driven a new Civic (the ASEAN model) I am scratching my head at why I am not seeing it as bad as CR or others made it out too be. It is possible that only the NA versions are cheapen to unbelieveble levels.
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CivicB18
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FiSH-Chan wrote:
CivicB18 wrote:
Consumer Reports gave their opinion on a product just the same as you and I can give our opinions, yet that makes them bad? If anything, the negative statements CR gave the Civic pretty much set the foundation for Honda to realize that it needed significant improvements to be complete competitive. Honda even stated that they misjudged the state of the economy and thought consumers would want a "cheaper" car while all of the competition went the other direction. I admit, CR was a bit too harsh BUT I think CR (like myself and others here) knew Honda made a mistake and know Honda is perfectly capable at making a great product. In the end it's Honda's fault.
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Well that is one way to put it. Basically I would agree with you on the last two sentence, but having driven a new Civic (the ASEAN model) I am scratching my head at why I am not seeing it as bad as CR or others made it out too be. It is possible that only the NA versions are cheapen to unbelieveble levels.
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I think it's a combination of things Fish as the Civics competiion (especially the domestics) have significantly improved their products, material quality, build quality and overall performance while the Civic only went forward with a bit of added refinement but went backwards in tactile performance, overall performance and material quality. The Civic used to be THE compact car now it's just a compact car. Honda can do better!
~Patrick
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owequitit
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A77 wrote:
I am not smoking anything, but on this occasion I may be prepared to believe that it was done for packaging reasons not cost. Also remember the car has to house a hybrid power plant. The 7 gen accord could not have a four cyl hybrid as there simply wasnt room. Sure, this is a different hybrid system, and we don't yet know what space constraints it imposes, but all told I am willing to reckon it's no just a bean counter move. The difference between decent struts and dbw and between IRS and torsion bars is of far more magnitude of course.
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Except that this isn't a 7th gen. The 8th gen is well over an inch wider than the 7th gen was. If GM can shove a small block V8 and planetary automatic into roughly the same space, then Honda should be able to do better than this. Sorry, but the "old" Honda would have found a way to accomodate both goals.
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