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Could we please just ONCE not argue and insult each other in a discussion! Every single thread I view on this website has somebody posting something and then someone else arguing over it.
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superchg2
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Could we please just ONCE not argue and insult each other in a discussion! Every single thread I view on this website has somebody posting something and then someone else arguing over it.
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It's not quite that simple. When insults are thrown at our Police and Fire Fighter's, especially after the events that occurred in Aurora, Colorado this week, it's unrealistic to expect people to remain silent!
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Rgist85
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superchg2 wrote:
xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Could we please just ONCE not argue and insult each other in a discussion! Every single thread I view on this website has somebody posting something and then someone else arguing over it.
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It's not quite that simple. When insults are thrown at our Police and Fire Fighter's, especially after the events that occurred in Aurora, Colorado this week, it's unrealistic to expect people to remain silent!
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So on the 8th of next month we'll finally see official pics of the Accord...great, this should be around the same time Honda "Chart's the Changes" for the 2013 Honda lineup, so perhaps we'll know what changes the 2013 Civic and CrossTour will receive as well. Can't wait to see the official pics!
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MarkR
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Maybe ADMIN can lock this thread!?
I hope this forum can remain a friendly place. Every country has it's pros and cons, all are good to live in, we all come together around Honda, which in a way shows the success of the company.
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DCR
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MarkR wrote:
Maybe ADMIN can lock this thread!?
I hope this forum can remain a friendly place. Every country has it's pros and cons, all are good to live in, we all come together around Honda, which in a way shows the success of the company.
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Nope, you just ban the repeat offender, yet again. Then, when he signs back up, starts acting stupid again, you ban again. It is a pain in the ass, but that is all he is, so...
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superchg2
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DCR wrote:
MarkR wrote:
Maybe ADMIN can lock this thread!?
I hope this forum can remain a friendly place. Every country has it's pros and cons, all are good to live in, we all come together around Honda, which in a way shows the success of the company.
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Nope, you just ban the repeat offender, yet again. Then, when he signs back up, starts acting stupid again, you ban again. It is a pain in the ass, but that is all he is, so...
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I don't think Boris Honda has been banned, so far.
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TonyEX
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jfavour wrote:
Boris,
The answer to your question is varied and complicated and likely has many plausible explanations, but I will offer one man's unscientific reasoning.
Thomas Jefferson dreamed up the Land Ordinance of 1785, which divided the unsettled lands of the US's western territories into 6-square mile townships. These townships consisted of 36 1-square mile sections, which were sold off to raise money for the fledgling US government.
This act created miles and miles of straight roads in the US. In my youth, if I wanted to take my car out for some fun, I went on one of these paved country backroads. In general these roads were flat to rolling (topographically) and had mile or longer stretches where you could really gather up some speed with little danger in hurting anyone else. The type of car needed/wanted for this kind of activity is a car with a lot of horsepower.
This country is also enormous, with a lot of undeveloped space between most of our major cities. Getting from place to place takes time and speed helps reduce that travel time.
Times have changed and the US is much more urban than it was in my youth, but I think the HP desire has persisted. It was ingrained in me by my Father and my friends parents who wanted a big engine (for speed, for towing, for ego reasons, etc.). Bigger, stronger, faster was better.
I currently drive a 4cyl 160 hp 2002 CR-V. It is a good, but slow car. I don't tow, I don't care about not having the big engine, and I drive it mostly in the city, with fairly strict speed enforcement and very little chance to find that open country (straight) road for a fun burst of speed.
Besides, if a competitor offers a more powerful engine with similar FE, then why not get the one with more power?
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Aaah... those little roads in the East Coast.
Over here, in the West... actually, pretty much anywhere east of the Mississippi is not uncommon to find stretches of straight roads for 20 miles or more... much more... specially in the interstates and the midwestern farm states.
Vide... the I5 on the California Central Valley.... I think it's a straight road for 200+ miles. Also, the I70 across Eastern Utah...
Imagine a straight road that ran from Paris to Vichy... huh?
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TonyEX
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atomiclightbulb wrote:
My parents are immigrants to America, and although they became U.S. citizens and took full advantage of the work opportunities afforded here, they have always been uncomfortable with the excesses and wastefulness of the "natives".
My parents believed in living frugally and within their means. They do not understand why the culture they moved into wanted Gigantic homes, gas-guzzling SUVs, and maxed-out credit cards. The "bigger is better" mantra seems pretty stupid to them. I'm inclined to agree. Many Americans seem to believe that "freedom" is all about living Large and Irresponsibly, and then whining about not getting their special government tax breaks, while hypocritically accusing other citizens of being free riders and takers.
It's pretty disgusting actually. Many of self-proclaimed "conservatives" I know personally are actually the worst free riders and abusers of government largess. And they don't even realize it.
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I am an immigrant myself.
There are limits yes.. but on no account do I want to drive the cars around which I grew up with... mouse engined Citroens, Renault, Peugeots, Seats, Fiats even BMWs (remember the Isseta?).
I remember all that diesel aroma when I walked to school, yuck!
Now then, I neither need nor want a 64 Lincoln Town Car but a nice TSX wagon with 200bhp punches my ticket just right.
No need to make apologies for being an American. It's good to be an American. Like my old polish immigrant friend who loves Big American Cars and pings on me for driving those little Japanese cars...
It's all about have the FREEDOM to drive what you want.. so long as you can pay the loan, gas, taxes and registration.. and stay out of the fast lane when I come down the road.
Would you rather have a Brussels based bureaucrat tell you what you can drive, huh?
Oh... before you go on a political rant about conservatives and their cars... I love it when I see a Range Rover with a Sierra Club sticker or a Suburban with a Hope And Change sticker... welcome to California!
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Power Of Dreams
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Could we please just ONCE not argue and insult each other in a discussion! Every single thread I view on this website has somebody posting something and then someone else arguing over it.
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I think all of us are pretty much in agreement that the new Accord will be something special.
I was content to let Boris' hackneyed anti-Americanism go until he trivialized the Aurora shooting tragedy.
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Part of the power thing in north america stems partly from a need for torque - remember how big and heavy old american cars were and these needed big torquey engines to accelerate acceptably with an automatic transmission. everyone drove autos when nobody in the rest of the world did. and they needed to be relatively long lived and reliable to be usable over the distances Americans drove (compared to europe). This difference is not so great now - most "american" cars arent now so different to larger european cars, europe now has better high speed roads than north america does. People actually drive much faster in Europe than here.
As for being told what to do by Brussels - two sides to this - if I live in America and i want to import say a CRv diesel - I can't. There's a government imposed ban on any private car imports less than 25 years old (15 in Canada). No such restriction as far as I know exists in europe, at least in Britain, so there's plenty of people importing whatever they like from the US, japan etc. So as far as having the freedom to drive what you want, we North Americans don't have it. Just in Europe gotta pay the stupid CO2 car taxes!
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atomiclightbulb
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xAbSoLuTexZeRo wrote:
Could we please just ONCE not argue and insult each other in a discussion! Every single thread I view on this website has somebody posting something and then someone else arguing over it.
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People on this site are generally angry and looking to pick a fight. I'm guilty of this as well, but there are plenty of trolls like iahs2k who post nonsense and deserve a beatdown.
TonyE wrote:
No need to make apologies for being an American. It's good to be an American. Like my old polish immigrant friend who loves Big American Cars and pings on me for driving those little Japanese cars...
It's all about have the FREEDOM to drive what you want.. so long as you can pay the loan, gas, taxes and registration.. and stay out of the fast lane when I come down the road.
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See TonyE, the problem I have is that "freedom" to many Americans means "freedom" to fuck things up and leave others to repair the mess. The other half of the "freedom" equation is "responsibility", which numerous citizens completely lack, whether they are in business or government.
The whole "if it feels good do it" shit is ruining this country.
As someone else already pointed out, U.S. import restrictions on automobiles already "tell" us in some manner what we can and can't drive. Instead of pointing at Brussels, people should maybe look at Washington instead. Of course, it is fashionable to trash Europe in this country.
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jfavour wrote:
The answer to your question is varied and complicated and likely has many plausible explanations, but I will offer one man's unscientific reasoning.
Thomas Jefferson dreamed up the Land Ordinance of 1785, which divided the unsettled lands of the US's western territories into 6-square mile townships. These townships consisted of 36 1-square mile sections, which were sold off to raise money for the fledgling US government.
This act created miles and miles of straight roads in the US. In my youth, if I wanted to take my car out for some fun, I went on one of these paved country backroads. In general these roads were flat to rolling (topographically) and had mile or longer stretches where you could really gather up some speed with little danger in hurting anyone else. The type of car needed/wanted for this kind of activity is a car with a lot of horsepower.
This country is also enormous, with a lot of undeveloped space between most of our major cities. Getting from place to place takes time and speed helps reduce that travel time.
Times have changed and the US is much more urban than it was in my youth, but I think the HP desire has persisted. It was ingrained in me by my Father and my friends parents who wanted a big engine (for speed, for towing, for ego reasons, etc.). Bigger, stronger, faster was better.
I currently drive a 4cyl 160 hp 2002 CR-V. It is a good, but slow car. I don't tow, I don't care about not having the big engine, and I drive it mostly in the city, with fairly strict speed enforcement and very little chance to find that open country (straight) road for a fun burst of speed.
Besides, if a competitor offers a more powerful engine with similar FE, then why not get the one with more power?
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All you said seems to make sense, however,
1) it seems quite a number of owners accept diesel engines w/ much lower hp => I don't think hp number is the be all and end all;
2) Can there be 'free lunch'? More horsepower, same or better FE, equal or lower in price, better equipments/features ......?
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Trip
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atomiclightbulb wrote:
. . . the problem I have is that "freedom" to many Americans means "freedom" to fuck things up and leave others to repair the mess. The other half of the "freedom" equation is "responsibility", which numerous citizens completely lack, . . .
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CarPhreakD
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atomiclightbulb wrote:
Of course, it is fashionable to trash Europe in this country.
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Interesting. So you are OK with Boris' trivializing of such a tragedy?
And can you please get your head out of your ass? North America doesn't *need* to trash Europe, they're doing a good job of it themselves right now in case you haven't heard about their automotive industry and economy in general.
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xBeastx
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What the? You guys are still arguing over this stuff? This is a CAR ENTHUSIAST forum.
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Last edited by JeffX on 08-09-2012 21:15
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DCR
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Why am I looking the interior of the current Accord?
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according2kev
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DCR wrote:
Why am I looking the interior of the current Accord?
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Haha. I proceeded to fix the codes earlier and when I saw the picture I got confused also and refrained from posting it.
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superchg2
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according2kev wrote:
DCR wrote:
Why am I looking the interior of the current Accord?
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Haha. I proceeded to fix the codes earlier and when I saw the picture I got confused also and refrained from posting it.
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It's kritzell's first post on TOV.
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TheGandalf
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But he is a member since 08. Talk about being a man (woman) of few words.
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superchg2
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TheGandalf wrote:
But he is a member since 08. Talk about being a man (woman) of few words.
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We will probably not see another post from the Kritzell until 2016.
:)
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tsingh
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I saw this today on honda.ca
A pic of the 2013 accord with LED headlights on...
http://www.honda.ca/accordoffer
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Rgist85
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That looks GOOD!!!
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TheGandalf
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That is soooo much better than what they have put on the US website!
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BachelorFrog
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So it got 2 projectors?
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DCR
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The lower LED strip looks like it is from Auto Zone.
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according2kev
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BachelorFrog wrote:
So it got 2 projectors?
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It looks as if models equipped with LED headlights will have two elements. Judging from the spy pictures, all other models will have a single projector.
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according2kev
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DCR wrote:
The lower LED strip looks like it is from Auto Zone.
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I personally can do without LED DRLs, but I think this application looks ok. What looks tacky and auto zone like is cars that have the LED separate from the main headlight assy. ala Optima, Taurus, Mercedes, etc.
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BachelorFrog
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Few more projectors in the headlamps and it will look awfully close to RLX.
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Chocs
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BachelorFrog wrote:
Few more projectors in the headlamps and it will look awfully close to RLX.
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