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danielgr
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Honda, Toyota, Lexus, Suzuki, Subaru, and then shared 6th among Hyundai, Mazda, and Mitsubishi ...
Link on BBC
A few quotes:
"Japanese carmakers really do deliver on reliability and Honda is exceptionally good at this," said Mr Hallett, pointing out that this was the seventh year in a row when Honda topped the ranking.
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Owners of used Hondas have a 10% chance of their cars suffering a breakdown, according to the survey of 50,000 Warranty Direct policies.
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US carmaker Chevrolet was the only non-Asian marque to rank as one of the 10 most reliable used cars.
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By contrast, seven in 10 Land Rover (the least reliable) owners will experience a breakdown in any given year, the survey said.
Failure rates for other luxury marques (including Audi, Jaguar and Mercedes among the 10 least reliable ones) was better at between 41% and 45%, while most mainstream European brands had failure rates of between 31% and 55%.
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Edited to add forgotten link I was quoting from BBC; you can check out the original survey here (thanks to DCR for the link).
Last edited by danielgr on 07-26-2012 11:26
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WOW! 7 out of 10 Land Rover owners will suffer a breakdown??? The other European cars are between 4 & 5 out of 10??
Now wonder I see so many Courtesy Cars for the Euro brands when I commute.
To think people pay a premium for these vehicles.
daniel. How about a link to the article?
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DCR
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http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/what-car-reliability-survey-2012/263555
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A77
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I doubt any UK offered chevrolets are actually US made - bet they're all Korean...
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A77
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apart from miniscule numbers of LHD corvettes, camaros and Volts...
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Chris David
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It's funny, the Europeans I talk to always talk about the great quality of German cars.
I'm always baffled when I see the number of horribly unreliable cars they sell in Europe. Is it nationalism or people just don't value reliability?
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CarPhreakD
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Chris David wrote:
It's funny, the Europeans I talk to always talk about the great quality of German cars.
I'm always baffled when I see the number of horribly unreliable cars they sell in Europe. Is it nationalism or people just don't value reliability?
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Quality =/= reliability. You can have a VW with really luxurious interior. But it would still have electric gremlins.
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Nick GravesX
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Chris David wrote:
It's funny, the Europeans I talk to always talk about the great quality of German cars.
I'm always baffled when I see the number of horribly unreliable cars they sell in Europe. Is it nationalism or people just don't value reliability?
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It's partly Perceived Quality v Build Quality; seemingly people conflate the two.
There is a LOT of psychological denial going on about how crap the reliability of German cars is. It's partly fuelled by the German-car-worship by the hacks, since the Japanese (mostly British-based!) simply spend less on advertising. The battery thinkers swallow it wholesale.
There have been several discussions recently about how Bagpuss & the Accord are actually really quite decent cars, yet you'd never believe it from the test reports.
You get the same with Nissan & Toyota's even greyer-porridge products.
The more stylish Brits (JLR & MINI) tend to get more jingoistic praise. But again, the hacks never mention the dire reliability issues.
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A77
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is it anything to do with the fact that so many new cars in UK are really bought by companies and arent going to be kept that long, so reliability is less of a factor. It used to be about 80% of new cars but much less now no?
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NSXforever
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danielgr wrote:
Honda, Toyota, Lexus, Suzuki, Subaru, and then shared 6th among Hyundai, Mazda, and Mitsubishi ...
Link on BBC
A few quotes:
"Japanese carmakers really do deliver on reliability and Honda is exceptionally good at this," said Mr Hallett, pointing out that this was the seventh year in a row when Honda topped the ranking.
[...]
Owners of used Hondas have a 10% chance of their cars suffering a breakdown, according to the survey of 50,000 Warranty Direct policies.
[...]
US carmaker Chevrolet was the only non-Asian marque to rank as one of the 10 most reliable used cars.
[...]
By contrast, seven in 10 Land Rover (the least reliable) owners will experience a breakdown in any given year, the survey said.
Failure rates for other luxury marques (including Audi, Jaguar and Mercedes among the 10 least reliable ones) was better at between 41% and 45%, while most mainstream European brands had failure rates of between 31% and 55%.
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Edited to add forgotten link I was quoting from BBC; you can check out the original survey here (thanks to DCR for the link).
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wow. Thanks for the data
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linty
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Nick Graves wrote:
Chris David wrote:
It's funny, the Europeans I talk to always talk about the great quality of German cars.
I'm always baffled when I see the number of horribly unreliable cars they sell in Europe. Is it nationalism or people just don't value reliability?
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It's partly Perceived Quality v Build Quality; seemingly people conflate the two.
There is a LOT of psychological denial going on about how crap the reliability of German cars is. It's partly fuelled by the German-car-worship by the hacks, since the Japanese (mostly British-based!) simply spend less on advertising. The battery thinkers swallow it wholesale.
There have been several discussions recently about how Bagpuss & the Accord are actually really quite decent cars, yet you'd never believe it from the test reports.
You get the same with Nissan & Toyota's even greyer-porridge products.
The more stylish Brits (JLR & MINI) tend to get more jingoistic praise. But again, the hacks never mention the dire reliability issues.
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You need to take these survey's with a grain of salt. I personally dont put much faith in them, especially CR.
Here is a reliability survey done by Fleet News in the UK, which is the largest of its kind and the results are much different regarding German brands.
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/2010/11/10/3-series-named-the-most-reliable-car/38163/
Im just starting the 8th year of ownership with my VW GLI/2.0T and total cost of repairs in this time is $400.00. This is much much lower than any Honda, Toyota, etc that I have owned.
To put it in perspective, our 2008 Honda Odyssey at work has 70,000 Km on it (44,000 Miles) and its had 1 transmission, 2 torque convertors and two power steering pumps replaced (and looking like a 3rd is on the way) and im not going to even go into the amount of times the brakes have been replaced due Honda's common premature break wear.
Its already being discussed that we need to sell this thing before the warrenty expires so it doesnt impact our maintenace budget next year......lol, I always thought people talked about this for German vehicles, not Japanese vehicles.
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