CarPhreakD
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Direct injection in the rotary engine would be a godsend in emissions for that engine. The rotary and 2-stroke engines benefit significantly from this technology because of their intake/exhaust characteristics. Actually, in a way I guess the technology IS critical for high-revving engines to pass emissions.
Mazda was set to develop a next generation Rotary but it still isn't meeting their emissions target, and would require further refinement (rumours of plasma-arc ignition, etc. were abound at one point). They set the program aside and put all their resources into the Skyactiv family.
5 years isn't a long time. That's one generation cycle in the automotive industry.
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WongKN
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superchg2 wrote:
WongKN wrote:
lots of Malaysians pray to BMW as if they are the godsend of the automobile
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Maybe there should be a "Temple of BMW" for the Malaysian folks?
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Actually mind you, I think the local BMW agent would have loved this. I know companies like Toyota, etc were eager to have something like TOVA promoting their cars for free.
But isn't it the same even in Europe or the U.S. ? It's called 'brand snobbishnes' I think, over on your side isn't it ? I remember reading a review of the NSX-R in the now extinct UK magazine 'Performance Car'. They did a comparo against the Ferrari Boxer and the Porsche 911. They couldn't find any technical area where the NSX-R lost but in the end, simply stated that the Ferrari and the Porsche has better 'pedigree' while the NSX-R will forever be 'just a japanese car'. Doesn't people think that BMW is superior to any japanese cars (except Lexus I suppose) and that a BMW's high price tag is 'deserved' because it is 'continental' (local term for an European designed car) design whereas a Honda is 'over-priced' even if it delivers superior value for a lot lesser price compared to the BMW, but the problem is that it is a 'japanese car'.
Mind you, even us japanese car fans might well be guilty of the same 'snobbery' nowadays because I can see some casual dismissal of the Korean competitors like Hyundai or Kia, etc.
Having said that, I might well be getting a Merc or a BMW to replace my Jazz so I really shouldn't be talking too much ! LOL !!!!!
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FiSH-Chan
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WongKN wrote:
Just the other day, a reader of mine was talking about a local 'journalist' who started out with a car blog and now expanded to things like TV documentary ala Top Gear and so forth. He says the guy just bought a BMW X5 (lots of Malaysians pray to BMW as if they are the godsend of the automobile) and was telling me that I need to learn from this guy because he thinks TOV/TOVA can easily become as big.
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Just curious to know, is it the same "bloggernalist" that has the logo similar to what beginner drivers use? Because I read some reviews from him which .... i don't even know how to describe. I mean, the one I read was that a particular car has LED backlights and therefore it is better (???) ... among many other weird things..
Also, and is it the same guy that 'wanted to teach Honda a lesson' by writing how the a Ford was faster than the 8th gen Civic that you wrote about a few weeks back?
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TonyEX
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Nick Graves wrote:
Maybe all these young twats need lessons in probability theory first!
Serves them all right for being so naive
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Hmm... do you know what that means in American Vernacular?
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WongKN
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Answers to
1) Yes. Different folks different strokes. The guy's facebook has 60,000 likes which is why my reader suggested I try to learn a thing or two from him. Which I am open to it. I am always eager to learn something new.
2) No. Actually I have not seen him at Honda functions for a long time already.
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superchg2
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WongKN wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
WongKN wrote:
lots of Malaysians pray to BMW as if they are the godsend of the automobile
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Maybe there should be a "Temple of BMW" for the Malaysian folks?
:)
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Actually mind you, I think the local BMW agent would have loved this. I know companies like Toyota, etc were eager to have something like TOVA promoting their cars for free.
But isn't it the same even in Europe or the U.S. ? It's called 'brand snobbishnes' I think, over on your side isn't it ?
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There is definitely some brand snobbishness, especially with the German Marques. One of my personal favorite BMW's is the unpretentious 2002tii, about 1972 Vintage.
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WongKN
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TonyE wrote:
Nick Graves wrote:
Maybe all these young twats need lessons in probability theory first!
Serves them all right for being so naive
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Hmm... do you know what that means in American Vernacular?
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Well you got to love the things that can come about due to difference of cultures. For e.g. there is one particular action that seems to be popular with some americans. Basically you hold one hand in fist form but vertically. Then with the open hand in an open palm, you slap your palm against the other hand. I have seen many americans do it.
Only thing is that over here in Asia, this action is used to mean 'F*** you'.
LOL !!!
In another occasion, I was in a training course in Singapore many years ago where employees from all over ASEAN and we had some sort of cultural show at the end of the course. I forgot who is who but it was either the students from the Phillipines or Thailand were singing a rather popular local folk song in their native language while the other (Thai or Phillipinos) were laughing. I wondered why they were so rude but one of them told me that one of the words used in the song meant 'F*** you' in their native language. So they kept hearing 'f u', 'f u', when the song was being sung.
I apologise for so many 'f u' in this post. But it just reminds me of these two funny incidents.
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TonyEX
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WongKN wrote:
Answers to
1) Yes. Different folks different strokes. The guy's facebook has 60,000 likes which is why my reader suggested I try to learn a thing or two from him. Which I am open to it. I am always eager to learn something new.
2) No. Actually I have not seen him at Honda functions for a long time already.
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Google the movie Idiocracy... better yet, watch it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
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WongKN
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I think there are some great BMW cars and I do have my personal favourites. It's just the attitude of some of their fans/owners that seems funny to me. One example is the continued hype over the 'Ultimate Driving Machine' tag, as if a BMW is really the UDM. I remember some owners who took their BMWs to the Sepang circuit and under and oversteered all over the corners. Many of them actually spun. But they were proud of it because they said their UDM is so good that they 'only spun' when they took the corners very fast.
I don't know about this. The few times I spun my Integra at Sepang, I was embarassed and upset at myself because I felt it meant I wasn't as good as I think I am in controlling my car...
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Nick GravesX
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WongKN wrote:
TonyE wrote:
Nick Graves wrote:
Maybe all these young twats need lessons in probability theory first!
Serves them all right for being so naive
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Hmm... do you know what that means in American Vernacular?
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Well you got to love the things that can come about due to difference of cultures. For e.g. there is one particular action that seems to be popular with some americans. Basically you hold one hand in fist form but vertically. Then with the open hand in an open palm, you slap your palm against the other hand. I have seen many americans do it.
Only thing is that over here in Asia, this action is used to mean 'F*** you'.
LOL !!!
In another occasion, I was in a training course in Singapore many years ago where employees from all over ASEAN and we had some sort of cultural show at the end of the course. I forgot who is who but it was either the students from the Phillipines or Thailand were singing a rather popular local folk song in their native language while the other (Thai or Phillipinos) were laughing. I wondered why they were so rude but one of them told me that one of the words used in the song meant 'F*** you' in their native language. So they kept hearing 'f u', 'f u', when the song was being sung.
I apologise for so many 'f u' in this post. But it just reminds me of these two funny incidents.
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It means the same here, but with extremely naive or gullible overtones.
British Foden trucks (latterly part of Paccar) used to be re-badged Poden in Spain & Portugal in order to stop the locals sniggering at them.
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WongKN
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And locally, the best joke of all (though I don't think many of you guys will understand it) was the Nissan Bluebird.
You see, in the chinese language dialect of 'Hokkien' (or Fujian, written in modern romanized mandarin), 'bluebird' is spoken literally as 'lan jiau'. In hokkien, this is actually a dirty word, a slang used to impolitely refer to another guy's 'organ'. So after Nissan introduced the Bluebird to Malaysia, they had a hard time in certain parts of my country where Hokkien is the main dialet spoken. LOL !
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Nick GravesX
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Brilliant - that IS a new one on me!
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DCR
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Hype the correct term? What exactly did the Toyobaru project fail to live up to in terms of what it promised?
hype 1 (hp) Slang
n.
1. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion: the hype surrounding the murder trial.
2. Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material: "It is pure hype, a gigantic PR job" (Saturday Review).
3. An advertising or promotional ploy: "Some restaurant owners in town are cooking up a $75,000 hype to promote New York as 'Restaurant City, U.S.A.'" (New York).
4. Something deliberately misleading; a deception: "[He] says that there isn't any energy crisis at all, that it's all a hype, to maintain outrageous profits for the oil companies" (Joel Oppenheimer).
tr.v. hyped, hyp·ing, hypes
To publicize or promote, especially by extravagant, inflated, or misleading claims: hyped the new book by sending its author on a promotional tour.
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The Toyobaru seems like a very well balanced car, with an adequate amount of power. Not unlike the 8G Si.
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TonyEX
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superchg2 wrote:
The Toyobaru seems like a very well balanced car, with an adequate amount of power. Not unlike the 8G Si.
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Aaah you young twat... are you trying to poison the converstation...
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330R
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TonyE wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
The Toyobaru seems like a very well balanced car, with an adequate amount of power. Not unlike the 8G Si.
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Aaah you young twat... are you trying to poison the converstation...
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Hmm... do you know what that means in American Vernacular?
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superchg2
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TonyE wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
The Toyobaru seems like a very well balanced car, with an adequate amount of power. Not unlike the 8G Si.
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Aaah you young twat... are you trying to poison the converstation...
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...I used to be young.
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FiSH-Chan
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I remembered "Pajero" means something similar in some country, so I did a search, and found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_blunder
enjoy the reading.. :)
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FiSH-Chan
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BTW, I meant to add in Microsoft's recent naming blunder too.. but that is really going way off topic... read about it here... lol I'm sure WongKN knows about this one http://ow.ly/crROT
Anyway we should edit the wiki page to include the Nissan Bluebird and the above lol. I think they even managed to sell 2 generation of that car here before changing to something else?
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WongKN
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Some manufacturers are fast thinking. When Alfa Romeo sold the 164 here, they renamed it to 168. No prizes for telling what is wrong with the name 164. Similarly my own employer actually introduced a new mainframe machine called the z114. It has now also been renamed appropriately.
Other manufacturers are much smarter. Closer to Tony's heart, in the hifi scene, high-end manufacturer Mark Levinson names all their models with 'appropriate names' - No. 23 power amp, No 333, No 38 preamp and so forth. Conspiciously missing is the number '4'. This number NEVER appeared anywhere in the line-up. However, lately they have started to blunder. Their amplifiers are now named starting with the number 5. So they have a top of the range power amp named No. 53. I wonder how well they are doing nowadays...
Steering back to topic, 'Hype' can be taken positively or negatively. The main issue is 'hype' and 'bling' is what moves marketing nowadays. It is what drives marketing and what grabs the attention of the Gen Y'ers and Gen Z'ers. So Toyota's blatant exploitation of hype, to me, is simply just them in their best form- they have ALWAYS excelled in marketing and how to properly market their products. This overuse of hype is simply right in their best form. Like it or not, it is working. Plus of course the fact that the car has mostly the right ingredients helps a long, LONG, way as well.
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A77
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I saw my first FRS on the road yesterday in orange and thought it looked great. Probably not standard wheels - but a very attractive car. which brought to mind my thought expressed on this forum before as to why cheap coupes cant be made to look as nice as say an Aston vantage. After all, it's only bent metal.
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Nick GravesX
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Why is this thread so entertaining and good-humoured?
Maybe it's something to do with the car...
Certainly makes a change round here.
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TonyEX
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330R wrote:
TonyE wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
The Toyobaru seems like a very well balanced car, with an adequate amount of power. Not unlike the 8G Si.
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Aaah you young twat... are you trying to poison the converstation...
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Hmm... do you know what that means in American Vernacular?
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Are you being ethnocentric now? ;-)
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A77
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so much for hype - the BRS/FRS last month sold more in one month in canada than the CRZ did in all of 2011 combined.
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WongKN
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That's what many of us have been saying right ? You build it right, people WILL buy. Nothing is perfect and people know that. But make the basics right and things will fall in place.
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owequitit
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WongKN wrote:
That's what many of us have been saying right ? You build it right, people WILL buy. Nothing is perfect and people know that. But make the basics right and things will fall in place.
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No, it is just better to sit around and try to explain away how the FR-S is simply a superior offering to the CR-Z.
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superchg2
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From Autoweek
"Toyota and Subaru are grappling with reports of rough idle and stalling conditions on their new sporty coupes.
The problems on initial batches of the Subaru BRZ coupe and its Scion FR-S twin--known as the Toyota FT-86 outside the United States--is being caused by a software mapping glitch.
Toyota Motor Corp. and Subaru, a unit of Fuji Heavy Industries, developed the sporty cars jointly. And except for some badging and front fascia differences, they are basically clones.
Toyota and Subaru officials say the problem is simply a software bug and that there is no mechanical defect.
But some owners of the coupes disagree, saying the suggested fix hasn't kept the problem from recurring.
Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons said that when the engine control unit (ECU) is installed, it adapts to the car's powertrain and owner's driving patterns, a process known as adaptive learning. Within 100 miles, those settings are basically frozen in the ECU.
With the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ coupes, some of the software coding that allows the ECU to establish a "handshake" with the engine is in error. The ECU monitors certain driving conditions, and when the engine is found to be out of tolerance, the software picks up an anomaly.
When this happens, the ECU triggers a fault code. As the ECU tries to find an optimal driving condition outside its prescribed tolerances, a rough idle or stalling situation ensues. Typically, the check engine light illuminates and a fault code of P0019 shows up on diagnostic readers.
Toyota's fix: If the car has less than 100 miles on it, a technician will reflash the ECU with the correct software mapping. If the car has more than 100 miles, the mechanic should replace the ECU.
"It does involve the variable valve timing but it does not involve a mechanical repair," Lyons said. He said the rough idle is the result of the ECU's attempting to work around its detection of the anomaly, rather than what is triggering the fault code. The reflash "broadens the tolerance of detection."
Subaru's explanation
Intriguingly, while Subaru agrees that ECU mapping is the cause, the automaker believes an ECU reflash is the only necessary repair.
"This is not a mileage-dependent condition. No replacement of the ECU is needed at any mileage to rectify the issue. The ECU re-flash is the fix. There is not a defect concerning the ECU," Subaru spokesman Dominick Infante said.
Toyota's ECU programming is being handled by field technical specialists, rather than dealership service techs, resulting in longer-than-normal repair waits for customers, Lyons said. "Our field offices are coordinating the remedies."
Lyons said all cars that have arrived at a dealership since mid-August should already be reflashed with the correct ECU software mapping. And not every car built before then will have the handshake issue, because "it's a combination of parts, tolerances and interactions between the car and ECU" that can trigger the fault."
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Teething problems in the first year, or something more?
I can't even get an FR-S in my driveway. I actually cancelled the car this week because the dealer moved my arrival date 3-4 times, and now said the car will be here October 10-12th, maybe...and if not earlier the week after. I have been dealing with this since May, and after all of the bullshit, no car.
I will resume my search in the spring, so I actually have a chance to enjoy the car with more time than a month before winter.
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Interesting news.....and good luck DCR!
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CarPhreakD
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DCR wrote:
Teething problems in the first year, or something more?
I can't even get an FR-S in my driveway. I actually cancelled the car this week because the dealer moved my arrival date 3-4 times, and now said the car will be here October 10-12th, maybe...and if not earlier the week after. I have been dealing with this since May, and after all of the bullshit, no car.
I will resume my search in the spring, so I actually have a chance to enjoy the car with more time than a month before winter.
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Good luck! And I believe it... teething problems I mean. It probably is just a valvetrain/ECU issue... either that or the D4S system is really not working well idling.
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