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Honda CBR400R rumoured in Japan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-03-2012 22:21
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JAPANESE magazine Young Machine is claiming that Honda is developing a new CBR400R to sit between the CBR600RR and CBR250R in the firm's sportsbike line-up.

The bike, an artist's impression of which is shown on the bottom right of the magazine's front cover (in case you're wondering, the main image is the Japanese-market Megelli 250R), is reckoned to have a parallel twin engine derived from the same family as the CBR250R's single.

Making around 50bhp, the 400 would have roughly twice the power of the CBR250R, but still less than half that of the CBR600RR, making it a perfect stepping stone between learner machines and full-on sports bikes, sales of which are dropping off worldwide as riders increasingly turn to less intimidating, slower bikes.

The enduring popularity of secondhand grey import 400cc machines like the old Honda VFR400R NC30 shows that there are still riders who'd like the style and handling of a sportsbike without the high insurance and 100bhp-plus performance. While those old 400s were made to meet Japanese licensing laws, and when new often cost more than 600s thanks to more exotic components and construction, the new rumours suggest a simpler, cheaper bike. With new 600s hitting the £9000 mark, more than twice the cost of the £4k CBR250R, the potential for an intermediate machine at around £5k-£6k is undeniable. And Honda isn't the only firm realising that, as KTM's already-revealed plans for a 350cc road-going replica of its Moto3 machine show.

In terms of appearance, Young Machine's artist's impression is by no means definitive. It shares some of the style of the CBR250R allied to a CBR600RR-style nose; a proposition that is believable in terms of the bike's rumoured positioning in the range, although with the CBR600RR already well overdue for replacement we'd be hoping that any new Honda sports bike – whether a 400 or a 600 – would show a new generation of styling.

What do you think? Would a mid-market sportsbike be in demand, or is Honda barking up the wrong tree?


What do I think?...Honda...Go for it!...And while you are at it make a CRF400L too.

Read more: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/honda-cbr400r-rumoured-in-japan/20578.html#ixzz1trZAqED8
danielgr
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Re: Honda CBR400R rumoured in Japan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-04-2012 07:47
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What do I think?
I was really closing on the decision to get a CBR250 and now you write this in the forum so ... I'll be waiting!!!
P54
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Re: Honda CBR400R rumoured in Japan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-04-2012 10:48
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The CBR250R seems to be a good little bike and best of all parts prices even beats prices on chinese bikes.

This little Honda grows on you


Test rider got 78 mpg.

Riding a new motorcycle is like getting to know a college roommate. At first, everything's fine. You're compatible, you both get along and the semester looks promising.

But after just a few short weeks, the apartment is infested with free-range tarantulas and the carpet is ruined from the all-night floor hockey tournaments.

I try to get as much seat time on new models as possible and can usually get a pretty good feeling about the bike. But, like roommates, you've got to live with a motorcycle to see what it's really all about.

Last year, I rode Honda's all-new CBR250R and thought it was a fun and very capable, small-displacement sport bike. But, after spending a couple of weeks with the little CBR, I like it even better.

The $4,499 ($4,999 with ABS) CBR250R was designed to be an all-world motorcycle and excel not only in North America or Europe, but various Third World nations where road conditions are worse than ours and fuel is slightly less combustible than no-name energy drinks. Honda has 27 technology patents on the CBR250R with nine in the engine alone.

Many motorcyclists look down on 250s because (supposedly) they can't handle the wide open spaces of Canadian riding conditions. To this, I call “horsepucky.” At 100 km/h, the CBR250R floats along at a relaxed 6,000 r.p.m. and on the Georgia freeways, it easily maintained a legal, vibration-free 75 m.p.h. (120 km/h). During our track sessions, the little CBR lugged my substantial mass up to 148 km/h and when drafting other full-sized journalists, I saw an indicated 155 several times. The CBR definitely has the speed to handle Canadian freeway conditions.

Take a long, hard look at how you typically ride and, with a few long- distance exceptions, most likely it's commuting, riding to and from school, jaunts around town or day trips. So that's what I did with the CBR. Basically, I just used it for daily transportation.

Along with “arrest me” top speed, the CBR has more than enough acceleration to leave most wheeled traffic sucking exhaust fumes. Around town, it's light and easy to handle and the supple suspension soaks up divots, bumps and heaves.

I'd even endorse the CBR250R for new riders because I feel it's actually easier to ride than the popular CBR125. How so? To a novice rider, the most difficult aspect of riding is getting away from a stop smoothly and safely. The 250's excellent low-end torque combines with smooth and seamless clutch actuation, making the CBR nearly impossible to stall. And the seat is actually 18 mm lower than the 125.

The CBR250R was designed for easy maintenance. Pop the seat, unscrew two bolts and there's the air filter — ready for cleaning or replacing.

My first impression of the CBR250R was favourable and the Honda did nothing to annoy me during a wonderful two-week relationship. No tarantulas.

Steve Bond writes about motorcycles for Wheels. He can be reached at:

Stevebond8@yahoo.ca

2011 Honda CBR250R

PRICE: $4,499. $4,999 with combined ABS

ENGINE: 249cc single, DOHC, EFI, four-valve.

FUEL CONSUMPTION: Measured 3.61L/100 km (78 mpg)

POWER: 24 hp

COMPETITION: Kawasaki Ninja 250, Hyosung GT250R

WHAT'S BEST: Torquey engine, overall competence, easy

maintenance

WHAT'S WORST: Hard seat, hard grips, nonadjustable front brake lever

WHAT'S INTERESTING: Totally new with 27 patents, nine in the engine


http://www.thestar.com/wheels/article/1173012--this-little-honda-grows-on-you

Torque
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Re: Honda CBR400R rumoured in Japan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-04-2012 12:10
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Its funny. About a couple months back on another motorcycle thread I was saying that Japanese companies would start getting back into the class between the 250 and 600 in the near future and here we are. Both booth guys from Kawasaki and Honda seemed to agree since they both expressed the growing interest from customers in this class. This sounds like a perfect option for people who generally use their bikes for commuting but still want something that can handle. You won't always need the power of a 600+ bike. The 400 class sounds just about perfect if you can keep the fuel efficiency high.

As someone who rides to work almost every day on a bike, I would buy this. Sign me up if this comes stateside.
CarPhreakD
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Re: Honda CBR400R rumoured in Japan    (Score: 1, Normal) 07-23-2012 18:58
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There is a Kawasaki Ninja 400R in Canada... but it is priced so close to the 650 that it hasn't really been a popular bike outside of Quebec (which might as well be its own country in any case). So I'm not sure if there's a business case to be made for NA because it will sit extremely close between the two classes. Honda may be able to sell a couple of copies at the $6.75 to $7K sweet spot, but most will either gravitate to the 250R or other middle-weight sports tourers.

It especially doesn't make sense in light of other bikes that Honda has in this crowd... the (bland) NC700X/S and the CBF600.

Also, the article is kind of strange, because the 250R has nowhere near the hardcore supersport intent of the CBR600RR. I think a CBR400R should slot between the 250R and the CBR600F:



And if anything, I'd rather Honda bring the CBR600F over here.
 
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