DrWhiner
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The one that promises the higher MPG wins?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/green-motoring/9257655/Diesel-versus-petrol.html
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Bullwinkle
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Just was in the UK and drove a diesel Focus for several days and the Mileage is great/ I observed 47 MPG (US gallons, I bought gas in Litres and did the conversion math).
HOWEVER, This Diesel and most Diesels sold in the UK and Europe will NOT meet US emissions standards. And you can tell by walking down any congested street in any major city. The smell of diesel fumes (kinda like the smell of burning candles) Hangs in the air.
At this point, to meet US standards, most Diesel passenger cars would require urea injection, and that brings up its own problems and even higher costs.
Diesel is not going anywhere in North America until someone solves that for a reasonable price. It's easier to make gas engines more efficient. And it might even be easier to convert gas engines to run Natural Gas.
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superchg2
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Bullwinkle wrote:
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HOWEVER, This Diesel and most Diesels sold in the UK and Europe will NOT meet US emissions standards. And you can tell by walking down any congested street in any major city. The smell of diesel fumes (kinda like the smell of burning candles) Hangs in the air.
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Hence the name Diseasal.
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Restless
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Bullwinkle wrote:
HOWEVER, This Diesel and most Diesels sold in the UK and Europe will NOT meet US emissions standards. And you can tell by walking down any congested street in any major city. The smell of diesel fumes (kinda like the smell of burning candles) Hangs in the air.
At this point, to meet US standards, most Diesel passenger cars would require urea injection, and that brings up its own problems and even higher costs.
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Euro5 is required only starting January 2012. So almost any diesel sold before that is Euro4 complaint, ie won't pass US standarts.
Every diesel sold after Jan 2012 has to comply to Euro5, so it should be able to pass US standarts too.
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Mechanic
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Restless wrote:
Bullwinkle wrote:
HOWEVER, This diesel and most diesels sold in the UK and Europe will NOT meet US emissions standards. . . .
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. . . [However] every diesel sold after Jan 2012 has to [conform] to Euro5, so [they] should be able to pass US standards too.
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Keep a good thought. Honda's 2.2-liter diesel would be a perfect match in our (US) CR-V too -- lots of grunt at low rpm and better mpg.
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Bullwinkle
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Restless wrote:
Bullwinkle wrote:
HOWEVER, This Diesel and most Diesels sold in the UK and Europe will NOT meet US emissions standards. And you can tell by walking down any congested street in any major city. The smell of diesel fumes (kinda like the smell of burning candles) Hangs in the air.
At this point, to meet US standards, most Diesel passenger cars would require urea injection, and that brings up its own problems and even higher costs.
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Euro5 is required only starting January 2012. So almost any diesel sold before that is Euro4 complaint, ie won't pass US standarts.
Every diesel sold after Jan 2012 has to comply to Euro5, so it should be able to pass US standarts too.
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Euro V is not as stringent and US EPA Tier 2 Bin x standards for Diesels. Only Euro VI comes close.
Basically, Europeans care more about CO2 than NOx. Our standards on NOx are still tougher. We expect Diesels to be as clean as Gas engines.
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CarPhreakD
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Bullwinkle wrote:
Restless wrote:
Bullwinkle wrote:
HOWEVER, This Diesel and most Diesels sold in the UK and Europe will NOT meet US emissions standards. And you can tell by walking down any congested street in any major city. The smell of diesel fumes (kinda like the smell of burning candles) Hangs in the air.
At this point, to meet US standards, most Diesel passenger cars would require urea injection, and that brings up its own problems and even higher costs.
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Euro5 is required only starting January 2012. So almost any diesel sold before that is Euro4 complaint, ie won't pass US standarts.
Every diesel sold after Jan 2012 has to comply to Euro5, so it should be able to pass US standarts too.
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Euro V is not as stringent and US EPA Tier 2 Bin x standards for Diesels. Only Euro VI comes close.
Basically, Europeans care more about CO2 than NOx. Our standards on NOx are still tougher. We expect Diesels to be as clean as Gas engines.
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As it should be!
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Restless
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Bullwinkle wrote:
Restless wrote:
Bullwinkle wrote:
HOWEVER, This Diesel and most Diesels sold in the UK and Europe will NOT meet US emissions standards. And you can tell by walking down any congested street in any major city. The smell of diesel fumes (kinda like the smell of burning candles) Hangs in the air.
At this point, to meet US standards, most Diesel passenger cars would require urea injection, and that brings up its own problems and even higher costs.
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Euro5 is required only starting January 2012. So almost any diesel sold before that is Euro4 complaint, ie won't pass US standarts.
Every diesel sold after Jan 2012 has to comply to Euro5, so it should be able to pass US standarts too.
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Euro V is not as stringent and US EPA Tier 2 Bin x standards for Diesels. Only Euro VI comes close.
Basically, Europeans care more about CO2 than NOx. Our standards on NOx are still tougher. We expect Diesels to be as clean as Gas engines.
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Then how VW is selling lots of TDI via Jetta/Passat/Audi ?
Looks like Mazda Diesel Skyactiv is also able to pass regulations without urea
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DrWhiner
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Restless wrote:
Euro5 is required only starting January 2012. So almost any diesel sold before that is Euro4 complaint, ie won't pass US standarts.
Every diesel sold after Jan 2012 has to comply to Euro5, so it should be able to pass US standarts too.
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Well, according to a TDI forum, a 2010 Euro 5 Fiesta 1.6 liter Duratorq would exceed the NOx emission requirements for Tier 2 Bin 8 ...
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