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(I don't recall having seen the release dates of the 2013 Accord pictures and full specs posted here before. If they have been, please excuse the post...if they haven't, read on)
•JUL. 13 - On August 8, Honda will release the first images of the all-new 2013 Accord. The world will have to wait even longer--until September 5, to be exact--to know the vehicle's specs, technologies, full trim breakdowns, and other details. But some bits of information about the 2013 Accord have been shared here and there over the months, so here's a summary of known details about the new Accord to whet the appetite:
o The 2013 Accord will feature three all-new powertrains: a 2.4-liter direct injection engine with a new Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT); a V-6 with a new 6-speed automatic transmission; and a two-motor plug-in hybrid system. (See below for more details.)
o The 4-cylinder will be the first U.S. application of Honda's Earth Dreams Technology.
o Both the 4-cylinder and V-6 (coupe) will be available with a 6-speed manual transmission.
o The Accord will mark Honda's first application of available Lane Departure Warning (LDW) and Forward Crash Warning (FCW) technology.
o It will offer a Honda-exclusive visibility innovation called "LaneWatch," which uses a camera system mounted on the passenger side mirror combined with a screen in the center of the dash to provide a wider view of the passenger side roadway.
o A rearview backup camera and an Expanded-View Driver's Mirror will come standard.
o Also standard will be an i-MID screen, Bluetooth HandsFreeLink®, SMS texting capability and Pandora Internet Radio Interface (with compatible phones).
o All Accord models will get ECO Assist, which provides visual feedback to the driver to promote and confirm more efficient driving styles.
o With a new 2.4-liter direct-injected engine, the 4-cylinder Accord will produce more than 181 hp and 177 lb-ft of torque. It will have a new Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) with a new "G-Design Shift" cooperative control system for excellent acceleration and responsive shifting.
o The V-6 Accord won't get direct injection, but the new 3.5-liter, 24-valve, SOHC, i-VTEC V-6 engine featuring Variable Cylinder Management (VCM), paired with a new 6-speed automatic transmission, is expected to receive a class-leading highway fuel economy rating from the EPA.
o The Plug-in Hybrid (P-HEV), which will be the first U.S. application of the Honda plug-in hybrid system, will have a 2-motor electric drive system paired with a 2.0-liter Atkinson cycle engine and an electric CVT (E-CVT).
o The P-HEV will have an all-electric range of 10-15 miles with an all-electric top speed of 62 mph and will feature three different driving modes: all-electric, hybrid and direct-drive engine.
o Recharging the P-HEV's lithium-ion battery will take less than 1.5 hours using a 240-volt outlet.
o Accords for the U.S. market will be built at Honda Manufacturing of America's (HAM) Marysville Auto Plant (MAP).
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A.W.E.S.O.M. - O
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Thanks for this. I've been wondering the exact dates.
*So, Wednesday, 8/8 for a few teasers images
*Wednesday, 9/5 for specs/full details. Will these the embargo lift day for reviews as well?
*Then, in the showroom on ??? ... I wonder if all models will be available or more or a rolling rollout of various trims/powertrains.
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1. We haven't seen any pictures of the 2013 Accord, aside from spy shots with cars covered in camouflage. It's the 18th now (here anyway).
2. I've heard and read many conflicting reports about the transmissions. Some are saying CVT only for the I4 sedan, others are saying a 6MT and CVT for the I4. I really don't want to replace the 2005 Accord 5MT with a CVT. If that's the only option, I guess I'll have to go to Mazda or Subaru. Oh well. I guess I'll know for sure on September 5th.
3. No word on if two tunes of the I4 will be offered? (as in all generations, except the 1st and 7th)
4. G-Design shift? Wut?
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ClementZ
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ClementZ wrote:
1. We haven't seen any pictures of the 2013 Accord, aside from spy shots with cars covered in camouflage. It's the 18th now (here anyway).
2. I've heard and read many conflicting reports about the transmissions. Some are saying CVT only for the I4 sedan, others are saying a 6MT and CVT for the I4. Even the order sheets have 6MT for the sedan. However, this only mentions it for the coupes. I really don't want to replace the 2005 Accord 5MT with a CVT. If that's the only option, I guess I'll have to go to Mazda or Subaru. Oh well. I guess I'll know for sure on September 5th.
3. No word on if two tunes of the I4 will be offered? (as in all generations, except the 1st and 7th)
4. G-Design shift? Wut?
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Damn I really should read. Ignore my first point.
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CB77
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From the HP numbers for the 2.4 ED motor, it looks like those of us hoping for a performance increase, along with the FE increase (from the Earth Dreams motors) are going to be disappointed.
When you compare the ED's numbers with the current LX and EX numbers (see below), you can see that torque got the biggest improvement, which may be good for around-town drivability and maybe for FE. Apparently this engine family is heavily focused just on FE...it had better be able to show some eye-popping numbers there.
And, if I am reading these numbers right, it will actually make less HP than the current EX. Also, I wonder if there will be just this one 2.4 engine across the entire 4-cyl model line.
>2013 ED: “More than” 181 (HP) / 177 (TQ)
>2012 LX: 177 @ 6500 (HP) / 161 @4300 (TQ)
>2012 EX: 190 @ 7000 (HP) / 162 @4400 (TQ)
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iutodd
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ClementZ wrote:
2. I've heard and read many conflicting reports about the transmissions. Some are saying CVT only for the I4 sedan, others are saying a 6MT and CVT for the I4. I really don't want to replace the 2005 Accord 5MT with a CVT. If that's the only option, I guess I'll have to go to Mazda or Subaru. Oh well. I guess I'll know for sure on September 5th.
3. No word on if two tunes of the I4 will be offered? (as in all generations, except the 1st and 7th)
4. G-Design shift? Wut?
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http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=1062301
According to TOV the I4 will be offered with a 6MT and a CVT.
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P54
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CB77 wrote:
From the HP numbers for the 2.4 ED motor, it looks like those of us hoping for a performance increase, along with the FE increase (from the Earth Dreams motors) are going to be disappointed.
When you compare the ED's numbers with the current LX and EX numbers (see below), you can see that torque got the biggest improvement, which may be good for around-town drivability and maybe for FE. Apparently this engine family is heavily focused just on FE...it had better be able to show some eye-popping numbers there.
And, if I am reading these numbers right, it will actually make less HP than the current EX. Also, I wonder if there will be just this one 2.4 engine across the entire 4-cyl model line.
>2013 ED: “More than” 181 (HP) / 177 (TQ)
>2012 LX: 177 @ 6500 (HP) / 161 @4300 (TQ)
>2012 EX: 190 @ 7000 (HP) / 162 @4400 (TQ)
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Peak numbers don't tell the whole story, you have to look at how the engine delivers across the rpm range, that is where the ED engines excel.
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Agreed, the Camry easily out accelerates the Sonata which has 20 more hp and 14 more ft/lbs of torque, #'s aren't everything.
Area under the (torque) curve and how the power is delivered (gearing, drivetrain loss, etc.) can radically impact percieved power and driving enjoyment.
Plus, the K24 is picking up 16 ft/lbs of torque (about 10%) and getting the new CVT with much more favorable gearing over the 5AT. If it weighs the same or less, it will feel much quicker than the current car.
P54 wrote:
CB77 wrote:
From the HP numbers for the 2.4 ED motor, it looks like those of us hoping for a performance increase, along with the FE increase (from the Earth Dreams motors) are going to be disappointed.
When you compare the ED's numbers with the current LX and EX numbers (see below), you can see that torque got the biggest improvement, which may be good for around-town drivability and maybe for FE. Apparently this engine family is heavily focused just on FE...it had better be able to show some eye-popping numbers there.
And, if I am reading these numbers right, it will actually make less HP than the current EX. Also, I wonder if there will be just this one 2.4 engine across the entire 4-cyl model line.
>2013 ED: “More than” 181 (HP) / 177 (TQ)
>2012 LX: 177 @ 6500 (HP) / 161 @4300 (TQ)
>2012 EX: 190 @ 7000 (HP) / 162 @4400 (TQ)
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Peak numbers don't tell the whole story, you have to look at how the engine delivers across the rpm range, that is where the ED engines excel.
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esboi84
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CB77 wrote:
o The V-6 Accord won't get direct injection,
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When was this changed? How are they going to get the 5% power and 10% FE increase without doing that?
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A77
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I read this as the base engine has just over 181 (as opposed to 177hp) and there will be a higher output version at over the current 190hp. Honda not wanting to give too much away to competitors.
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98EX4cyl
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esboi84 wrote:
CB77 wrote:
o The V-6 Accord won't get direct injection,
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When was this changed? How are they going to get the 5% power and 10% FE increase without doing that?
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By upgrading to a 6-speed auto from the current 5-speed.
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BachelorFrog
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98EX4cyl wrote:
esboi84 wrote:
CB77 wrote:
o The V-6 Accord won't get direct injection,
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When was this changed? How are they going to get the 5% power and 10% FE increase without doing that?
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By upgrading to a 6-speed auto from the current 5-speed.
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P54
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BachelorFrog wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
esboi84 wrote:
CB77 wrote:
o The V-6 Accord won't get direct injection,
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When was this changed? How are they going to get the 5% power and 10% FE increase without doing that?
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By upgrading to a 6-speed auto from the current 5-speed.
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Maybe the V-6 ED is not ready yet, the I4 is the first ED, the rest of Honda's model line within 3 years.
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CivicB18
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esboi84 wrote:
CB77 wrote:
o The V-6 Accord won't get direct injection,
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When was this changed? How are they going to get the 5% power and 10% FE increase without doing that?
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Changed? Only the Acuras will get DI V6's but the Honda 3.5 will get significant improvements that will benefit preformace and economy. DI itself really doesn't add much economy by itself but combined with other things it seems to aid in economy and performance especially in turbocharged applications.
~Patrick
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98EX4cyl wrote:
esboi84 wrote:
CB77 wrote:
o The V-6 Accord won't get direct injection,
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When was this changed? How are they going to get the 5% power and 10% FE increase without doing that?
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By upgrading to a 6-speed auto from the current 5-speed.
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LOL.
"new 3.5-liter, 24-valve, SOHC, i-VTEC V-6"
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Gfn8r
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DrWhiner wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
esboi84 wrote:
CB77 wrote:
o The V-6 Accord won't get direct injection,
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When was this changed? How are they going to get the 5% power and 10% FE increase without doing that?
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By upgrading to a 6-speed auto from the current 5-speed.
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LOL.
"new 3.5-liter, 24-valve, SOHC, i-VTEC V-6"
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Had a discussion in another thread with Jeff, A77 and Andrew (HONDA AFVM) last month in another thread, and the motor'll likely be the same as they dropped into the Acura RDX--they got some good drivability (according to Jeff, though according to A77, aggressive DBW mapping versus fuel-conscious mapping on the Honda side may have contributed) and FE improvements thanks to the six-speed slusher, which should also help with the flat torque curve (if I understand all of this correctly). So no ED V6 with three cams (VCM and actual VTEC in one) or DI until the MMC, most likely.
Of course, as I speculated, they could do the rest of the ED stuff minus DI, but I'm not holding my breath.
(Jeff, at the ride/drive, check the engine # on a V6! ;-) )
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CB77
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CB77 wrote:
>2013 ED: “More than” 181 (HP) / 177 (TQ)
>2012 LX: 177 @ 6500 (HP) / 161 @4300 (TQ)
>2012 EX: 190 @ 7000 (HP) / 162 @4400 (TQ)
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Guess the "Earth is not Dreaming" of more horsepower, but increased around-town driveability (from the increased torque) and higher FE. I hope this engine can deliver.
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BorisHonda
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CB77 wrote:
CB77 wrote:
>2013 ED: “More than” 181 (HP) / 177 (TQ)
>2012 LX: 177 @ 6500 (HP) / 161 @4300 (TQ)
>2012 EX: 190 @ 7000 (HP) / 162 @4400 (TQ)
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Guess the "Earth is not Dreaming" of more horsepower, but increased around-town driveability (from the increased torque) and higher FE. I hope this engine can deliver.
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I still do not understand american's obsession with HP?
My current Accord has 160 HP and I find it way more than plenty;
I went through 80% of Europe, over Alps, you name it with car having only 45 HP.
WHY do you have to have 1000000000000 HP in your damn cars????
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jfavour
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Boris,
The answer to your question is varied and complicated and likely has many plausible explanations, but I will offer one man's unscientific reasoning.
Thomas Jefferson dreamed up the Land Ordinance of 1785, which divided the unsettled lands of the US's western territories into 6-square mile townships. These townships consisted of 36 1-square mile sections, which were sold off to raise money for the fledgling US government.
This act created miles and miles of straight roads in the US. In my youth, if I wanted to take my car out for some fun, I went on one of these paved country backroads. In general these roads were flat to rolling (topographically) and had mile or longer stretches where you could really gather up some speed with little danger in hurting anyone else. The type of car needed/wanted for this kind of activity is a car with a lot of horsepower.
This country is also enormous, with a lot of undeveloped space between most of our major cities. Getting from place to place takes time and speed helps reduce that travel time.
Times have changed and the US is much more urban than it was in my youth, but I think the HP desire has persisted. It was ingrained in me by my Father and my friends parents who wanted a big engine (for speed, for towing, for ego reasons, etc.). Bigger, stronger, faster was better.
I currently drive a 4cyl 160 hp 2002 CR-V. It is a good, but slow car. I don't tow, I don't care about not having the big engine, and I drive it mostly in the city, with fairly strict speed enforcement and very little chance to find that open country (straight) road for a fun burst of speed.
Besides, if a competitor offers a more powerful engine with similar FE, then why not get the one with more power?
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CB77
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Boris,
It all ties back to a very fundamental American value:
"Too much is just right"
That attitude applies to our outlook on money, food, sex, horsepower, square footage of your house, etc, etc. Not saying its good or bad (as Jerry Seinfeld would comment), its just the way it is.
We have also been conditioned by all the makers to think this way. The next new model has to have more of everything, or it is a disappointment. The first Accord had 68 horsepower, and everyone thought it was great...now "only" 271 HP in the current Accord is "not enough".
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BorisHonda wrote:
WHY do you have to have 1000000000000 HP in your damn cars????
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Because we are decadent Americans, and we appreciate our Police and Firefighters too!
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CB77 wrote:
Boris,
It all ties back to a very fundamental American value:
"Too much is just right"
That attitude applies to our outlook on money, food, sex, horsepower, square footage of your house, etc, etc. Not saying its good or bad (as Jerry Seinfeld would comment), its just the way it is.
We have also been conditioned by all the makers to think this way. The next new model has to have more of everything, or it is a disappointment. The first Accord had 68 horsepower, and everyone thought it was great...now "only" 271 HP in the current Accord is "not enough".
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BorisHonda wrote:
You are right superchg2. American are completely decadent. |
My parents are immigrants to America, and although they became U.S. citizens and took full advantage of the work opportunities afforded here, they have always been uncomfortable with the excesses and wastefulness of the "natives".
My parents believed in living frugally and within their means. They do not understand why the culture they moved into wanted Gigantic homes, gas-guzzling SUVs, and maxed-out credit cards. The "bigger is better" mantra seems pretty stupid to them. I'm inclined to agree. Many Americans seem to believe that "freedom" is all about living Large and Irresponsibly, and then whining about not getting their special government tax breaks, while hypocritically accusing other citizens of being free riders and takers.
It's pretty disgusting actually. Many of self-proclaimed "conservatives" I know personally are actually the worst free riders and abusers of government largess. And they don't even realize it.
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BorisHonda wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
BorisHonda wrote:
WHY do you have to have 1000000000000 HP in your damn cars????
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Because we are decadent Americans, and we appreciate our Police and Firefighters too!
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You are right superchg2. American are completely decadent.
Lets quote snippet from today's news: 'A graduate school dropout...killing 12 people and injuring 59 others, authorities said.'
I hope you enjoy your decadency and please get supercharged so your fat police cannot get you while your start some fires.
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superchg2 wrote:
BorisHonda, you are a pretty pathetic individual!
:(
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Power Of Dreams
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BorisHonda wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
BorisHonda wrote:
WHY do you have to have 1000000000000 HP in your damn cars????
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Because we are decadent Americans, and we appreciate our Police and Firefighters too!
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You are right superchg2. American are completely decadent.
Lets quote snippet from today's news: 'A graduate school dropout...killing 12 people and injuring 59 others, authorities said.'
I hope you enjoy your decadency and please get supercharged so your fat police cannot get you while your start some fires.
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Fuck off.
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DevilMayCry
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BorisHonda wrote:
superchg2 wrote:
BorisHonda wrote:
WHY do you have to have 1000000000000 HP in your damn cars????
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Because we are decadent Americans, and we appreciate our Police and Firefighters too!
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You are right superchg2. American are completely decadent.
Lets quote snippet from today's news: 'A graduate school dropout...killing 12 people and injuring 59 others, authorities said.'
I hope you enjoy your decadency and please get supercharged so your fat police cannot get you while your start some fires.
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Really, dude?!
In the words of PoD.....Fuck off, BorisHonda!
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BachelorFrog wrote:
98EX4cyl wrote:
esboi84 wrote:
CB77 wrote:
o The V-6 Accord won't get direct injection,
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When was this changed? How are they going to get the 5% power and 10% FE increase without doing that?
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By upgrading to a 6-speed auto from the current 5-speed.
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Direct Injection in a naturally aspirated engine isn't going to directly increase power by itself. Or FE for that matter.
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