CarGuyLee
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Will this be for iphone users only or will this feature work with other phones? The pandora part of the new Accord will only work with iphone, correct?
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TonyEX
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CarGuyLee wrote:
Will this be for iphone users only or will this feature work with other phones? The pandora part of the new Accord will only work with iphone, correct?
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Aha runs fine on Android.
In any event, there are many more Android phones that there are iPhones. The main differences on Android are the presentation manager layer... the API to the applications is identical, thus so long as a given application is running on an Android phone, the API is common and available to an external interface.
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JeffX
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CarGuyLee wrote:
Will this be for iphone users only or will this feature work with other phones? The pandora part of the new Accord will only work with iphone, correct?
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Hondalink supports iPhone and Android devices. On iPhone it currently supports USB and Bluetooth connectivity, while for Android it's currently Bluetooth only. It should work on iPads too but they are looking into developing a separate app to directly support the iPad's increased screen real estate.
I know the android Pandora app now supports a "Bluetooth for automotive" mode (an aftermarket stereo I recently installed in my S2000 has it) but I'm not sure if it's implemented in the Accord yet. I will ask.
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TonyEX
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Jeff wrote:
CarGuyLee wrote:
Will this be for iphone users only or will this feature work with other phones? The pandora part of the new Accord will only work with iphone, correct?
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Hondalink supports iPhone and Android devices. On iPhone it currently supports USB and Bluetooth connectivity, while for Android it's currently Bluetooth only. It should work on iPads too but they are looking into developing a separate app to directly support the iPad's increased screen real estate.
I know the android Pandora app now supports a "Bluetooth for automotive" mode (an aftermarket stereo I recently installed in my S2000 has it) but I'm not sure if it's implemented in the Accord yet. I will ask.
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AHM better start supporting Android over USB... it's a much better platform. They should accept downloading of "hosting" apps from Android phones...
IMHO, someday (five to seven years at most) we'll look at today's in car entertainment firmware based systems the same way we look at in car cell phones (remember the early 90s?).
This will also start the demise of the close systems (aka Apple) as distributed firmware and software take over.
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TonyEX
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Oh, I forgot to add that with the large screens in the newer smart phones you might as plug it direclty into the AUX input and drive the audio from the phone while the NAVI does the driving... specially as the new NAVI has traffic.
OTOH, the smart phones are not hobbled by the stupid attorneys at AHM so you can use all of their features while you drive.
I think we'll buy the TSX.. it has not been hobbled as the Si...
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Teamhondaguy
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Android is not supported because there is no standard on this sorry mismatch of a platform. Few devices use the current os and there is little incentive for car companies or hardware suppliers to invest time and money because there is a good chance they will be obsolete next month. Apple on the other hand has supported their dock connector and APIs for over a decade now. So it supports not only the iPhone and IPad but ever iPod as well.
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TonyEX
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Teamhondaguy wrote:
Android is not supported because there is no standard on this sorry mismatch of a platform. Few devices use the current os and there is little incentive for car companies or hardware suppliers to invest time and money because there is a good chance they will be obsolete next month. Apple on the other hand has supported their dock connector and APIs for over a decade now. So it supports not only the iPhone and IPad but ever iPod as well.
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Where to start....where to start....?? How incredibly wrong and behind the times your comments are.
Android is a standard. The API is standarized.. so all that Honda would have to do is to provide an application that gets downloaded into the android device and voila!
Before you call it "sorry" you should slow down and think a bit. Sounds to me like you are passing judgment based upon your experience with the presentation manager -which is indeed quite different from device to device.. the better to differentiate the products and to use the ever more powerful cores.
To give you a clean example, in my own Ubuntu box at home (apache server) I can run a number of different presentation managers... but the underlying OS and APIs are identical. I can write a number of applications that will run regardless of what front end the user sees. In fact, the application proper will look different if it uses the graphic toolkit.
Apple wise... they hold a lock on everything.. hence it is uniform but it is also extremely conservative, sluggish and expensive.
Not to mention the fact that they are changing their dock style... OMG!
Meanwhile, all Android phones support USB.. difference being micro or mini. Which is a simple thing to change in a docking station. Indeed in most cases it's just a new cable by the user, all the provider needs to do is install a standard USB female connector.
http://www.android.com/
http://www.android-app-market.com/android-architecture.html
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HONDA AFVM
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TonyE wrote:
Jeff wrote:
CarGuyLee wrote:
Will this be for iphone users only or will this feature work with other phones? The pandora part of the new Accord will only work with iphone, correct?
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Hondalink supports iPhone and Android devices. On iPhone it currently supports USB and Bluetooth connectivity, while for Android it's currently Bluetooth only. It should work on iPads too but they are looking into developing a separate app to directly support the iPad's increased screen real estate.
I know the android Pandora app now supports a "Bluetooth for automotive" mode (an aftermarket stereo I recently installed in my S2000 has it) but I'm not sure if it's implemented in the Accord yet. I will ask.
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AHM better start supporting Android over USB... it's a much better platform. They should accept downloading of "hosting" apps from Android phones...
IMHO, someday (five to seven years at most) we'll look at today's in car entertainment firmware based systems the same way we look at in car cell phones (remember the early 90s?).
This will also start the demise of the close systems (aka Apple) as distributed firmware and software take over.
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Here is a strange one...I sold a 2012 CRV to a woman who used to sell Phones for Verizon......She just called me today and said her USB isn't working......I told her to refresh her iPod..she said no......My droid quit working, I can't charge it or upload pix.....I said, the Droid won't do that on Honda's.......She said, I uploaded pix and did all sorts of stuff with it through the USB......now it won't support anything......not even my Nano......
So maybe she blew the system, I told her to google USB/CRV 2012/Android..........
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TonyEX
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
Here is a strange one...I sold a 2012 CRV to a woman who used to sell Phones for Verizon......She just called me today and said her USB isn't working......I told her to refresh her iPod..she said no......My droid quit working, I can't charge it or upload pix.....I said, the Droid won't do that on Honda's.......She said, I uploaded pix and did all sorts of stuff with it through the USB......now it won't support anything......not even my Nano......
So maybe she blew the system, I told her to google USB/CRV 2012/Android..........
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I may have an answer to that. My own iPod froze on me the other day and the TSX's stereo did not recognize it.
Turns out the iPod had frozen. I disconnected it and rebooted it... ('reset' it in AppleLingo)
http://www.wikihow.com/Reboot-an-iPod-Touch
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TSX69
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Any idea if this will work with Symbian?
Thanks
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TonyEX
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TSX69 wrote:
Any idea if this will work with Symbian?
Thanks
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Hmm... I have to look it up in my DEC RSTS-E manuals first...
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Crav4Speed
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No love for us Windows Phone users??? :(
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Husker
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From Honda:
The Accord has always been an exceptional value and the 2013 model will offer more standard equipment compared to the current model, including new advanced technology features. High-tech features that will be found on all 2013 Accord models include Bluetooth®3 HandsFreeLink® phone interface, a full-color intelligent Multi-Information Display (i-MID) and an SMS text messaging function, which can read received texts from compatible cell phones aloud over the audio system. Another standard feature and first for the Accord is the introduction of a Pandora® Internet Radio interface4, compatible with the Apple® iPhone®, which works with the vehicle's audio controls and i-MID.
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TheGandalf
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Husker wrote:
From Honda:
The Accord has always been an exceptional value and the 2013 model will offer more standard equipment compared to the current model, including new advanced technology features. High-tech features that will be found on all 2013 Accord models include Bluetooth®3 HandsFreeLink® phone interface, a full-color intelligent Multi-Information Display (i-MID) and an SMS text messaging function, which can read received texts from compatible cell phones aloud over the audio system. Another standard feature and first for the Accord is the introduction of a Pandora® Internet Radio interface4, compatible with the Apple® iPhone®, which works with the vehicle's audio controls and i-MID.
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Ok so is this Pandora integration be in all trims and HondaLink only be available on the Touring? Or with a bit of luck on all Nav equipped models?
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HONDA AFVM
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TonyE wrote:
TSX69 wrote:
Any idea if this will work with Symbian?
Thanks
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Hmm... I have to look it up in my DEC RSTS-E manuals first...
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She said nothing works off the USB.....won't charge even an iPhone.......nothing........no device.......Never saw that, but most of all, never saw a Droid work off of the USB........
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sbrown23
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Husker wrote:
From Honda:
The Accord has always been an exceptional value and the 2013 model will offer more standard equipment compared to the current model, including new advanced technology features. High-tech features that will be found on all 2013 Accord models include Bluetooth®3 HandsFreeLink® phone interface, a full-color intelligent Multi-Information Display (i-MID) and an SMS text messaging function, which can read received texts from compatible cell phones aloud over the audio system. Another standard feature and first for the Accord is the introduction of a Pandora® Internet Radio interface4, compatible with the Apple® iPhone®, which works with the vehicle's audio controls and i-MID.
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Well that's just retarded. iPhone represents less than 30% of the mobile market. Android is around 50%, yet Honda in their infinite wisdom promotes a feature that is basically useless for half all smartphone users. Never mind all the Blackberry and Windows Phone users that will probably never see any love from Honda.
Great job, Honda. Really in tune with the market there, aren't ya???
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TonyEX
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HONDA AFVM wrote:
TonyE wrote:
TSX69 wrote:
Any idea if this will work with Symbian?
Thanks
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Hmm... I have to look it up in my DEC RSTS-E manuals first...
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She said nothing works off the USB.....won't charge even an iPhone.......nothing........no device.......Never saw that, but most of all, never saw a Droid work off of the USB........
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Yes... Droid's on the Honda USB do not work....
Perhaps... pull the battery off and let it sit that way for an hour or so... then turn everything on and see if it rebooted correctly.
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TSX69
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Guess no Symbian, Windows, Blackberry ...
Honda Ties iPhones, Android Phones into DashBoard
Honda became the latest car maker to jump into the connected car market with its HondaLink infotainment platform. The platform, which is powered by telematics firm Harman International's Aha, works with Apple's (NASDAQ:AAPL) iPhone and Google's (NASDAQ:GOOG) Android operating system.
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TR
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You must be saying this with sarcasm, right?
There's no way anyone nowadays can say that with a straight face.
Android is taking over the world (going to 60% within few months I'd guess) and it's using a world standard USB (it can't get any more "standard-er"! The OS version does not even matter.
iPhone is only 23% and is using a proprietary connector, which by the way is changing with iPhone 5.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/worldwide-market-share-for-smartphones-microsoft-system-trails/2012/07/19/gJQAjRP5vW_story.html
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DrWhiner
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Well, the figure quoted is the latest market share info, right? [How much of the market in the 'latest' year/quarter]
From WashPost:
"Here are the worldwide smartphone unit sales and market share in the first quarter of 2012, by operating system:
Android (Google Inc.) — 81.1 million units, 56.1 percent share (36.4 percent a year earlier)
iOS (Apple Inc.’s iPhone) — 33.1 million units, 22.9 percent share (16.9 percent a year earlier)
Symbian (mostly used by Nokia Corp.) — 12.5 million units, 8.6 percent share (27.7 percent a year earlier)
BlackBerry (Research in Motion Ltd.) — 9.9 million units, 6.9 percent share (13.0 percent a year earlier)
Bada (Samsung Electronics Co.) — 3.8 million units, 2.7 percent share (1.9 percent a year earlier)
Windows (Microsoft Corp.) — 2.7 million units, 1.9 percent share (2.6 percent a year earlier)
Other — 1.2 million units, 0.9 percent share (1.5 percent a year earlier)
Source: Gartner Inc."
It's important to note:
the above reflects, more or less, what's the current fad;
the more imp. figure would be what's the market share of resp. phone OS people are actually using in the U.S.
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TR
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All right, it's roughly 50/30 in USA.
The point is that the focus should be on Android, not Apple, since there are by far more Android devices in USA or the entire world.
It'll happen though... just give it time.
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DrWhiner
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DrWhiner wrote:
... the more imp. figure would be what's the market share of resp. phone OS people are actually using in the U.S.
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Source: StatCounter Global Stats - Mobile OS Market Share
The above, I guess, would better reflect what phone OS people are actually using.
P.S. Can you see my point? The phones currently used in the U.S. should be roughly, the cumulative sales over the past two to three years, not just the latest year or quarter.
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DrWhiner
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One more chart:
Source: StatCounter Global Stats - Mobile OS Market Share
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TurkMan71
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I'm no stat wiz, but wouldn't it be good to know what percentage of Honda owners/potential buyers own or are likely to own an Apple or an Android? Not just the general public...
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TheGandalf
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I would say at this point Honda 's assessement is that there are more current or potential Accord customers with Iphones hence their decision to ensure they support it.
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TonyEX
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DrWhiner wrote:
DrWhiner wrote:
... the more imp. figure would be what's the market share of resp. phone OS people are actually using in the U.S.
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Source: StatCounter Global Stats - Mobile OS Market Share
The above, I guess, would better reflect what phone OS people are actually using.
P.S. Can you see my point? The phones currently used in the U.S. should be roughly, the cumulative sales over the past two to three years, not just the latest year or quarter.
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Cumulative sales over such a long time are irrelevant since most people change phones every other year.
What is important is what people have been buying in the last nine months to a year... that tells you where the market is going.
Looking at people who bought an iPhone three years ago is irrelevant because three years ago there was no real alternative. Who is to say they won't shift to an Android.
And, before you say otherwise... let me tell you my experience. Chez moi we have four smart phones... one iPhone and three Android. My son wanted the iPhone, but his experience compared with our Androids, and his experience with the Apple experience has left him cold... he told me that next go around he's going to Android.
I hardly thing he's unique. The Android experience is like driving a fast car with a great radar detector on the I70 across Utah.
The iPhone experience is like driving the Santa Monica freeway during the rush hour listening to good jazz music.
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Teamhondaguy
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TonyE wrote:
DrWhiner wrote:
DrWhiner wrote:
... the more imp. figure would be what's the market share of resp. phone OS people are actually using in the U.S.
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Source: StatCounter Global Stats - Mobile OS Market Share
The above, I guess, would better reflect what phone OS people are actually using.
P.S. Can you see my point? The phones currently used in the U.S. should be roughly, the cumulative sales over the past two to three years, not just the latest year or quarter.
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Cumulative sales over such a long time are irrelevant since most people change phones every other year.
Looking at people who bought an iPhone three years ago is irrelevant because three years ago there was no real alternative.
The iPhone experience is like driving the Santa Monica freeway during the rush hour listening to good jazz music.
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Fast is bad for integration. Android is inconsistent and terrible for automobile integration because they keep changing direction. Automobiles are developed 4 to 6 years and are updated once every 3 years or redesigned 5-6. This means that since the last time the accord was redesigned, there have been 9 incompatible versions of android that even the hardware that was release weeks before never got to run. Can you imagine the the difficulty of trying to keep up with that. So any software they wrote to be compatible with Andriod via usb could be broke 9 times before you release the car and who know how many times before you do a redesign. So they would need to have the customer come in to update their radio to be compatible. Or maybe it might work with this phone but not a thousand other ones. While on the other hand, Apple has a program built around the use of their iPod doc connector that is on every IOS device. They work with the manufactures to make sure it works as advertised with out issue. It has worked the same since 2003. Chaos with Android or Consistency with IOs. From the iPod nano to iPhone to iPad, they all work the same. Android has no compatible program so Bluetooth will continue to be the only way to access it.
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Teamhondaguy
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TurkMan71 wrote:
I'm no stat wiz, but wouldn't it be good to know what percentage of Honda owners/potential buyers own or are likely to own an Apple or an Android? Not just the general public...
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The general public likes things to just work. The problem with Android there is little consistency. Android has no program like Apple's MFi (made for idevice) developer program offering the "hardware connectors and components that are required to manufacture iPod, iPhone, iPad, and AirPlay audio accessories. And access the iPod Accessory protocol specification, the communication protocol used to interact with iPod, iPhone, and iPad." This also provides technical support from Apple as well. This has been in place for a over twice as long as Android has existed but while Android has change direction with each update, this interaction has been safe for car companies to invest their time into. Each idevice has an iPod built in which is what this integration is all about. Apple has done the heavy lifting so they only have to integrate it. Google has no interest in this since this will not help them get more data for their ad network. If the customer has an iPhone, iPod or iPad it will work. On Android the car companies would have to write software to support numerous versions of android to access the music and media via USB. Bluetooth works because there is an audio profile implemented in its spec. Not because of anything Google developed or designed into Android.
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Teamhondaguy
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TonyE wrote:
Jeff wrote:
AHM better start supporting Android over USB... it's a much better platform. They should accept downloading of "hosting" apps from Android phones...
This will also start the demise of the close systems (aka Apple) as distributed firmware and software take over.
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Android would have to start by providing the API and consistent program. They would have to guarantee to the car makers that they wouldn't break this software every 6 months when they update their devices. The so called Apple closed system is a widely license protocol that insures consistent and predictable behavior from millions of devices. There is no way to determine which Android devices would actually work with thousands of models with different equipment and OS versions as well as carrier modifications that can easily break or remove features. Apples program was introduced in 2003 and still works today. It takes to long design a car to depend on flaky software because it is in vogue. Remember Microsoft's play4sure was going to be better for the same reason you mention. Where is it now?
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TonyEX
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Teamhondaguy wrote:
Fast is bad for integration. Android is inconsistent and terrible for automobile integration because they keep changing direction. Automobiles are developed 4 to 6 years and are updated once every 3 years or redesigned 5-6. This means that since the last time the accord was redesigned, there have been 9 incompatible versions of android that even the hardware that was release weeks before never got to run. Can you imagine the the difficulty of trying to keep up with that. So any software they wrote to be compatible with Andriod via usb could be broke 9 times before you release the car and who know how many times before you do a redesign. So they would need to have the customer come in to update their radio to be compatible. Or maybe it might work with this phone but not a thousand other ones. While on the other hand, Apple has a program built around the use of their iPod doc connector that is on every IOS device. They work with the manufactures to make sure it works as advertised with out issue. It has worked the same since 2003. Chaos with Android or Consistency with IOs. From the iPod nano to iPhone to iPad, they all work the same. Android has no compatible program so Bluetooth will continue to be the only way to access it.
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Jeez, it's not so hard. As I noted earlier, all the auto manufacturers need to do is to write a 'bridge' application for the phones. T his app will take all the changing stuff and implement an invariant data transfer over USB to the agnostic in car firmware.
I mean, it would not even have to be the car manufacturer... just the vendors themselves. And, after all, the vendors themselves are already writing firmware.
If we had a million flavors of phones, then I'd agree with you, but there likely no more than three major phone OSs: Apple, Android and Windows.. and then there are some variations thereof... so you could hire two software developers full time to support the effort...
Simple.
Already done elsewhere.
Time for the automakers to wake up.
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