DeuxCrx
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I followed a 2nd gen Insight sporting New Jersey plates in to work this morning. Found it interesting that on a car at most about two years old, that 5 LED's were burned-out or otherwise inoperable on the Insight's LH taillight when the brakes were applied.
Really Honda? That's the sort of component quality that we've expected and frequently seen on the domestic makes, especially GM cars. I've seen LOTS of CHMSL's with burned-out LED segments, and the industry standard for individual LED elements is SUPPOSED to be a minimum of 100,000 hrs (11.4 years of continuous duty). The individual LED's are either burning-out or the inter-LED wiring connectivity is failing (that's my guess on this Insight, as it was the LH bottom corner of the taillight that was out as a unit, not a scattering of elements).
So, not only is Honda now installing cheap-looking interiors, but they've progressed to installing lighting components that either are using sub-par LED's or integrate wiring connections that can't survive even the 3-yr std warranty period without failing.
And people wonder why I still have a '91 CRX Si (212K+ miles). At least I can (cheaply) replace the bulbs when they burn-out. Even incandescents last longer than that.
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superchg2
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DeuxCrx wrote:
So, not only is Honda now installing cheap-looking interiors, but they've progressed to installing lighting components that either are using sub-par LED's or integrate wiring connections that can't survive even the 3-yr std warranty period without failing.
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Sounds like you are jumping to conclusions, dude. Our 2000 Accord has yet to burn out a single light bulb. Maybe the Insight was in a Flood.
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ClementZ
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Perhaps the guy was in a crash or something and just had the body work repaired. Or perhaps it was a faulty car. All automakers spit a few out every now and then.
And what really is a cheap interior? Lack of soft pleather on everything? Hard plastics?
Honda's been using hard plastics for a while, and only now are they getting slapped because of it.
I understand with other companies now using soft-touch and "expensive" materials (again, what), Honda is expected to do the same.
I just wish there was consistency in opinion and not this "if x has it, y must have it" mentality that is more prevalent to me now than before.
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CivicB18
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So you see 1 Insight that has a few LED's out and automatically assume that Honda as a whole is using bottom tier suppliers? That's a pretty bold statement as anything can malfunction regardless of the brand or supplier.
My 2008 TL's LED's (rear tails, side markers and mirror turn signals) are still performing like they were designed to as the only problem I've had with the car was a shutter that stuck which caused the high beam (drivers side) to stay on high when my HID's were on. Oddly the night before I was going to take it in to get it repaired it started working correctly.
~Patrick
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according2kev
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I hope I don’t sound rude, but your way of thinking just doesn’t seem rational to me. If you were to see Insights on a regular basis with burned out LEDs that would be a different story, but to come to the conclusion that they are using subpar materials based on one vehicle isn’t logical.
The car you saw could very well have a defect from the factory, but as with any car, there will be some people who have various problems, big and small. There are other things to consider (as the OP mentioned) on why the lights are not working. The warranty argument is sort of a moot point considering it’s a hybrid and the person may drive more than average, therefore the lights are in use more. Prime example being your ’91 CRX with 212k+ miles and my ’98 Accord with 231k+ miles.
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FiSH-Chan
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Well, I always thought that if anything on the Insight need to be improved, it is the LED taillights. Never really thought the LED 'dots' look good at night. Not saying they are cheap and crappy either, I have yet to see one that has burn out dots (and my town has PLENTY of Insights for me to see). Maybe in a few years we will see.
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xBeastx
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"Honda now installing GM quality level components?"
That could actually be a compliment. American cars, especially Ford, no longer seem like pieces of junk to me. Same goes for Kia and Hyundai. You can't really call a Honda bad by comparing it to those cars.
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CarPhreakD
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I've got news for you... many of the suppliers for GM also supply components for other OEMs, including Honda. That means everything from powertrain components to plastic trim.
Does it shock you to know that the same 8 speed transmission you find in the Chrysler 300C is used in many BMW and Audi vehicles?
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Restless
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DeuxCrx wrote:
I've seen LOTS of CHMSL's with burned-out LED segments, and the industry standard for individual LED elements is SUPPOSED to be a minimum of 100,000 hrs (11.4 years of continuous duty).
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Do you have idea what statistics and probability is?
With MTBF of INDIVIDUAL element of 11 years, using just 10 individual elements almost guarantees 1 failure on 2nd year of usage
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