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All I care about is that then soften the seats a bit. The seats in the 8th gen were so stiff that they actually gave me back pains when sitting for extended periods on the passenger's side (wasn't my car). I have been driving Hondas for 15 years and have been used to the stiff seats. They changed the material in the 8th gen and they were way stiffer.
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Actually after test driving an 09 Accord for about 15 minutes my back hurt so bad I couldn't consider it further. My back bothered me for two days after the fact. My 09 Ridgeline's Head Restraint is so bothersome I removed it and reversed it.
After reading about these zero gravity seats from a car reviewer, I am seriously considering an Altima as my next vehicle. Keep in mind this in of itself would not be the deciding factor in my purchase but will play a significant role. Bottom line is a significant portion of the overall population take "features" such as overall ride comfort into account when determining which vehicle to purchase.
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TXsalesguy wrote:
Trip wrote:
My last couple of Accords (03 and 06, *not* the 08) had some of the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in, in any car. The bolstering on the torso and thighs was great, very supportive all around. 10 drive from NC to PA was no problem.
The 08's seats were very good except for the head rest tilted too far forward and the power lumbar support was horrible (it felt like a baseball wedged in my back unlike the 7th gen support that supported a much larger area of my back).
The Accord's seats will be fine against the Altima's if Honda addresses the head rests and the lumbar support.
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From the sales side, the headrests are rarely brought up, but I have had a handful of people totally dissatisfied with the headrests. I've maybe lost a couple of sales over it, actually moreso in the 7th generation Civic than any other vehicle... a couple of complaints on 8th generation Accords, but can't say I've lost a sale for this reason. But EVERYONE that has had an issue has been a woman. Nothing demeaning, anecdotal yes, but never, ever in 8 years of selling Hondas have I had a man complain about the headrests.
It is all part of the active head restraint system, higher safety ratings and qualifications, yada, yada.
I believe most men like to drive a little more upright and aware of their surroundings, a little more engaged in the actually act of driving. I personally like my upper torso nicely supported, but from the shoulders up, I don't like being back into the seat. I find the position of being so engulfed in your seat that you would actually place your head on the headrest to be a compromised way to drive a car, not fully engaged, not safe.
My other theory as to why the complaints? I live in Texas and you know about Texas women and big hair....
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I have found that the couple of times I've driven my mom's '07 Civic EX Sedan, when I have the seats set just right, the headrest is absolutely perfect in how it cradles my head and neck. (I believe the new head-restraint regs went into effect before the advent of the 8th-Gen Civics.) (And I don't have to have the seat in "gangsta" position to get that nice fit either.)
If the headrest "fits" me as well on the new Accords, along with a seat that is as good as my 7th-Gen Accord, I'll be a happy camper!
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niko
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I've found that the seats for me felt the same in the 6th gen and 7th gen Accords. Honda changed something in the 8th gen and made them extremely stiff. The thing that sucks is that I didn't notice this on the test drive, but on the first trip we took I felt how stiff they were when my back started hurting.
I only hope they go back to the same material they used in the 6th and 7th gen Accords or I wouldn't even consider it.
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8 gen seats were definitely worse - half of them made me feel I was sitting in a bucket and the backrest is all wrong - support in the wrong places, useless lumbar adjustment. I have had a few customers just get out without even driving it. But that pales compared to the number of complaints from women about the old civic. If you are a short to medium sized woman and have good posture - ie a straight back, then the head restraint is an abomination - forcing you to crane your head down. A ludicrous concession to passive safety. The Accord had the problem too but far less. It could be resolved by fitting the 7 gen head restraints - an absurd measure to take. Thankfully the new civic and crv are far better in this respect - having done away with active head restraints (not actually the problem directly) and moved to a deforming seat back.
CRVs often had the sitting in a bucket issue as well but that problem has gone too. Very few customers mentioned this but I was acutely aware of it. sometimes when brand new it wasnt there - but, even on test drive units, it didnt take long.
Plenty of cars with really bad seats still around - like the Chevy Cruze. Volvos are really good. Many Toyotas have been squishy and horrible. I am looking forward to trying the Altima.
Accommodating all sizes is tough - I had a 4 foot 9 customer Saturday for whom the seat squab on a civic was too long. Whereas lots of tall drivers say it is too short. Impossible to suit everyone.
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... please don't tell me that you just said that this "tech" was backed up by "real" science.
Somewhere, an engineer just committed suicide.
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