dominik331
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TSX69 is taking a well deserved vacation this month and I will try to fill in for him this time with some comparison #s
ILX 1081
Verano 4091
CT 1387
A3 620
TSX 2602
Regal 2326
IS 2572
1series 701
3series 6740
Cclass 6506
A4 3707
G 3923
LaCrosse 7206
CTS 5046
ES 3780
TL 3377
Eclass 5589
5series 5374
GS 2020
A6 1745
M 815
RL 32
Sclass 981
7series 539
LS 476
A8 597
RX 8641
Q5 2780
x3 2825
GLK 2052
RDX 3090
EX 262
Enclave 5207
SRX 4260
MDX 5125
x5 4015
Mclass 2891
JX 2428
Q7 688
GX 808
X6 649
ZDX 63
FX 611
Versa 8746
Sonic 6785
Accent 5660
Fiesta 4589
Yaris 2,007
Rio
Golf
Fit 4584
Mazda 2
Corolla 26647
Civic 27500
Focus 21186
Cruze 18983
Elantra 19,992
Jetta
Mazda3
Sentra 9211
Forte 7461
Impreza
Camry 32107
Accord 28924
Malibu
Fusion 24433
Sonata 20,931
Altima 21812
Chrys200
Avenger
Optima 13393
Passat
Legacy
Mazda6
Kizashi
Impala 17274
Charger
Chrys300
Taurus
Maxima 4605
Avalon 1,768
Azera 1001
Camaro 9123
Mustang 10263
Challenger
Genesis
370z 720
FR-S 2684
BRZ
Prius 19150
CT 1387
Volt 1960
Insight 494
LEAF 535
CR-Z 409
Soul
xB 1869
Cube 711
Outback
Venza 4,210
CrossTour 1826
CR-V 23282
Equinox 20793
Escape 28500
Rav4 15129
Rogue 10999
Explorer 14022
Edge 10259
Sorento 10826
Highlander 10379
Pilot 9959
Murano 4477
Caravan
Town & Country
Odyssey 11275
Sienna
Quest 1997
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dominik331
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Feel free to fill in where needed. I did not have time to find data from all manufacturers.
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TSX69
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Dominiki331: thank you for the list. I was not exactly taking a break as I did compile the list days ago -- I have just grown dismayed by the behavior that has become commonplace on this board so I never posted it as the desire to contribute here has waned lately. Anyhow, since I already made it & only requires a simple cut & paste ...
Verano 4,091
CT 1,387 +477.9%
ILX 1,081; hybrid 115
TSX 2,602 +38.6%; wagon 397 +213.4%
IS 2,572 +51.9%
Regal 2,326 -34.2%
1series 701 +17%
A3 620 +45.5%
LaCrosse 7,206 +20.8%
3series 6,740 -26.4%
Cclass 6,506 +40.8%
CTS 5,046 +20.2%
G 3,923 +48.5%; coupe 1,353 +18.3%
ES 3,780 +68.7%
A4 3,707 -2.7%
TL 3,377 +41.6%
MKZ 3,137 +32.9%
Eclass 5,589 -3.6%
5series 5,374 +23.1%
GS 2,020 +580.1%
A6 1,745 +226.8%
MKS 1,091 -10.1%
M 815 +24.8%
RL 32 -47.8%
Sclass 981 -16.1%
A8 597 -23.9%
7series 539 -0.6%
LS 476 -0.1%
TownCar 80 -91.8%
RX 8,641 +61.9%
RDX 3,090 +178.6%
X3 2,825 +18.3%
GLK 2,052 +6.3%
Q5 1,607 +18.1%
EX 262 -39.4%
Enclave 5,207 +30%
MDX 5,125 +51.9%
SRX 4,260 +7.8%
X5 4,015 +27.2%
Mclass 2,891 -5.9%
JX 2,428
MKX 1,922 +8.5%
GX 808 +39.4%
Q7 688 -18.3%
FX 611 +6.6%
X6 649 +5%
ZDX 63 -41.1%
Versa 8,746 +101.3%
Sonic 6,785
Accent 5,660
Fiesta 4,589 -17.1%
Fit 4,584 -10.1%
Golf 4,092 +23.6%
Rio 3,668
Yaris 2,007 +37.9%
2 938 -13.2%
Civic 27,500 +51.5%; hybrid 548 +26.2%
Corolla 26,647 +36%
Focus 21,186 -.9%
Cruze 18,983 -23.8%
Elantra 17,655
Jetta 13,604 -20.5%
Sentra 9,211 +14%
3 8,835 +2.6%
Forte 7,461
Impreza 5,181 +146.71%
Dart 202
Camry 32,107 +44.6%
Malibu 31,402 +32.3%
Accord 28,924 +84.1%
Fusion 24,433 +17.4%
Altima 21,812 +11.7%
Sonata 20,931
Optima 13,393
200 10,871 +51%
Passat 10,252 +1,025,100%
Legacy 3,894 +12.19%
6 1,410 -28.4%
Impala 17,274 +5.8%
Charger 8,532 +18%
Taurus 6,986 +4.7%
300 6,971 +179%
Maxima 4,605 +1.5%
Avalon 1,768 -21.6%
Azera 1,001
Prius 19,150 +324.9%
Volt 1,760 +213.7%
LEAF 535 -68.7%
Insight 494 -53.4%
CR-Z 409 -59.2%
Mustang 10,263 +16.2%
Camaro 9,123 +7.5%
Challenger 4,009 +18%
Genesis 3,374
FR-S 2,684
BRZ 818
370z 720 +11.8%
Soul 10,199
xB 1,869 +117.4%
Caliber 995 -75%
Cube 711 -45.8%
Veloster 3,232
Juke 3,101 +52.7%
OutBack 9,254 +16.93%
Venza 4,210 +19.8%
CrossTour 1,826 +26%
Escape 28,500 +28%
CR-V 23,282 +44.7%
Equinox 20,793 +15.8%
Rav4 15,129 +60%
Rogue 10,999 +46.8%
Forester 7,233 +32.33%
Patriot 5,590 -4%
CX-5 4,551
Tucson 4,231
Compass 4,070 -15%
Sportage 3,950
Tiguan 2,885 +16.9%
Outlander Sport 1,461 +13%
Explorer 14,022 +34.5%
Grand Cherokee 12,506 +39%
Sorento 10,826
HighLander 10,379 +36.3%
Edge 10,259 +6.2%
Pilot 9,959 +6.1%
Traverse 9,570 +41%
Journey 6,896 +49%
SantaFe 6,703
Murano 4,477 +30.3%
Durango 3,295 -43%
CX-9 1,831 -24.6%
Touareg 794 +74.9%
Tribeca 184 +2.22%
Odyssey 11,275 +50.1%
Caravan 10,901 +1%
Sienna 10,728 +11.5%
Town & Country 9,021 +32%
Flex 3,140 +34.5%
Quest 1,997 +102.9%
Sedona 1,829
Routan 1,057, -.2%
5 1,013 -38.9%
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P54
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Thank you TSX69, I've been looking for you postings since day one. Wondered what happened to your faithfulness. Your comparison sheet was missed. (One of the good things left at TOV :-)
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according2kev
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Yes, thanks to Dominik and TSX69.
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dominik331
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Thanks tsx69, your list is simply awesome.
It's good news for Acura that the Rdx sales continue to rise without affecting Mdx sales a bit.
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98EX4cyl
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P54 wrote:
Thank you TSX69, I've been looking for you postings since day one. Wondered what happened to your faithfulness. Your comparison sheet was missed. (One of the good things left at TOV :-)
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Absolutely agree, one of the best parts of TOV are your news items, review compilations and sales data contributions.
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MalcolmR
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+1 TSX69. Much appreciated.
Thanks Dominik for jumping in.
Malcolm
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auto_enthu
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TSX69, many people including me, wait for your comparison numbers every month. Your contribution is always highly appreciated.
I really hope you will continue to compile and publish the numbers every month.
Thanks a lot.
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danielgr
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98EX4cyl wrote:
P54 wrote:
Thank you TSX69, I've been looking for you postings since day one. Wondered what happened to your faithfulness. Your comparison sheet was missed. (One of the good things left at TOV :-)
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Absolutely agree, one of the best parts of TOV are your news items, review compilations and sales data contributions.
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That said, I can't help but understanding TSX69 lack of enthusiasm for TOV (pun intended)... here is hope he doesn't give up on us, but sure won't blame him if he does...
PS: Thanks to dominick as well, that was a nice and welcomed effort, yet at the same time I couldn't help but thinking "where is the list I'm trully looking for?"
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uneek
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First of all I really appreciate the effort you guys put in to get the figures together and to publish the comparison in an appropriate way.
There is only one think that really annoys me. Its actually the categories you put the different models together. To my mind, and also all german automobile magazines see it like that as well, the categories are as followed:
ILX, Verano, CT, A3, 1series, A-class
TSX, Regal, IS, 3series, C-class, A4, G
LaCrosse, CTS, ES, TL, Eclass, 5series, GS, A6, M, RL
I would really appreciate if you rethink about the categories. I always have to switch the models to the different groups to get a reasonable comparison.
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kidoairaku
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TSX69, as with all things internet related you only hear from the complainers and whiners. Those that appreciate your work (like me) mostly read and avoid posting for obvious reasons.
Your monthly contribution is something I look forward to. One day the Honda enthusiasts that are on this board will take it back and we'll have intelligent conversations again.
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iutodd
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Thank you for the list TSX69.
Interesting to me that the Cruze was down so much. It's down 7.4% for the year and I don't think GM is having production issues. I think people are just finding better alternatives.
Same with the Elantra. It's down 5.4% for the year, I know it's production constrained but the Civic is outselling the Elantra by 65,000 units so far this year. Hyundai has some interesting decisions to make: sell 37-40,000 combined Elantras and Sonatas a month or try to compete with the big boys and sells 56-60,000 combined units (like the Civic/Accord and Camry/Corolla do). You also have to wonder at the choices they are making with production - the 2012 Elantra was Car of the Year...wouldn't they want to up production? I would think that they would want to take the hit in Sonata sales as opposed to Elantra sales.
Also the Prius is unbelievable. Up 90% for the year.
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longhorn
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LIke the new grouping TSX69, makes more sense.
1.Infiniti M only 815 units............where is the criticism of that!!
2. Towncar -80.......Ford is still sellling this car?
3.MDX proof that AHM can build a luxury car and be excepted as such. If the RLX is produced in America than there should be no worries.
3. Civic,numbers don't lie, somewhere in Honda is a product saying , " I told you so". The public has spoken.
4. Camry as 32K, with low incentatives. Impressive, but now the competition will heat up starting this fall. Lets see how strong the Camry brand is.
5. Odysey- Impresive.
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iutodd
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Oh and so much for the ILX stealing TSX sales. I know it's only been one month...but the TSX was up 38% in the first full month of ILX sales.
Compare that to the Verano/Regal. The Regal was down 34%.
Also, and I know cars.com isn't the bible, but they have 2900 ILX's listed nationwide and over 10,000 Verano's. Not surprising that the Verano outsold the ILX by so much.
I think the ILX will jump to about 1500 units in July and just stay there - it might do 2000 a couple of months depending upon the deals and how effective the advertising is. I think Acura would be happy with that as long as the TSX and TL continue their gains over last year. Back in the mid 2000s Acura peaked at around 200,000 units a year (05-07). Through six months this year they are at 72,000 units. I will say though, that Acura hasn't had a June this good (15,370) since June of 2007 so if they keep this 15,000 unit a month thing going they could be looking at 160,000 units for the year.
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dominik331
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iutodd wrote:
Oh and so much for the ILX stealing TSX sales. I know it's only been one month...but the TSX was up 38% in the first full month of ILX sales.
Compare that to the Verano/Regal. The Regal was down 34%.
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If anything, the ILX has made ME appreciate and the TSX even more.
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TSX69
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Automotive Incentives Show Little Movement in June, Reports Edmunds.com
Average True Cost of Incentives(R) (TCI(SM))
by Car Manufacturer
Manufacturer Jun-12 May-12 Jun-11 June 2012 vs May 2012 June 2012 vs June 2011
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Chrysler $2,579 $2,614 $2,601 -1.3% -0.8%
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Ford $2,626 $2,625 $2,707 0.0% -3.0%
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GM $3,282 $3,441 $2,951 -4.6% 11.2%
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Honda $1,395 $1,425 $1,154 -2.1% 20.9%
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Nissan $2,383 $2,462 $2,033 -3.2% 17.2%
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Toyota $1,552 $1,589 $1,731 -2.3% -10.3%
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Industry $2,187 $2,222 $2,204 -1.6% -0.8%
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auto_enthu
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I'm surprised Dodge only sold 202 Darts despite so much hype surrounding it. Not sure if Dart has been available in dealerships only in the last few days.
I'd be interested to see how Dart sells in a full month.
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BalIermd
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uneek wrote:
First of all I really appreciate the effort you guys put in to get the figures together and to publish the comparison in an appropriate way.
There is only one think that really annoys me. Its actually the categories you put the different models together. To my mind, and also all german automobile magazines see it like that as well, the categories are as followed:
ILX, Verano, CT, A3, 1series, A-class
TSX, Regal, IS, 3series, C-class, A4, G
LaCrosse, CTS, ES, TL, Eclass, 5series, GS, A6, M, RL
I would really appreciate if you rethink about the categories. I always have to switch the models to the different groups to get a reasonable comparison.
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Considering it probably takes TSX69 a lot of work to put this list together (although by now I'm sure there is a system in place to do it faster), I don't think it will hurt you to switch these aforementioned models to the proper categories to get the "reasonable" comparison that you desire. I mean really.
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notyper
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I don't buy Edmunds numbers at all TSX69. They're historically way off in their forecasts (look at their TMV numbers - usually way, way high - everytime they go to sell a long term car they can't get anywhere near TMV).
I use Truecar which deals directly with dealers.
http://blog.truecar.com/2012/07/03/honda-and-toyota-with-record-highest-average-transaction-prices-for-second-straight-month-industry-incentives-lower-in-june-according-to-truecar-com/
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jero
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The numbers are off on edmunds.
Per the truecar data, the incentive per unit leader by a vast margin is.. Hyundai/Kia. HALF of what Honda discounts. HALF!
I guess those fleet sales everyone whines about (but are actually probably less than 5% of total sales now) are going for top dolla! LOL
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superchg
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jero wrote:
The numbers are off on edmunds.
Per the truecar data, the incentive per unit leader by a vast margin is.. Hyundai/Kia. HALF of what Honda discounts. HALF!
I guess those fleet sales everyone whines about (but are actually probably less than 5% of total sales now) are going for top dolla! LOL
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jero, per truecar, the incentive per unit is much higher for Honda ($2,314)
than Kia ($1,253) in June 2012,
so wouldn't that make Honda the incentive per unit leader between the two?
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superchg
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TSX69, thanks for your contributions.
Since TOV is an open forum, it's hard to imagine that there will come a day when there are no skirmishes, but please keep up the good work!
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jero
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superchrg... the manufacturer with the least discounting is the winner as they are selling their vehicles closer to MSRP. The goal is to discount as little as possible.
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superchg2
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jero, the manufacturer may win with the least discounting.
But since we are all consumers here, heavier discounting is the winner in terms of what we can purchase a car for, and is reflected in increased Honda's increased sales.
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CarPhreakD
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auto_enthu wrote:
I'm surprised Dodge only sold 202 Darts despite so much hype surrounding it. Not sure if Dart has been available in dealerships only in the last few days.
I'd be interested to see how Dart sells in a full month.
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It only started selling something like a week before the month ended- on top of that, no inventory anywhere, it's just dealer demos.
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notyper
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Jero, I don't think it's appropriate to just look at raw $$ number per car. More important is the percentage of sales price as incentive. Notice that Hyundai's average transaction price is well below the rest of the market. They sell cheap cars. Thus, a smaller incentive can still be a similar percentage of selling price. They're still doing well, but the difference isn't as large as you make it out to be.
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HDNBenjamin
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auto_enthu wrote:
TSX69, many people including me, wait for your comparison numbers every month. Your contribution is always highly appreciated.
I really hope you will continue to compile and publish the numbers every month.
Thanks a lot.
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I feel the same way. I am one of those people you've mentioned. I hope you'll continue to do so, TSX69.
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jero
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Honda average transaction price... $27,055.
Honda average incentive... $2,314.
Honda average discount... 8.6%
Hyundai average transaction price... $22,121
Hyundai average incentive... $1,253
Hyundai average discount... 5.7%
VW average transaction price... $33,368
VW average incentive... $2,485
VW average discount... 7.5%
Toyota average transaction price... $27,910
Toyota average incentive... $1,699
Toyota average discount... 6.1%
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