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Sales almost always start off strong and then taper off. This was not a strong start. My feeling of ILX fail remains strong.
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onetyme_sam
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i wonder if anyone from here that said that this car was perfect for them picked one up.......
i still think it is early to actually determine if it will be a good seller or not, but in my opinion, i have a feeling this car won't do so well.
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330R
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There's a second new owner over at Acurazine now, joining Tyson. A 66 year-old gen-Y guy bought a 2.4 6MT. So both ILXs on Acurazine are from the 5% slice of production volume allowed for the 2.4
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Waldo
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iahs2k wrote:
Sales almost always start off strong and then taper off. This was not a strong start. My feeling of ILX fail remains strong.
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To the the OP: My feeling of troll presence remains strong. Trolls are life failures. I'm just saying.
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jero
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Supply is still ramping up. Sales at the 4th month will be a better indicator IMO.
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Ganplosive
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330R wrote:
There's a second new owner over at Acurazine now, joining Tyson. A 66 year-old gen-Y guy bought a 2.4 6MT. So both ILXs on Acurazine are from the 5% slice of production volume allowed for the 2.4
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To be fair, that's Acurazine so I expected the first ILXs there to be from the performance crop. Just as I'm sure the 118 hybrid owners didn't drive home immediately to register on Acurazine.com. However, it is unsettling like you said that the model Acura shunned the most are the ones making it to the enthusiasts first. A glaring disconnect.
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adrianchew
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Waldo wrote:
To the the OP: My feeling of troll presence remains strong. Trolls are life failures. I'm just saying. |
OP is right... the blind fanatics just will never admit to any wrongdoing. Though the fail is actually not as bad as I thought it might be, but they will totally miss that 40,000 target. The R20 is a joke for a luxury powertrain. The hybrid is just terrible weak.
The K24 is production volume limited, and still you get more car (LSD) in the Civic Si for thousands less if you don't bother with the luxury appointments... and there's no Tech package for it either.
Only time will tell, but the RDX and CR-V both went out the door like gangbusters, and its easy to see why. Its easy to see why the ILX is rather fail too... anyone here buying one?
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gofast182
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330R wrote:
There's a second new owner over at Acurazine now, joining Tyson. A 66 year-old gen-Y guy bought a 2.4 6MT. So both ILXs on Acurazine are from the 5% slice of production volume allowed for the 2.4
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Gen-X folks are barely cracking 60, how could a gen-y guy be that old?
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330R
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gofast182 wrote:
Gen-X folks are barely cracking 60, how could a gen-y guy be that old?
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Because Acura's marketing research and target demographic for the ILX says so. ;)
Dang gofast, the oldest Gen-Xers are almost to 60? I think it's more like 50. In either case I feel old.
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jackal4eva
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I think you guys are disconnected... the car is just started selling and supply is ramping up... I think its too early to make bold statements that are valuable. Besides, the 95% of buyers aren't members here or on Acurazine... And with the naysayers and cynics here, I bet Acura is glad that's the case.
Myself, as a Honda/Acura fan think the ILX is a good car (drove one) and a step in the right direction for the industry and brand.
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atomiclightbulb
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adrianchew wrote:
OP is right... the blind fanatics just will never admit to any wrongdoing. Though the fail is actually not as bad as I thought it might be, but they will totally miss that 40,000 target. The R20 is a joke for a luxury powertrain. The hybrid is just terrible weak. |
The R20 is actually quite a good match for the ILX, because the vehicle is light enough that it doesn't need something more powerful. The torque to weight ratio is nearly identical to the 4-cylinder TSX.
Jeff's own review here at ToV confirms as much:
"The ILX's 2.0L engine is a good match with the standard 5-speed automatic transmission. Shifts are smooth and quick, and the engine feels responsive and lively under foot, providing good torque at low and midrange rpms, and it revs willingly up to its 6700rpm redline. Acura has also done a good job managing NVH (Noise, Vibration, and Harshness) from this powertrain
...according to the trip computer we easily averaged well over 35mpg without really trying."
Source: http://vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=1057682&page_number=2
The hybrid is another matter. I haven't spared Acura any snark over the hybrid.
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iahs2k
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Waldo wrote:
iahs2k wrote:
Sales almost always start off strong and then taper off. This was not a strong start. My feeling of ILX fail remains strong.
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To the the OP: My feeling of troll presence remains strong. Trolls are life failures. I'm just saying.
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it's OK to detach your lips from the Honda sausage. Just saying..... The sense of paid shill is strong with this one.
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rocky
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iahs2k wrote:
Waldo wrote:
iahs2k wrote:
Sales almost always start off strong and then taper off. This was not a strong start. My feeling of ILX fail remains strong.
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To the the OP: My feeling of troll presence remains strong. Trolls are life failures. I'm just saying.
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it's OK to detach your lips from the Honda sausage. Just saying..... The sense of paid shill is strong with this one.
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Wondering how you got from a rating of -1 (troll) to +1 with crap like this thread.
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Colin
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adrianchew wrote:
Waldo wrote:
To the the OP: My feeling of troll presence remains strong. Trolls are life failures. I'm just saying. |
OP is right... the blind fanatics just will never admit to any wrongdoing. Though the fail is actually not as bad as I thought it might be, but they will totally miss that 40,000 target.
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There is a wide range of moderate, sensible people between "Troll" and "Blind Fanatic". The truth is that the pipeline is hardly full of cars at this point. We've sold most of the first two batches to arrive, including each of the 6MT and Hybrid we received. All we have left are 2 Black Tech, and 2 base in dark blue and dark gray. We're going to need a lot more cars if Acura is to hit ~3000 per month.
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adrianchew
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atomiclightbulb wrote:
The R20 is actually quite a good match for the ILX, because the vehicle is light enough that it doesn't need something more powerful. The torque to weight ratio is nearly identical to the 4-cylinder TSX.
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But for the price they're asking for it, the TSX is a much better value. And compared to the competition if people just look at HP numbers, it just looks pathetic bad. The K24 with 5AT would have made the ILX actually decently fast. The TSX has always been a bit under-engined too (until they put in the 3.5L V6 but that wasn't the right fit either for it, a smaller displacement V6 would have worked better).
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Colin
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adrianchew wrote:
atomiclightbulb wrote:
The R20 is actually quite a good match for the ILX, because the vehicle is light enough that it doesn't need something more powerful. The torque to weight ratio is nearly identical to the 4-cylinder TSX.
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But for the price they're asking for it, the TSX is a much better value.
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But that's all a personal 'value judgement'. What if someone would pay more to have a smaller car with equal (arguably better) equipment? What if they want to support an American worker? What if they want better fuel economy than what the TSX can do?
Obviously it's not going to be perfect for all, more so with the enthusiasts on this forum. IMO, this is there to 'catch' the top 10% of Civic buyers who want more than what the mass market Civic offers. So I'm not saying that you're wrong in your opinion (that's personal too) just that there are other points of view as well.
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rocky wrote:
iahs2k wrote:
Waldo wrote:
iahs2k wrote:
Sales almost always start off strong and then taper off. This was not a strong start. My feeling of ILX fail remains strong.
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To the the OP: My feeling of troll presence remains strong. Trolls are life failures. I'm just saying.
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it's OK to detach your lips from the Honda sausage. Just saying..... The sense of paid shill is strong with this one.
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Wondering how you got from a rating of -1 (troll) to +1 with crap like this thread.
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iahs2k, I see you have been out celebrating today. Happy 4th of July to you all!
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Although its too early to say, I have a feeling that ILX fate will be something similar to 1G RDX, ie will fall short of sales targets, will sell at moderate/mediocre levels, but will not be a flop. That situation will likely to continue until MMC and/or ED powertrains are added and make ILX more appealing.
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atomiclightbulb
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adrianchew wrote:
atomiclightbulb wrote:
The R20 is actually quite a good match for the ILX, because the vehicle is light enough that it doesn't need something more powerful. The torque to weight ratio is nearly identical to the 4-cylinder TSX.
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But for the price they're asking for it, the TSX is a much better value.
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The K24 with 5AT would have made the ILX actually decently fast. |
I disagree with you that the TSX is "much better value". The ILX has keyless access/pushbutton start, SMS text messaging, Pandora, i-MID, higher fuel economy, and a rack and pinion system that is arguably better than that of the TSX. While the TSX also has advantages, like a double wishbone front suspension and the option to buy it in Wagon form, I don't think it is clearly better than the ILX.
I do agree with you on the K24+5AT. I think it probably would have been easy for Honda to use the K24 from the Accord EX, and fuel economy would be roughly the same. The Accord EX-L rates 23 City 34 Highway, but weighs 3400 lbs. Losing roughly 400 lbs and having a smaller frontal cross section would probably bump up the rating to something comparable to what the R20 achieves.
superchg2 wrote:
iahs2k, I see you have been out celebrating today. Happy 4th of July to you all!
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It's only a matter of time before iahs2k is banned. I didn't think it was possible for someone to be more asinine than the fanboy 80honda, but I suppose we have proof of that now.
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atomiclightbulb wrote:
adrianchew wrote:
atomiclightbulb wrote:
The R20 is actually quite a good match for the ILX, because the vehicle is light enough that it doesn't need something more powerful. The torque to weight ratio is nearly identical to the 4-cylinder TSX.
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But for the price they're asking for it, the TSX is a much better value.
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The K24 with 5AT would have made the ILX actually decently fast. |
I disagree with you that the TSX is "much better value". The ILX has keyless access/pushbutton start, SMS text messaging, Pandora, i-MID, higher fuel economy, and a rack and pinion system that is arguably better than that of the TSX. While the TSX also has advantages, like a double wishbone front suspension and the option to buy it in Wagon form, I don't think it is clearly better than the ILX.
I do agree with you on the K24+5AT. I think it probably would have been easy for Honda to use the K24 from the Accord EX, and fuel economy would be roughly the same. The Accord EX-L rates 23 City 34 Highway, but weighs 3400 lbs. Losing roughly 400 lbs and having a smaller frontal cross section would probably bump up the rating to something comparable to what the R20 achieves.
superchg2 wrote:
iahs2k, I see you have been out celebrating today. Happy 4th of July to you all!
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It's only a matter of time before iahs2k is banned. I didn't think it was possible for someone to be more asinine than the fanboy 80honda, but I suppose we have proof of that now.
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I don't see how the ILX is better value. SMS only works if you are one of the few people left with a blackberry, Pandora...(what's that) - plenty of other apps that stream and are steering wheel controllable (Rdio?), i-MID...not a lot different from what TSX has, rack and pinion - they both have - and I don't think the ILX's steering is any better/worse than the TSX. Sure some people will prefer the smaller footprint of the ILX and the better gas mileage - but thats not the point. On that basis some people would prefer a Civic over a TSX. Or a Fit. The TSX offers more car for the money than the ILX. IMHO of course. ILX seems to be doing nothing to dent TSX sales either - which are way up on last year - more so than any Acura bar, understandably, the RDX.
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remember that the idea of a sub-TSX went back to early 2010? I guess it is developed to oil-price proof the Acura dealers and the Acura brand.
If the ILX was released about 4-6 months earlier [without the JP quake and Thai flood disruption] when the oil price rushing to 120, the discusion then may be different.
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onetyme_sam
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Colin wrote:
adrianchew wrote:
Waldo wrote:
To the the OP: My feeling of troll presence remains strong. Trolls are life failures. I'm just saying. |
OP is right... the blind fanatics just will never admit to any wrongdoing. Though the fail is actually not as bad as I thought it might be, but they will totally miss that 40,000 target.
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There is a wide range of moderate, sensible people between "Troll" and "Blind Fanatic". The truth is that the pipeline is hardly full of cars at this point. We've sold most of the first two batches to arrive, including each of the 6MT and Hybrid we received. All we have left are 2 Black Tech, and 2 base in dark blue and dark gray. We're going to need a lot more cars if Acura is to hit ~3000 per month.
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by chance do you know if the primary driver of the car will be male or female? like most of the world, the male is the provider but the driver is a different story. just seeing where this car is going exactly.
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A77 wrote:
I don't see how the ILX is better value. SMS only works if you are one of the few people left with a blackberry, Pandora...(what's that) - plenty of other apps that stream and are steering wheel controllable (Rdio?), i-MID...not a lot different from what TSX has, rack and pinion - they both have - and I don't think the ILX's steering is any better/worse than the TSX. Sure some people will prefer the smaller footprint of the ILX and the better gas mileage - but thats not the point. On that basis some people would prefer a Civic over a TSX. Or a Fit. The TSX offers more car for the money than the ILX. IMHO of course. ILX seems to be doing nothing to dent TSX sales either - which are way up on last year - more so than any Acura bar, understandably, the RDX.
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Yea, right now I would rather get a TSX which is comparably equipped to a ILX Premium at very similar prices. But how long will the current TSX live though?
TSX is due for an update/retirement/merge with TL, and then the price to content gap should be more appropriate.
Having said that, I agree with many that $29k for the Premium just seems a little high, but I admit I dont know enough about comparable competition to know how high this price truly is.
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onetyme_sam
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a nice little article by the Consumer Reports about the ILX
http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2012/07/2013-acura-ilx---what-the-civic-should-have-been.html
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atomiclightbulb
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"What the Civic should have been"
I think if the truth ever comes out, it will be that the underpinnings of the ILX were in fact the original 9G Civic's design. I seriously doubt that Honda threw out all the engineering work they did up until Ito ordered a complete re-work of the vehicle in early 2009.
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onetyme_sam
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that is not the part what i find intriguing. that is far fetched to say the least.
what is really interesting that it talked about comparative cars for the price and they even think it is a lot of money for what you get. not what most people say on here that it is a lot for the money. i feel the same as CR about pricing and what the value/dollar on this vehicle is and how you have to really love the compact size to over rule the others like the accord, sonata, verano, or camry. my personal opinion is if you are in the 30k area, go for the tsx. maybe i am just saying that because i own a tsx and i absolutely love the car and how it feels. haven't driven an ILX yet.
i do believe however that it is a start on the right path. i do not think this was executed well. but in honda fashion, that is typical nowadays.
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DrWhiner
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Sales almost always start off strong and then taper off. This was not a strong start. My feeling of ILX fail remains strong.
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OP: strange. How come sales of the CR-V in the last month was almost a quarter more than that when FMC debuted?
/just asking
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onetyme_sam
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DrWhiner wrote:
Sales almost always start off strong and then taper off. This was not a strong start. My feeling of ILX fail remains strong.
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OP: strange. How come sales of the CR-V in the last month was almost a quarter more than that when FMC debuted?
/just asking
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people were warded off because of the italian law was going to make people pay more for super cars but then people realized that we are not in italy and its not a super car.
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DrWhiner
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Get real. It's not about 'super' cars.
Those who know better would think posts like yours just made this forum a laughing stock.
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onetyme_sam
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DrWhiner wrote:
Get real. It's not about 'super' cars.
Those who know better would think posts like yours just made this forum a laughing stock.
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haha your so serious. that was a comment referring to what you said about super cars being taxed heavily and why you shouldn't buy a ferrari or lambo. guess you have no sense of humer.
its almost like a lion picking out the weak gazelle. you make it too easy as well as many others.
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